Drugs is an extensively broad subject, so I thought I'd make a topic to discuss a small part of it (or a major one, depending on your own belief systems).
First off, if you knew that person X does drugs (let's say, for example's sake, marijuana), what would be the first thought about him that would pop up in your head?
Same question, but let's say person X does cocaine once every couple of months, regularly smokes marijuana, and takes stuff like acid once every 4 or so months?
What is your opinion on experimenting with drugs in order to broaden someone's horizon, see new things, possibly better one's life, and have a different view on some things?
Would you be willing to try certain drugs, and if yes, which ones?
Do you believe that there actually is a "functional junky", as in someone who has a social life, a job, and a fairly consistent life ?
I think you should be a bit more specific. For all intensive purposes caffeine is a drug. On illegal drugs, I have never taken them. None of my close friends currently do/have that I'm aware of. Undecided on pot, but I think people that take drugs like cocaine are drop kicks.
you sound like a very boring person..
and on topic .. if I go and drink 3 bottles of beer I'l feel more intoxicated than after smoking weed. I've never heard of anyone having a bad experience with weed (other than not liking it) and I've seen myself so many bad experiences with alcohol (and know few people who died from it) I've seen so many times when drunk kids are out on plain sight and no one cares, yet when theres weed involved its such a serious matter.
The sole fact that If I get caught smoking weed or growing a plant for my own consumption wont get me arrested (even though its class B drug in UK) shows that its harmless
Well I'm not a boring person, I just know how to state thing in black & white instead of over-dramatizing them. Also, just because it's legal in the U.K. doesn't make it harmless. A good example of that? It's legal to stone adulterers to death in multiple middle-eastern nations that abide by Sharia law. It's legal, and totally not harmless.
I smoke weed nearly daily, but I've never had to face the fact that I am a criminal, as what I am doing is harming no one. Yeah I commit a crime daily, but who am I offending? The stuff is homegrown, I'm not paying a black market, who am I hurting? The drug companies who'd rather have me eat their synthetic shit with more side effects than benefits, oh yeah. I'm hurting their wallets by curing myself with a plant from my backyard, and that's why they think the drug is so terrible, and that's why they think you should share that opinion. Just know that it's wrong.
You don't have to harm someone in order to be a criminal, just have to be breaking the law.
The law is not directly in sync with any morality. So:
criminal=/=bad person
And you're only a criminal if you get caught.
Nor do you have to make a choice to be a criminal to make a choice about drugs. That is a false statement.
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I have a firm "I'll never do drugs in my life" policy. I know they are not as bad as most people make them look, but I'd rather stay away from them. I have my parents to thank for that.
I may be biased, but most of the weed-smokers I know are pretty stupid. I'm not saying there's a correlation, but I've yet to meet a smoker I find interesting.
There's one guy though, he also uses harder stuff, mainly extasis, and he's one of the most interesting people I know.
The law is not directly in sync with any morality. So:
criminal=/=bad person
And you're only a criminal if you get caught.
Nor do you have to make a choice to be a criminal to make a choice about drugs. That is a false statement.
I never said nor implied that criminal = bad person (since bad implies morals, which are based on personal opinions anyways). Any conclusion anyone came to that I was saying criminal = bad person, is a reflection of their own feelings and in no way my doing.
You know as well as I do it's a crime whether or not you get caught. Thus, you're a criminal even if you don't get caught. Go around raping and murdering people (without getting caught) and tell me you're not a criminal. You won't, or if you do you're insane lol.
You don't first have to make a choice about wanting to be a criminal before you do drugs, but I'm assuming everyone here is old enough to know that it's illegal to do illegal drugs. Once you've reached that conclusion, you're knowingly choosing to be a criminal once you do these drugs. Even if your intent had nothing to do with knowingly breaking the law, and you use illegal drugs, you're still a criminal (and if you know they're illegal, you know what you're doing is a crime).
Just so it's clear, I'm neither denouncing nor condoning either behavior. I'm just giving a unbiased point of view as a citizen (in a country where drugs like marijuana are deemed illegal).
Again you make an assumption about my beliefs. I never said you implied that being a criminal equates to being a bad person.
I merely stated it for clarification for anyone confused by the attachments of the word. Which is what this thread is REALLY about; The history that gets tied to a word is very powerful. The government knows this. That is why propaganda is so powerful on a massive scale.
Yes the action is deemed a crime. However, to be a criminal, one must be caught.
A criminal is not a magical title that can simply be used correctly on anyone you deem to be breaking the law.
"Criminal" is a legal term bound by the law. One does not officially receive the title until convicted of the crime. That is why we have the word "alleged".
Thus, unless caught and legally convicted of a crime, one cannot be labeled as criminal keeping in mind the full scope of meaning for the word.
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There's no need to put a stigma on anything. If you use illegal drugs (marijuana, cocaine, etc) then you're a criminal. Plain and simple.
From that point you ask yourself; "do I want to be a criminal?" (Yes/No) and "do I want to associate with criminals?" (Yes/No)
Easy as pie.
Associating criminality with the use of drugs is an absurd concept, and it is one of the most hypocritical and meaningless prohibitions of all time, no doubt about it. After I'm 18, I simply don't require anyone, higher authority or whatever (eventhough I disagree with the very concept of higher authority, at least with the way it's executed nowadays), to tell me what to do and what to do, what is harmless and what is not. If I can partake in a ritual that puts a single man in charge of an entire continent, why can't I partake in smoking a natural plant, or consuming substances whose origin is natural? How many people has weed killed? LSD? Ecstasy? Mushrooms? Now how many has alcohol killed? Heart medication? Guns? They say that people kill people, not guns. Why not say "irresponsible idiots kill themselves, not drugs" ?
Drugs are bad. The best you can do about it is to not use them, quite simple really, if you think about it.
Have you ever tried drugs? I sincerely and severely doubt that. "someone I know" has tried almost everything. He's not addicted to anything, nor does he ever feel the urge to consume anything. If anything, after a couple of months have passed, he might say "hey, we should do X soon, it'd be cool", then forget about it.
He has tried weed, hash, cocaine, heroin, codeine, LSD, ketamine, and ecstasy. Some he's only tried once and never again, simply because it was just a one time thing, or he didn't like it, other he does on occasion, and other daily (hash/weed). He can honestly say that certain drugs have completely bettered his life and altered his perspective on things, and was an overall essential, integral, and amazing trip. That's pretty much what happens on acid. There's also profound joy, transcendent elation and a sense of oneness (E), feelings regarding ineffable dimensions and life altering visions (ketamine), amazingly vivid closed eye visuals and grand euphoria with deep understanding of things (codeine), and such stuff. If you at least try most stuff once, your life would be better. Acid isn't harmful at all, nor is it at all addictive, and it is something that everyone should take at least once in their life.
I can understand people not wanting to try cocaine, or not wanting to try heroin (which my friend says is utter shit, because he likes visuals more than solely pleasure and euphoria), but things like acid, ecstasy, hash/weed, and such, should be tried, even if only once.
I lost one of my best friends to weed usage, smoking 4 blunts a day for years, dried up his brains and what not
That's goddamn impossible, I'm sorry.
Your friend is probably the only person to die from chronic marijuana usage. If anything, his lungs gave out due to him inhaling, but that's not really because of marijuana; if you hold enough carbon monoxide in your lungs for any amount of time, you're doing constant damage to your lungs. Your lungs don't want that.
When I think of marijuana, I think of a really bored person / a tryhard. I don't think of a "slacker," per se, but I do think that people who just sit around and smoke marijuana all day aren't really doing themselves a favor.
I don't think marijuana is bad (I think it's great despite being off it for 1 1/2 years), but people can use it the wrong way. Using too much of it, in my opinion, is the wrong way to use it.
So, really, the only way "weed" (I really hate calling it that) can really harm you is if you inhale smoke. Using too much will, like any drug, cause dependance. I've never felt dependent upon it and I've probably only smoked like 5 times in my entire life, so maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones that didn't get swallowed alive by the horrors of the Mexican Weed. *buckets of sarcasm*
Edit: And I've never tried anything outside of marijuana. I've never even been drunk. The only thing I'm really interested in trying is DMT. I hear that shit will change your life forever.
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Life is what you make it. It's not MY JOB to judge someone for what they make theirs. That being said, I hang out with someone based on how well I get along with them, not whether they share the same world view as me. And, yes, there are "functional junkies".
Generally it's all about who's in charge: the drugs or the man doing them?
There are plenty of functional human beings consuming various amounts of drugs at various intervals, most commonly possibly weed. Cocaine is kinda clean high-class drug with weaker physical addiction than say, heroin. I wouldn't stigmatize people doing drugs still having a control of their life. But many drugs are never safe, stuff like ecstasy can kill rarely, so ending up with a tag on your toe is a risk any drug user takes.
But on the other hand drugs can really mess one's life and perspective of things. The people whose life is in shambles and they seek recluse in a drug habit, eventually being consumed by it, can be stigmatized in my opinion, just as any people with life control issues.
If you do drugs, just make sure it's not the drugs doing you.
Great way to avoid the potential harm? Avoid the drugs. It's pretty much that simple with most thing you can choose to do or not do, with a possible end result of physical/mental harm.
To me, anyone who just automatically thinks "drugs are bad mmkay" is uneducated. Drugs have unarguably done good things for society. Frances Crick, the guy who won a nobel prize for figuring out the structure of DNA, and therefore let modern genetics come to where it is today, has himself said that he figured it out while under the influence of LSD. Carl Sagan was an outspoken pot-smoker. Many of the most influencial musicians in recent history have been massive drug users (Hendrix anyone?)
That being said, drugs obviously have negative effects on society too. There are junkies and meth addicts who rob people to pay for their addiction. They lead to massive organized crime and drug cartels that commit murder.
I'm not trying to advocate drugs or drug use, but I'm just saying that drugs aren't automatically "BAD". Just like everything else there are good and bad sides to drugs. Drugs don't make you stupid. If you're stupid already, drugs aren't going to make you smarter, you're still going to be stupid. But if you're an intelligent human being, smoking some weed isn't going to automatically turn you into babbling, lazy idiot. Weed has such a negative stigma because most of the imformation you hear about it is negative. And because it's associated with crime, poverty, ghettos and dumb people. A lot of dumb people smoke weed, but it doesn't MAKE you dumb. True, the overwhelming majority of people who use drugs are idiots, but if you think about it, the overwhelming majority of society in general are idiots. Just because a lot of stupid people use drugs doesn't mean the drugs are to blame. Some of the greatest minds of the last century were also outspoken avid drug users.
Again, I'm not advocating using drugs at all, and if you don't use drugs because you're a free-thinking person who chooses not to use them because you personally don't want to, and not just because of negative propaganda, then more power to you. If you do use drugs, great, that's also your choice, and I don't see how your using drugs is negatively affecting me, so why should it bother me? But if you don't use drugs just because you think they're automatically bad because of the negative propaganda people have shoved down your throats I urge you to educate yourself about the reality of drugs, not just what they taught you in the DARE program in 2nd grade. If you think drugs are inherently bad and only stupid people use drugs you're cheating yourself out of valid insights into society, people, and information, and you are not making an educated decision on whether to use them yourself.
I lost one of my best friends to weed usage, smoking 4 blunts a day for years, dried up his brains and what not
That's goddamn impossible, I'm sorry.
Your friend is probably the only person to die from chronic marijuana usage. If anything, his lungs gave out due to him inhaling, but that's not really because of marijuana; if you hold enough carbon monoxide in your lungs for any amount of time, you're doing constant damage to your lungs. Your lungs don't want that.
When I think of marijuana, I think of a really bored person / a tryhard. I don't think of a "slacker," per se, but I do think that people who just sit around and smoke marijuana all day aren't really doing themselves a favor.
I don't think marijuana is bad (I think it's great despite being off it for 1 1/2 years), but people can use it the wrong way. Using too much of it, in my opinion, is the wrong way to use it.
So, really, the only way "weed" (I really hate calling it that) can really harm you is if you inhale smoke. Using too much will, like any drug, cause dependance. I've never felt dependent upon it and I've probably only smoked like 5 times in my entire life, so maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones that didn't get swallowed alive by the horrors of the Mexican Weed. *buckets of sarcasm*
Edit: And I've never tried anything outside of marijuana. I've never even been drunk. The only thing I'm really interested in trying is DMT. I hear that shit will change your life forever.
Generally it's all about who's in charge: the drugs or the man doing them?
There are plenty of functional human beings consuming various amounts of drugs at various intervals, most commonly possibly weed. Cocaine is kinda clean high-class drug with weaker physical addiction than say, heroin. I wouldn't stigmatize people doing drugs still having a control of their life. But many drugs are never safe, stuff like ecstasy can kill rarely, so ending up with a tag on your toe is a risk any drug user takes.
But on the other hand drugs can really mess one's life and perspective of things. The people whose life is in shambles and they seek recluse in a drug habit, eventually being consumed by it, can be stigmatized in my opinion, just as any people with life control issues.
If you do drugs, just make sure it's not the drugs doing you.
The only way ecstasy can kill you is if you panic, don't move, and drink shitloads of water, which would just as well kill you if you weren't on E in the first place due to electrolyte imbalance.
Generally it's all about who's in charge: the drugs or the man doing them?
There are plenty of functional human beings consuming various amounts of drugs at various intervals, most commonly possibly weed. Cocaine is kinda clean high-class drug with weaker physical addiction than say, heroin. I wouldn't stigmatize people doing drugs still having a control of their life. But many drugs are never safe, stuff like ecstasy can kill rarely, so ending up with a tag on your toe is a risk any drug user takes.
But on the other hand drugs can really mess one's life and perspective of things. The people whose life is in shambles and they seek recluse in a drug habit, eventually being consumed by it, can be stigmatized in my opinion, just as any people with life control issues.
If you do drugs, just make sure it's not the drugs doing you.
Great way to avoid the potential harm? Avoid the drugs. It's pretty much that simple with most thing you can choose to do or not do, with a possible end result of physical/mental harm.
Great way to avoid potential harm? Don't drive, fly, or go on a boat, cross the road, take any sort of medication, shave with a razor blade, go to the gym...etc. Not a very liveable lifestyle, I must say.
1. I don't like sneaking around. If it's illegal then you will have to do it secretly... therefore not worth the risk for me. People might say "Oh you'll be fine, they don't care"... but I'm always the guy that gets caught lol.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
1. I don't like sneaking around. If it's illegal then you will have to do it secretly... therefore not worth the risk for me. People might say "Oh you'll be fine, they don't care"... but I'm always the guy that gets caught lol.
Lol@doing drugs secretly.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
Lol@you thinking it's about having a bad life and wanting to alter it or make it better through the use of drugs. That is the most ill conceived naive opinion about drugs, one that is shared by tons of other people, and one that is very annoying. Your mathematician friend is sadly ... not smart. When you smoke weed simply to smoke weed, slack around and act like an idiot, you're the stereotype everyone slaps on people who smoke weed. MANY people smoke weed, go out, accomplish things, and do so even better because it makes you more creative.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
Lol@you thinking you're not in control of your body when you know how much, how, what, where...etc to take drugs. Again, you don't know anything about the subject because you haven't tried any of them, therefore you can't judge, and I'm not blaming you or insulting you by saying so.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
Don't be naive Meph, E is very dangerous and you know it. Maybe not a specific combination of it won't kill you. But you can never be sure about the contents of that pill and it can be fatal.
And it does deplete serotonin in the brain. E is idiotic.
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Don't be naive Meph, E is very dangerous and you know it. Maybe not a specific combination of it won't kill you. But you can never be sure about the contents of that pill and it can be fatal.
And it does deplete serotonin in the brain. E is idiotic.
When the source is constant and you know where it's being made, what's basically in it and its effect, it's pretty safe. E in itself isn't dangerous at all if you take it like, 4 times a year. It's different here than it is in Europe and the US. My friend who just came from London tried cocaine here, and she was shocked at how shit the cocaine in London is. The market over there and in America is waaaaaay bigger, so fucking with drugs is insanely profitable. Here, the population is what, 3-4 million people? How many use, 500,000? That's a huge exaggeration, even. It depletes serotonin..anti anxiety and depression medication fucks up your serotonin system just as much, if not more. You regenerate the serotonin, don't you worry about it. Take it, and I can guarantee it, 100%, your life will change for the better. That's what drugs should be used for, rather than enjoying them, mixing up the trip with your own functional life, and fucking everything up in the process.
1. I don't like sneaking around. If it's illegal then you will have to do it secretly... therefore not worth the risk for me. People might say "Oh you'll be fine, they don't care"... but I'm always the guy that gets caught lol.
Lol@doing drugs secretly.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
Lol@you thinking it's about having a bad life and wanting to alter it or make it better through the use of drugs. That is the most ill conceived naive opinion about drugs, one that is shared by tons of other people, and one that is very annoying. Your mathematician friend is sadly ... not smart. When you smoke weed simply to smoke weed, slack around and act like an idiot, you're the stereotype everyone slaps on people who smoke weed. MANY people smoke weed, go out, accomplish things, and do so even better because it makes you more creative.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
Lol@you thinking you're not in control of your body when you know how much, how, what, where...etc to take drugs. Again, you don't know anything about the subject because you haven't tried any of them, therefore you can't judge, and I'm not blaming you or insulting you by saying so.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
Anyway... onetwo out.
1) If you're intentionally trying to do something illegal without getting caught, aren't you hiding? It doesn't have to be difficult to still be considered hiding.
2) Your implied counter-point of "I know people who smoke weed & still go out and do things" is as legitimate as "I know people who smoke weed and they do nothing but sit & smoke". Either both are legitimate or neither are. Obviously both can't be illegitimate, so they're both correct.
Personally, everyone I know who smokes weed (I guess regularly since I don't know anyone who non-regularly smokes weed) does nothing but sit around in their dark homes and smoke. That's just me though.
3) You can drink, know how much you drink, and still lose control of your body (not necessarily full control, but you have at least MARGINAL less-control than you did while sober).
For some reason I really doubt that while under the affects of alcohol or drugs you're just as in control as you are while sober. I've never smoked weed but I've taken various pills (legal ones of course, I'm no criminal) and I've drank plenty of times.
4) Idiots live in every city. Ummm... wish there was more to say than that... Idiots riot to steal, simple as that.
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First off, if you knew that person X does drugs (let's say, for example's sake, marijuana), what would be the first thought about him that would pop up in your head?
Same question, but let's say person X does cocaine once every couple of months, regularly smokes marijuana, and takes stuff like acid once every 4 or so months?
What is your opinion on experimenting with drugs in order to broaden someone's horizon, see new things, possibly better one's life, and have a different view on some things?
Would you be willing to try certain drugs, and if yes, which ones?
Do you believe that there actually is a "functional junky", as in someone who has a social life, a job, and a fairly consistent life ?
From that point you ask yourself; "do I want to be a criminal?" (Yes/No) and "do I want to associate with criminals?" (Yes/No)
Easy as pie.
Well I'm not a boring person, I just know how to state thing in black & white instead of over-dramatizing them. Also, just because it's legal in the U.K. doesn't make it harmless. A good example of that? It's legal to stone adulterers to death in multiple middle-eastern nations that abide by Sharia law. It's legal, and totally not harmless.
You don't have to harm someone in order to be a criminal, just have to be breaking the law.
criminal=/=bad person
And you're only a criminal if you get caught.
Nor do you have to make a choice to be a criminal to make a choice about drugs. That is a false statement.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I may be biased, but most of the weed-smokers I know are pretty stupid. I'm not saying there's a correlation, but I've yet to meet a smoker I find interesting.
There's one guy though, he also uses harder stuff, mainly extasis, and he's one of the most interesting people I know.
I never said nor implied that criminal = bad person (since bad implies morals, which are based on personal opinions anyways). Any conclusion anyone came to that I was saying criminal = bad person, is a reflection of their own feelings and in no way my doing.
You know as well as I do it's a crime whether or not you get caught. Thus, you're a criminal even if you don't get caught. Go around raping and murdering people (without getting caught) and tell me you're not a criminal. You won't, or if you do you're insane lol.
You don't first have to make a choice about wanting to be a criminal before you do drugs, but I'm assuming everyone here is old enough to know that it's illegal to do illegal drugs. Once you've reached that conclusion, you're knowingly choosing to be a criminal once you do these drugs. Even if your intent had nothing to do with knowingly breaking the law, and you use illegal drugs, you're still a criminal (and if you know they're illegal, you know what you're doing is a crime).
Just so it's clear, I'm neither denouncing nor condoning either behavior. I'm just giving a unbiased point of view as a citizen (in a country where drugs like marijuana are deemed illegal).
I merely stated it for clarification for anyone confused by the attachments of the word. Which is what this thread is REALLY about; The history that gets tied to a word is very powerful. The government knows this. That is why propaganda is so powerful on a massive scale.
Yes the action is deemed a crime. However, to be a criminal, one must be caught.
A criminal is not a magical title that can simply be used correctly on anyone you deem to be breaking the law.
"Criminal" is a legal term bound by the law. One does not officially receive the title until convicted of the crime. That is why we have the word "alleged".
Thus, unless caught and legally convicted of a crime, one cannot be labeled as criminal keeping in mind the full scope of meaning for the word.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Associating criminality with the use of drugs is an absurd concept, and it is one of the most hypocritical and meaningless prohibitions of all time, no doubt about it. After I'm 18, I simply don't require anyone, higher authority or whatever (eventhough I disagree with the very concept of higher authority, at least with the way it's executed nowadays), to tell me what to do and what to do, what is harmless and what is not. If I can partake in a ritual that puts a single man in charge of an entire continent, why can't I partake in smoking a natural plant, or consuming substances whose origin is natural? How many people has weed killed? LSD? Ecstasy? Mushrooms? Now how many has alcohol killed? Heart medication? Guns? They say that people kill people, not guns. Why not say "irresponsible idiots kill themselves, not drugs" ?
Have you ever tried drugs? I sincerely and severely doubt that. "someone I know" has tried almost everything. He's not addicted to anything, nor does he ever feel the urge to consume anything. If anything, after a couple of months have passed, he might say "hey, we should do X soon, it'd be cool", then forget about it.
He has tried weed, hash, cocaine, heroin, codeine, LSD, ketamine, and ecstasy. Some he's only tried once and never again, simply because it was just a one time thing, or he didn't like it, other he does on occasion, and other daily (hash/weed). He can honestly say that certain drugs have completely bettered his life and altered his perspective on things, and was an overall essential, integral, and amazing trip. That's pretty much what happens on acid. There's also profound joy, transcendent elation and a sense of oneness (E), feelings regarding ineffable dimensions and life altering visions (ketamine), amazingly vivid closed eye visuals and grand euphoria with deep understanding of things (codeine), and such stuff. If you at least try most stuff once, your life would be better. Acid isn't harmful at all, nor is it at all addictive, and it is something that everyone should take at least once in their life.
I can understand people not wanting to try cocaine, or not wanting to try heroin (which my friend says is utter shit, because he likes visuals more than solely pleasure and euphoria), but things like acid, ecstasy, hash/weed, and such, should be tried, even if only once.
That's goddamn impossible, I'm sorry.
Your friend is probably the only person to die from chronic marijuana usage. If anything, his lungs gave out due to him inhaling, but that's not really because of marijuana; if you hold enough carbon monoxide in your lungs for any amount of time, you're doing constant damage to your lungs. Your lungs don't want that.
When I think of marijuana, I think of a really bored person / a tryhard. I don't think of a "slacker," per se, but I do think that people who just sit around and smoke marijuana all day aren't really doing themselves a favor.
I don't think marijuana is bad (I think it's great despite being off it for 1 1/2 years), but people can use it the wrong way. Using too much of it, in my opinion, is the wrong way to use it.
So, really, the only way "weed" (I really hate calling it that) can really harm you is if you inhale smoke. Using too much will, like any drug, cause dependance. I've never felt dependent upon it and I've probably only smoked like 5 times in my entire life, so maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones that didn't get swallowed alive by the horrors of the Mexican Weed. *buckets of sarcasm*
Edit: And I've never tried anything outside of marijuana. I've never even been drunk. The only thing I'm really interested in trying is DMT. I hear that shit will change your life forever.
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Great way to avoid the potential harm? Avoid the drugs. It's pretty much that simple with most thing you can choose to do or not do, with a possible end result of physical/mental harm.
That being said, drugs obviously have negative effects on society too. There are junkies and meth addicts who rob people to pay for their addiction. They lead to massive organized crime and drug cartels that commit murder.
I'm not trying to advocate drugs or drug use, but I'm just saying that drugs aren't automatically "BAD". Just like everything else there are good and bad sides to drugs. Drugs don't make you stupid. If you're stupid already, drugs aren't going to make you smarter, you're still going to be stupid. But if you're an intelligent human being, smoking some weed isn't going to automatically turn you into babbling, lazy idiot. Weed has such a negative stigma because most of the imformation you hear about it is negative. And because it's associated with crime, poverty, ghettos and dumb people. A lot of dumb people smoke weed, but it doesn't MAKE you dumb. True, the overwhelming majority of people who use drugs are idiots, but if you think about it, the overwhelming majority of society in general are idiots. Just because a lot of stupid people use drugs doesn't mean the drugs are to blame. Some of the greatest minds of the last century were also outspoken avid drug users.
Again, I'm not advocating using drugs at all, and if you don't use drugs because you're a free-thinking person who chooses not to use them because you personally don't want to, and not just because of negative propaganda, then more power to you. If you do use drugs, great, that's also your choice, and I don't see how your using drugs is negatively affecting me, so why should it bother me? But if you don't use drugs just because you think they're automatically bad because of the negative propaganda people have shoved down your throats I urge you to educate yourself about the reality of drugs, not just what they taught you in the DARE program in 2nd grade. If you think drugs are inherently bad and only stupid people use drugs you're cheating yourself out of valid insights into society, people, and information, and you are not making an educated decision on whether to use them yourself.
Try acid, it will do the job.
The only way ecstasy can kill you is if you panic, don't move, and drink shitloads of water, which would just as well kill you if you weren't on E in the first place due to electrolyte imbalance.
Great way to avoid potential harm? Don't drive, fly, or go on a boat, cross the road, take any sort of medication, shave with a razor blade, go to the gym...etc. Not a very liveable lifestyle, I must say.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
Anyway... onetwo out.
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And it does deplete serotonin in the brain. E is idiotic.
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When the source is constant and you know where it's being made, what's basically in it and its effect, it's pretty safe. E in itself isn't dangerous at all if you take it like, 4 times a year. It's different here than it is in Europe and the US. My friend who just came from London tried cocaine here, and she was shocked at how shit the cocaine in London is. The market over there and in America is waaaaaay bigger, so fucking with drugs is insanely profitable. Here, the population is what, 3-4 million people? How many use, 500,000? That's a huge exaggeration, even. It depletes serotonin..anti anxiety and depression medication fucks up your serotonin system just as much, if not more. You regenerate the serotonin, don't you worry about it. Take it, and I can guarantee it, 100%, your life will change for the better. That's what drugs should be used for, rather than enjoying them, mixing up the trip with your own functional life, and fucking everything up in the process.
1) If you're intentionally trying to do something illegal without getting caught, aren't you hiding? It doesn't have to be difficult to still be considered hiding.
2) Your implied counter-point of "I know people who smoke weed & still go out and do things" is as legitimate as "I know people who smoke weed and they do nothing but sit & smoke". Either both are legitimate or neither are. Obviously both can't be illegitimate, so they're both correct.
Personally, everyone I know who smokes weed (I guess regularly since I don't know anyone who non-regularly smokes weed) does nothing but sit around in their dark homes and smoke. That's just me though.
3) You can drink, know how much you drink, and still lose control of your body (not necessarily full control, but you have at least MARGINAL less-control than you did while sober).
For some reason I really doubt that while under the affects of alcohol or drugs you're just as in control as you are while sober. I've never smoked weed but I've taken various pills (legal ones of course, I'm no criminal) and I've drank plenty of times.
4) Idiots live in every city. Ummm... wish there was more to say than that... Idiots riot to steal, simple as that.