Hello everyone, been trying to figure out which legendary gems to use as a Holy Shotgun Crusader and also for the Roland set which I will be trying out once i get all the pieces, I tried it on PTR, which didn't work out very well, didn't have the necessary items.
Here's my crusaders profile --> link Mirinae, Teardrop of the Starweaver (my current and only legendary gem @ rank 25)
Mirinae, Teardrop of the Starweaver crits for up to 120m, that's the highest crit I've seen so far.
Bane of the Powerful and Bane of the Trapped seems to be popular choices. Bane of the Powerful - Bane of the Powerful seems like a solid option, @ Rank 25 the 20% damage buff lasts for 55 seconds, and you have an additional 15% Elite Damage which is always appreciated.
What's the maximum gem rank? if we can make it Rank 90, it would last for 2 minutes, which is very nice.
Bane of the Trapped - Not so sure about Bane of the Trapped, the only "CC" I currently have is Shield Glare, which doesn't last very long, UNTIL the gem reaches Rank 25, which will give you a permanent CC for nearby monsters, so until level 25 this gems feels somewhat unreliable.
Gogok of Swiftness - I've also been considering this gem, Gogok of Swiftness, mainly for the cooldown reduction tbh.
Currently I am a few percent low of permanent Akkarat's Champion (about ~5-6%). I am missing CDR on one of my rings.
These are at least the gems I'm considering, what do you guys think? Anyone got better suggestions or ideas?
And also if anyone got some experience with the new Roland set, I would appreciate some information regarding legendary gems for that set as well. (Physical Shield Bash build is currently what I'm aiming for)
If you plan on using the new condem build just level the shit out of the smite gem. it procs like crazy with condem for some reason [compared to heavens fury]
i was torn between bane of power and mirinae, once i get another socket ill use both. Bane dmg is a lot more consistent, but mirinae also gets your +holy% too, and those smites hit hard as hell at gem30+
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gogok's cdr could be interesting, espeically if you get more than the needed amount of CDR from gear plus the gems CD, could possibly put you at a perma stop time=invincibility. or close to it.
but with the 15%AS buff thats gonna drain your wrath even if youre running wrath regen+ emb.of power when. might be hard to keep the buff up.
If you plan on using the new condem build just level the shit out of the smite gem. it procs like crazy with condem for some reason [compared to heavens fury]
i was torn between bane of power and mirinae, once i get another socket ill use both. Bane dmg is a lot more consistent, but mirinae also gets your +holy% too, and those smites hit hard as hell at gem30+
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gogok's cdr could be interesting, espeically if you get more than the needed amount of CDR from gear plus the gems CD, could possibly put you at a perma stop time=invincibility.
but with the 15%AS buff thats gonna drain your wrath even if youre running wrath regen+ emb.of power when. might be hard to keep the buff up.
Well, I am currently using http://www.diablofans.com/builds/50-shotgun-condemn-control, haven't really noticed if the gems procs extra of condemn though.
I currently have Mirinae @ Rank 27, crits for over 100m, but i don't have that much holy % damage.
But I'm leaning towards uprading Bane of the Powerful, just don't have any good rings to put it in right now, even if i remove the 50% CDH, Bane of the Powerful will be a downgrade in damage UNTIL I get it to rank 25 when i get the secondary, and I don't want to lose the 8% CDR on my RoRG either.
If I can keep up 20% CDR @ all times I'll probably end up using even more Provoke and Shield Glare, which replenishes my Wrath too.
Just my 2 cents but.. Wreath of Lightning (I just got it yesterday and played around a bit, nothing conclusive) but it seemed like it was proccing FireStarter from Akarat's Champion. Pretty cool if it actually was proccing it because thats an extra application of it essentially passively (hard to tell if it was tho I wasn't paying much attention lol)
no, you cant replace RoRG, I have a 8cdr Vigilante, tried it, the captain set is way better, the bonus from the set AND the cost reduction is not replaceable by the belt. You lost 2CDR+the cost reduction, when you out of wrath, that means death, cus for shotgun procs 3 of the bean each shot...those LOH is live saving, in solo (unity+SOJ) isnt better than RORG+SOJ in survivablity. Besides if you want to roll CDR on unity, you will loose a lot dps from the stat....Gem wise, it's diminishing above 33 level, melee sux in high level even plus the new gems.
no, you cant replace RoRG, I have a 8cdr Vigilante, tried it, the captain set is way better, the bonus from the set AND the cost reduction is not replaceable by the belt. You lost 2CDR+the cost reduction, when you out of wrath, that means death, cus for shotgun procs 3 of the bean each shot...those LOH is live saving, in solo (unity+SOJ) isnt better than RORG+SOJ in survivablity. Besides if you want to roll CDR on unity, you will loose a lot dps from the stat....Gem wise, it's diminishing above 33 level, melee sux in high level even plus the new gems.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The IAS on RoRG is essentially worthless in a Shotgun build. You're giving up a primary affix of your choice for 2% CDR (effectively 1/4 of an affix) and another affix that you would never put on a piece of gear by choice.
Not only are you statistically better off in my opinion, but this provides the flexibility to switch rings (ie: Unity) without otherwise switching gear.
I'm still gearing up my sader, so I don't know if what I'm saying is true, but instead of using captain set it's possible to use RoRG, Vigilante and Leoric's Crown (with 100% increased gem effect).
no, you cant replace RoRG, I have a 8cdr Vigilante, tried it, the captain set is way better, the bonus from the set AND the cost reduction is not replaceable by the belt. You lost 2CDR+the cost reduction, when you out of wrath, that means death, cus for shotgun procs 3 of the bean each shot...those LOH is live saving, in solo (unity+SOJ) isnt better than RORG+SOJ in survivablity. Besides if you want to roll CDR on unity, you will loose a lot dps from the stat....Gem wise, it's diminishing above 33 level, melee sux in high level even plus the new gems.
I plan to run vigilant belt.. a SoJ + Unity of which neither have CDR and the Swiftness gem... so my CDR is:
This gives my AC a cooldown of 19.4s, 100% up-time. Even if my gem only has half-stacks it's still a 21s cd and given that it's an on-hit effect, hell i've managed to gain all 15 stacks from 1 attack before... The only time stacks drop are when there's a lack of combat and i'll just hit the next pack a couple of times before going into AC.
Explain to me again why RoRG is needed? For solo SoJ + Unity are king, nothing comes close... As for cost reduction don't make me laugh, If your having resource issues you either have to much attack speed or your not managing your valor/provoke very well... The only time resource should be a slight issue is on the RG and even then it's not that bad, certainly not worth optimizing stats for RG.
As for the other gems, Mirinae is pretty much a staple gem for this build and I feel like Powerful is better than Trapped unless your able to get trapped to like rank 50. at rank 30 powerful will have 100% uptime and thus it's 4% damage vs 15% elite damage, not a tough decision if you ask me. At rank 50 trapped has 30% damage at which point I would say it pushes ahead of Powerful as increasing damage increases the effectiveness of elite damage and thus 10% damage > 15% elite damage but this would require you to be doing rank 48+ Grifts.
I feel like we attack to slow for Taeguk to be effective, and the other gems just don't really do anything for us.
Playtested a bit after leveling up the Bane of the Powerful to 25 (I already had a 25 Mirinae).
I love Mirinae for Rift Guardians, where it can add as much as 50% extra DPS when there are no adds on the screen. But after running with BotP it wasn't close. The latter significantly improved my run speed, and had nearly 90% uptime running T6 rifts. I may move to 2 gems soon and Mirinae will definitely be the second, but as much as I love its concept I'll have to stick with BotP for the time being.
what we all need is a holy soj that comes with a socket or 8 cdr straight out. we don't need the str since just having that socket will add to our str assuming you're using finery.
I've read through the following reddit thread, very mixed opinions about the gems >.< (note: some information in this thread is abit old, gems unlocking their secondary @ rank 50 etc.)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo3Crusaders/comments/2c8xl8/what_holy_shotgun_legendary_gems_for_21/
Here's my crusaders profile --> link
Mirinae, Teardrop of the Starweaver (my current and only legendary gem @ rank 25)
Mirinae, Teardrop of the Starweaver crits for up to 120m, that's the highest crit I've seen so far.
Bane of the Powerful and Bane of the Trapped seems to be popular choices.
Bane of the Powerful - Bane of the Powerful seems like a solid option, @ Rank 25 the 20% damage buff lasts for 55 seconds, and you have an additional 15% Elite Damage which is always appreciated.
What's the maximum gem rank? if we can make it Rank 90, it would last for 2 minutes, which is very nice.
Bane of the Trapped - Not so sure about Bane of the Trapped, the only "CC" I currently have is Shield Glare, which doesn't last very long, UNTIL the gem reaches Rank 25, which will give you a permanent CC for nearby monsters, so until level 25 this gems feels somewhat unreliable.
Gogok of Swiftness - I've also been considering this gem, Gogok of Swiftness, mainly for the cooldown reduction tbh.
Currently I am a few percent low of permanent Akkarat's Champion (about ~5-6%). I am missing CDR on one of my rings.
Taeguk - One other gem that could be useful.
Equipped Ring #1 (Unity) - Does not have CDR, if i re-rolll 50% CHD to either a socket OR CDR, I lose A LOT of damage (about 160k profile damage)
Equipped Ring #2 (RoRG) - Has CDR
Rings i keep in my bag --> Extra Ring #1 (SoJ) and Extra Ring #2 (Unity)
These are at least the gems I'm considering, what do you guys think? Anyone got better suggestions or ideas?
And also if anyone got some experience with the new Roland set, I would appreciate some information regarding legendary gems for that set as well. (Physical Shield Bash build is currently what I'm aiming for)
Available Weapons:
Heart Slaughter, possible Roland build weapon
Fate of the Fell which is my current weapon - Armory Link
Mobo: ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce G1 GAMING GTX 970 4GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200MHz 16GB
i was torn between bane of power and mirinae, once i get another socket ill use both. Bane dmg is a lot more consistent, but mirinae also gets your +holy% too, and those smites hit hard as hell at gem30+
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gogok's cdr could be interesting, espeically if you get more than the needed amount of CDR from gear plus the gems CD, could possibly put you at a perma stop time=invincibility. or close to it.
but with the 15%AS buff thats gonna drain your wrath even if youre running wrath regen+ emb.of power when. might be hard to keep the buff up.
I currently have Mirinae @ Rank 27, crits for over 100m, but i don't have that much holy % damage.
But I'm leaning towards uprading Bane of the Powerful, just don't have any good rings to put it in right now, even if i remove the 50% CDH, Bane of the Powerful will be a downgrade in damage UNTIL I get it to rank 25 when i get the secondary, and I don't want to lose the 8% CDR on my RoRG either.
If I can keep up 20% CDR @ all times I'll probably end up using even more Provoke and Shield Glare, which replenishes my Wrath too.
Mobo: ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce G1 GAMING GTX 970 4GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200MHz 16GB
I wholeheartedly disagree. The IAS on RoRG is essentially worthless in a Shotgun build. You're giving up a primary affix of your choice for 2% CDR (effectively 1/4 of an affix) and another affix that you would never put on a piece of gear by choice.
Not only are you statistically better off in my opinion, but this provides the flexibility to switch rings (ie: Unity) without otherwise switching gear.
15% gem
12.5% helm
10% passive
10% weapon
8% belt
8% shoulders
8% gloves
8% shield
This gives my AC a cooldown of 19.4s, 100% up-time. Even if my gem only has half-stacks it's still a 21s cd and given that it's an on-hit effect, hell i've managed to gain all 15 stacks from 1 attack before... The only time stacks drop are when there's a lack of combat and i'll just hit the next pack a couple of times before going into AC.
Explain to me again why RoRG is needed? For solo SoJ + Unity are king, nothing comes close... As for cost reduction don't make me laugh, If your having resource issues you either have to much attack speed or your not managing your valor/provoke very well... The only time resource should be a slight issue is on the RG and even then it's not that bad, certainly not worth optimizing stats for RG.
As for the other gems, Mirinae is pretty much a staple gem for this build and I feel like Powerful is better than Trapped unless your able to get trapped to like rank 50. at rank 30 powerful will have 100% uptime and thus it's 4% damage vs 15% elite damage, not a tough decision if you ask me. At rank 50 trapped has 30% damage at which point I would say it pushes ahead of Powerful as increasing damage increases the effectiveness of elite damage and thus 10% damage > 15% elite damage but this would require you to be doing rank 48+ Grifts.
I feel like we attack to slow for Taeguk to be effective, and the other gems just don't really do anything for us.
I love Mirinae for Rift Guardians, where it can add as much as 50% extra DPS when there are no adds on the screen. But after running with BotP it wasn't close. The latter significantly improved my run speed, and had nearly 90% uptime running T6 rifts. I may move to 2 gems soon and Mirinae will definitely be the second, but as much as I love its concept I'll have to stick with BotP for the time being.
Using the following gems;
Bane of the Powerful.
Gogok of Swiftness.
Mirinae, Teardrop of the Starweaver.
And it works really well right now.
Mobo: ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce G1 GAMING GTX 970 4GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200MHz 16GB