Went from maybe I'll be playing this game again sometime soon, to never playing again.
It was fun when it was at least somewhat of a challenge, now there's no point.
I get gear to kill monsters faster? When most of my shots one shot most mobs and now they're nerfing them even more.
God this game is so boring.
Thank cheese for Path of Exile!
And the last part of your statement, "find upgrades yourself instead of using AH all the time that people whine about", is just dumbassery as its finest. Blizzard wants you to use the AH as much as possible. They are just tweaking the system to make people use it even more.
How exactly am I more likely to use the AH to buy items if I finally manage to get them drop for me? I haven't bought anything for my mains for over a month. Yesterday I managed to get 4 upgrades drop for me which is pretty good imo.
All I see is inflation of the prices.
You are not majority and neither am I for that matter.
Now, let's say some dude is playing his Wizard and finds an extremely useful glove for monks/DH. He thinks this might be his ticket to a new and better kick-ass wand. so he puts it up on the AH because, instead of giving it to his alt, he wants to finish the game and farm with his Wizard. The price is sky high and it won't sell, so he drops the price until he is able to sell and manages to buy a good wand. A nice little situation that is going to occur several hundred thousand times within the next couple of months.
A stable market with reasonable prices and better items is most likely going to generate more trades.
I may be wrong about all this, but you need to keep in mind that Blizzard's ultimate goal is to make people use the RMAH constantly. Its the way the game was setup to be and they will try and keep it that way until they figure it out or fail completely and just buff up drop rates to a ridiculous amount.
You can use the same situation to counter your argument.
A wizard finds an awesome pair of gloves.
That wizard realizes those pair of awesome gloves are a bigger upgrade then buying any weapon on the AH.
That wizard keeps those gloves and does not even touch/look at the AH. Therefor items and auction house usage will diminish. This will happen hundreds of thousands of times.
@Komie: with increased drop rates dudes will be finding major upgrades for themselves and for other characters. Take the same Wizard example, he found those awesome gloves and kept them. Then he found awesome shoulders and kept them. Then he found awesome gloves again, but not as good as the first pair. What to do?
The same situation can be applied to a number of arguments, we just need to tweak it to our needs.
ITT: Blizz announces changes to the game based largely on customer feedback. Some people love it, some people hate it, a few people are mixed. Semantics arguments, name calling, ego bruising and patting ensue. So pretty much as expected.
For me, I like most of the patch. I can honestly say I don't agree with all the tuning in Inferno but in the long run I think it will be positive. Looking forward to other blogs now. Hopefully it won't be another week before we get the next one.
Every time a patch like this comes out a few Blizzard-haters come back to the forums to tell us how retarded we are because we're playing an "easy" game. I really want to know when Diablo was ever supposed to be hard. I support a model that's more difficult than D2, of course, but even after these "nerfs" D3 will still be more difficult than D2 so I'm very much OK with that. People pining for pre-1.0.3 Inferno can just move on to PoE or whatever else they think is going to be so awesome. It'll be better off for the rest of us.
Every time a patch like this comes out a few Blizzard-haters come back to the forums to tell us how retarded we are because we're playing an "easy" game. I really want to know when Diablo was ever supposed to be hard. I support a model that's more difficult than D2, of course, but even after these "nerfs" D3 will still be more difficult than D2 so I'm very much OK with that. People pining for pre-1.0.3 Inferno can just move on to PoE or whatever else they think is going to be so awesome. It'll be better off for the rest of us.
D3 was supposed to be hard, the dudes themselves promised as much when they announced the game.
As for hating, I'm questioning their decision-making and its effects on the gameplay, sorry to be so hateful towards the love of your life, overly-attached-Blizzard-lover. See? It can go both ways. Now try and keep it constructive.
@Kinch: Ultimate being such a strong word, still leaves plenty of room for other main objectives, such as player satisfaction, which is clearly addressed in this patch.
Regarding the 'challenge' part of your comment, yeah it is a gear-check, but it just makes complete sense with the reality that is Diablo... if you are geared enough, you progress with your eyes closed. If not, you need to have at least adequate gear and rely more on skill. I finished the game with my monk with 27k unbuffed dps, 557 all res, 1.2k LoH, ~23% crit chance, 228% crit damage, 6.2k armor, dual wielding with off-hand being a 441 dps fist. How could I have done it without skill? It was HARD and fun and I spent a ton of gold on repairs and had a couple of nerdragequit moments but in the end the challenge was, to put it simply, fun.
People were firing at off-screen monsters because they couldn't handle them? Go back and farm. That's the nature of the beast. Drops aren't good enough? Oh look, the AH. Don't want to use it? Go back and farm. Don't want to do either? Complain and bitch about it until Blizz saves you.
I'm ranting, sorry, I'm just a bit wound up from work (MOAR CAFFEINE PLZ!1!!11!1), but I think I made my point. Don't mean to diss anybody.
OK, this makes much more sense and is vastly true. I too have had some fun with the challenge and do have mixed feelings about the nerfs. Your last post just sounded a little too much like all the conspiracy theory threads floating around- "Blizzard is creating build diversity just so we want to play again and use the RMAH!!!11"
As I said Blizzard just happens to be in the position of more people playing = more money, which most games face really. Claiming to know what % is the true motivation behind their actions is impossible, and even pretty pointless. "Is this game fun?" is a much better question.
Every time a patch like this comes out a few Blizzard-haters come back to the forums to tell us how retarded we are because we're playing an "easy" game. I really want to know when Diablo was ever supposed to be hard. I support a model that's more difficult than D2, of course, but even after these "nerfs" D3 will still be more difficult than D2 so I'm very much OK with that. People pining for pre-1.0.3 Inferno can just move on to PoE or whatever else they think is going to be so awesome. It'll be better off for the rest of us.
D3 was supposed to be hard, the dudes themselves promised as much when they announced the game.
As for hating, I'm questioning their decision-making and its effects on the gameplay, sorry to be so hateful towards the love of your life, overly-attached-Blizzard-lover. See? It can go both ways. Now try and keep it constructive.
D3 was supposed to be HARDER THAN D2.
That's all they promised.
Keep some perspective.
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It's also possible to question things without insinuating that anyone who supports the changes is some kind of mouthbreather, which is exactly what the "Blizz is just dumbing down the game" comments do. Talk about keeping it constructive, there's not a single thing constructive about just ragging on the game not being fun because it's not uber hard. What about pre-1.0.3 was so amazing that Blizzard didn't pick up on it and felt the need to readjust Inferno difficutly twice already? What do you know that Blizzard doesn't know on the subject?
Maybe we should get the 1-shot Soul Lashers back. Or maybe we need to go back to when everything did so much damage that defensive stats were totally useless? The fact that nerfing Inferno has allowed people to branch out into more abilities and runes, that's horrible. I'm sure all the melee Wiz/WDs would like to be forced to go back to kiting everything off-screen right?
Dude, seriously, there wasn't even a comparison between the games. They said Inferno was insanely difficult and would take months for the average player to complete. Never have they ever said it would just be harder than D2. Look it up.
Every time a patch like this comes out a few Blizzard-haters come back to the forums to tell us how retarded we are because we're playing an "easy" game. I really want to know when Diablo was ever supposed to be hard. I support a model that's more difficult than D2, of course, but even after these "nerfs" D3 will still be more difficult than D2 so I'm very much OK with that. People pining for pre-1.0.3 Inferno can just move on to PoE or whatever else they think is going to be so awesome. It'll be better off for the rest of us.
D3 was supposed to be hard, the dudes themselves promised as much when they announced the game.
As for hating, I'm questioning their decision-making and its effects on the gameplay, sorry to be so hateful towards the love of your life, overly-attached-Blizzard-lover. See? It can go both ways. Now try and keep it constructive.
For a lot of people D3 is "hard". Difficulty is so perfectly subjective and the people who post on a fan forum are probably not the target audience (ie largest business segment) that Blizzard is aiming at. I think they also realized that Inferno was never going to work out as planned. It was supposed to be this option, only for the elite players who want the best of the best and want a "challenge". As soon as a few people broke that system it quickly deteriorated. If I am going to fault them at all for anything it's that the D3 team had blinders on since other Blizz products, namely WoW, handle the casual vs 'hard-core' thing pretty well. IMO Nightmare and Hell should be tuned up and make it so Inferno is basically the "heroic" version of the content. Same drops but better stat distribution. They screwed up and now have to fix it. No matter what they do it won't please everyone and yes it sucks when the solution provided does not match the one you had in your mind.
Also, it's a tad ironic to call someone out for their nonconstructive behavior but precede it with a completely nonconstructive name calling session. These forums would be so much better if people could make it through posts without personal "critiques".
Also, it's a tad ironic to call someone out for their nonconstructive behavior but precede it with a completely nonconstructive name calling session. These forums would be so much better if people could make it through posts without personal "critiques".
The irony is that you didn't get the irony in the first place.
Also, it's a tad ironic to call someone out for their nonconstructive behavior but precede it with a completely nonconstructive name calling session. These forums would be so much better if people could make it through posts without personal "critiques".
The irony is that you didn't get the irony in the first place.
The real irony is that you weren't being ironic and made the decision to then make another nonconstructive post that does nothing more than continue a pointless back and forth.
Actually the real real irony is that I continued to be nonconstructive regardless. The circle of irony must continue though. /LionKingMusic.
The real irony is that you weren't being ironic and made the decision to then make another nonconstructive post that does nothing more than continue a pointless back and forth.
How was I not being ironic? I even exaggerated for effect and called the dude an overly attached lover based on a single comment.
Mixed reactions from the announcements as expected. Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. Here's to hoping other areas of the game improve enough to make it worthwhile, right now I'm having a tough time trying to stay motivated to play a game I care a lot about. I've had my fair share of enjoyment and still have some occasionally, like progressing through NM on my WD trying to see how many monsters I can kill with a single Locust Swarm.
Also, it's a tad ironic to call someone out for their nonconstructive behavior but precede it with a completely nonconstructive name calling session. These forums would be so much better if people could make it through posts without personal "critiques".
The irony is that you didn't get the irony in the first place.
The real irony is that you weren't being ironic and made the decision to then make another nonconstructive post that does nothing more than continue a pointless back and forth.
The truth of the matter is that this thread started with a blatent whine, it's no shock that it's already devolving to whatever it is. Why should anyone listen to a guy who is calling 1.0.4 a patch for the "lazy and whiney?" Fuck him. That's total bullshit. That's not someone who wants to have an open discussion about anything, it's someone who wants to take a dig at people to make him feel better about himself or some other shit. Maybe Dr. Phil can help with that, I don't know.
Like I said, I'm OK with people saying they don't want Inferno nerfed. But I'm not with the passive-aggressive bullshit where they phrase it in such a way that anyone who doesn't agree with them is very subtly implied to be a baddie. Every time someone comes in and says "dumbing down" it implies that anyone who is for the nerf is dumb or a bad player or both. It's perfectly OK to express ones opinion, but doing so with such venom and doing it in such a veiled yet derogatory manner is ridiculous.
So I stand by my post, constructive or not. This thread probably should be locked and the OP infracted for trolling. He definitely made the initial post with the intent to start an fight and to talk shit on other people.
Tou-fucking-ché. A different kind, but you got me there nonetheless.
@devast95: crap is not selling on the AH, so they needed to buff up both their revenues and player's satisfaction. Facilitating access to better drop rates (aka nerfing Inferno once again) will make for more and better items for the players and for the AH, thus increasing supply and bringing down prices. This may not be a long-term situation, but will most likely happen in the near future.
We will probably see a rapid inflation with players being overjoyed with what they find that should decrease and stabilize rather fast.
SO....in other words....no matter what they do to improve the game some nutsack tinhat hater is going to contrive to spin it into a conspiracy theory revolving around the RMAH?
FINALLY, I'm starting to see it. How this game may yet rise from the ashes and one day, a few years from now, we will be laughing at how so many thought this game was dead at launch.
I love the changes in the notes. All good and so much promise for the future.
The real irony is that you weren't being ironic and made the decision to then make another nonconstructive post that does nothing more than continue a pointless back and forth.
How was I not being ironic? I even exaggerated for effect and called the dude an overly attached lover based on a single comment.
Mixed reactions from the announcements as expected. Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. Here's to hoping other areas of the game improve enough to make it worthwhile, right now I'm having a tough time trying to stay motivated to play a game I care a lot about. I've had my fair share of enjoyment and still have some occasionally, like progressing through NM on my WD trying to see how many monsters I can kill with a single Locust Swarm.
I was just making a joke. All in good sport, hopefully. If you are down on the game take a break. You know we have at least a few weeks before 1.04 and some good stuff is coming up. GW2 and also Darksiders 2 is out on Tuesday. I am fully planning to play that and will be shelving D3 for a few weeks. Not directed at you specifically but I don't get why it's so hard for people to just go do other things when whatever it is their doing is not enjoyable anymore. Obviously I am talking about recreational activities.
+1 to the WD thing. I hope they do good stuff to them because I miss my WD, but he is simply not fun to play in the current state.
It is a valid analysis of their business model and the way the company is trying to succeed. FUCK LOGIC.
Because a company trying to make money is "evil", didn't you know that? Everything they do should be charitable and they should always prioritize their customers over making money... until they go out of business of course, but at least they did the "right" thing.
@Mutilate: Guess I'm pretty pissed today from non-Diablo shit to see playfulness, my bad. As for the break thing, I'm already doing it. I started playing 2-3h every day and gradually reduced to 1h/day on purpose to maintain interest. But I want to keep playing. I guess I was just venting by being frustrated that the game was going in a weird direction, and thus making me lose interest. Also, played my first 5v5 LoL game yesterday. Kinda meh.
I myself was an advocate of the 'take a break if you don't like the game anymore', I just never thought it would happen to me. I rotate among activities frequently to avoid losing interest in something I love doing. I just don't see how I'll fit Diablo now and that's a bummer, because if you don't see some kind of fulfillment in the future, what's the point of doing it now?
Plan now is to play sporadically and wait and see if PvP will be any good.
@Mutilate: Guess I'm pretty pissed today from non-Diablo shit to see playfulness, my bad. As for the break thing, I'm already doing it. I started playing 2-3h every day and gradually reduced to 1h/day on purpose to maintain interest. But I want to keep playing. I guess I was just venting by being frustrated that the game was going in a weird direction, and thus making me lose interest. Also, played my first 5v5 LoL game yesterday. Kinda meh.
I myself was an advocate of the 'take a break if you don't like the game anymore', I just never thought it would happen to me. I rotate among activities frequently to avoid losing interest in something I love doing. I just don't see how I'll fit Diablo now and that's a bummer, because if you don't see some kind of fulfillment in the future, what's the point of doing it now?
Plan now is to play sporadically and wait and see if PvP will be any good.
No worries man. Hopefully something in one of the other blogs will pique your interest and you can come on back down the road. If not, such is life. Don't let it get you down and hopefully your IRL stuff gets sorted out too.
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It was fun when it was at least somewhat of a challenge, now there's no point.
I get gear to kill monsters faster? When most of my shots one shot most mobs and now they're nerfing them even more.
God this game is so boring.
Thank cheese for Path of Exile!
You can use the same situation to counter your argument.
A wizard finds an awesome pair of gloves.
That wizard realizes those pair of awesome gloves are a bigger upgrade then buying any weapon on the AH.
That wizard keeps those gloves and does not even touch/look at the AH. Therefor items and auction house usage will diminish. This will happen hundreds of thousands of times.
See?
The same situation can be applied to a number of arguments, we just need to tweak it to our needs.
Every time a patch like this comes out a few Blizzard-haters come back to the forums to tell us how retarded we are because we're playing an "easy" game. I really want to know when Diablo was ever supposed to be hard. I support a model that's more difficult than D2, of course, but even after these "nerfs" D3 will still be more difficult than D2 so I'm very much OK with that. People pining for pre-1.0.3 Inferno can just move on to PoE or whatever else they think is going to be so awesome. It'll be better off for the rest of us.
D3 was supposed to be hard, the dudes themselves promised as much when they announced the game.
As for hating, I'm questioning their decision-making and its effects on the gameplay, sorry to be so hateful towards the love of your life, overly-attached-Blizzard-lover. See? It can go both ways. Now try and keep it constructive.
OK, this makes much more sense and is vastly true. I too have had some fun with the challenge and do have mixed feelings about the nerfs. Your last post just sounded a little too much like all the conspiracy theory threads floating around- "Blizzard is creating build diversity just so we want to play again and use the RMAH!!!11"
As I said Blizzard just happens to be in the position of more people playing = more money, which most games face really. Claiming to know what % is the true motivation behind their actions is impossible, and even pretty pointless. "Is this game fun?" is a much better question.
D3 was supposed to be HARDER THAN D2.
That's all they promised.
Keep some perspective.
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It's also possible to question things without insinuating that anyone who supports the changes is some kind of mouthbreather, which is exactly what the "Blizz is just dumbing down the game" comments do. Talk about keeping it constructive, there's not a single thing constructive about just ragging on the game not being fun because it's not uber hard. What about pre-1.0.3 was so amazing that Blizzard didn't pick up on it and felt the need to readjust Inferno difficutly twice already? What do you know that Blizzard doesn't know on the subject?
Maybe we should get the 1-shot Soul Lashers back. Or maybe we need to go back to when everything did so much damage that defensive stats were totally useless? The fact that nerfing Inferno has allowed people to branch out into more abilities and runes, that's horrible. I'm sure all the melee Wiz/WDs would like to be forced to go back to kiting everything off-screen right?
For a lot of people D3 is "hard". Difficulty is so perfectly subjective and the people who post on a fan forum are probably not the target audience (ie largest business segment) that Blizzard is aiming at. I think they also realized that Inferno was never going to work out as planned. It was supposed to be this option, only for the elite players who want the best of the best and want a "challenge". As soon as a few people broke that system it quickly deteriorated. If I am going to fault them at all for anything it's that the D3 team had blinders on since other Blizz products, namely WoW, handle the casual vs 'hard-core' thing pretty well. IMO Nightmare and Hell should be tuned up and make it so Inferno is basically the "heroic" version of the content. Same drops but better stat distribution. They screwed up and now have to fix it. No matter what they do it won't please everyone and yes it sucks when the solution provided does not match the one you had in your mind.
Also, it's a tad ironic to call someone out for their nonconstructive behavior but precede it with a completely nonconstructive name calling session. These forums would be so much better if people could make it through posts without personal "critiques".
The irony is that you didn't get the irony in the first place.
The real irony is that you weren't being ironic and made the decision to then make another nonconstructive post that does nothing more than continue a pointless back and forth.
Actually the real real irony is that I continued to be nonconstructive regardless. The circle of irony must continue though. /LionKingMusic.
How was I not being ironic? I even exaggerated for effect and called the dude an overly attached lover based on a single comment.
Mixed reactions from the announcements as expected. Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. Here's to hoping other areas of the game improve enough to make it worthwhile, right now I'm having a tough time trying to stay motivated to play a game I care a lot about. I've had my fair share of enjoyment and still have some occasionally, like progressing through NM on my WD trying to see how many monsters I can kill with a single Locust Swarm.
The truth of the matter is that this thread started with a blatent whine, it's no shock that it's already devolving to whatever it is. Why should anyone listen to a guy who is calling 1.0.4 a patch for the "lazy and whiney?" Fuck him. That's total bullshit. That's not someone who wants to have an open discussion about anything, it's someone who wants to take a dig at people to make him feel better about himself or some other shit. Maybe Dr. Phil can help with that, I don't know.
Like I said, I'm OK with people saying they don't want Inferno nerfed. But I'm not with the passive-aggressive bullshit where they phrase it in such a way that anyone who doesn't agree with them is very subtly implied to be a baddie. Every time someone comes in and says "dumbing down" it implies that anyone who is for the nerf is dumb or a bad player or both. It's perfectly OK to express ones opinion, but doing so with such venom and doing it in such a veiled yet derogatory manner is ridiculous.
So I stand by my post, constructive or not. This thread probably should be locked and the OP infracted for trolling. He definitely made the initial post with the intent to start an fight and to talk shit on other people.
SO....in other words....no matter what they do to improve the game some nutsack tinhat hater is going to contrive to spin it into a conspiracy theory revolving around the RMAH?
FINALLY, I'm starting to see it. How this game may yet rise from the ashes and one day, a few years from now, we will be laughing at how so many thought this game was dead at launch.
I love the changes in the notes. All good and so much promise for the future.
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It is a valid analysis of their business model and the way the company is trying to succeed. FUCK LOGIC.
I was just making a joke. All in good sport, hopefully. If you are down on the game take a break. You know we have at least a few weeks before 1.04 and some good stuff is coming up. GW2 and also Darksiders 2 is out on Tuesday. I am fully planning to play that and will be shelving D3 for a few weeks. Not directed at you specifically but I don't get why it's so hard for people to just go do other things when whatever it is their doing is not enjoyable anymore. Obviously I am talking about recreational activities.
+1 to the WD thing. I hope they do good stuff to them because I miss my WD, but he is simply not fun to play in the current state.
Because a company trying to make money is "evil", didn't you know that? Everything they do should be charitable and they should always prioritize their customers over making money... until they go out of business of course, but at least they did the "right" thing.
@Mutilate: Guess I'm pretty pissed today from non-Diablo shit to see playfulness, my bad. As for the break thing, I'm already doing it. I started playing 2-3h every day and gradually reduced to 1h/day on purpose to maintain interest. But I want to keep playing. I guess I was just venting by being frustrated that the game was going in a weird direction, and thus making me lose interest. Also, played my first 5v5 LoL game yesterday. Kinda meh.
I myself was an advocate of the 'take a break if you don't like the game anymore', I just never thought it would happen to me. I rotate among activities frequently to avoid losing interest in something I love doing. I just don't see how I'll fit Diablo now and that's a bummer, because if you don't see some kind of fulfillment in the future, what's the point of doing it now?
Plan now is to play sporadically and wait and see if PvP will be any good.
No worries man. Hopefully something in one of the other blogs will pique your interest and you can come on back down the road. If not, such is life. Don't let it get you down and hopefully your IRL stuff gets sorted out too.