but if the smoke is so bad/annoying/whatever, why are you haunting only the smokers? Lets demonize everyone driving a car too.
Car emmissions are not nearly as damaging as smoke. And you don't really smoke a car emmission, they are dispersed in the athmosphere, while smoke from some pricks smoking out on the street comes right into your nose.
And whenever my mom smokes I just have to keep a few feet away from her.
Snotspill, I'm wondering why you are standing up for smoking cigarettes so much. Does smoking tobacco really give you that much satisfaction or is it the fact that smoking a cigarette calms that nicotine addiction for a little while?
The point we are making is that you aren't just hurting yourself by smoking but you are hurting others too. You could compare it to the car emissions, except at least the things causing the car emissions is doing something useful. Your smoking helps no one but your own addiction which isn't even good for you, and all the tobacco corporations.
You might be saying that your living your life to the fullest by smoking, except I really doubt that smoking a cigarette makes you feel... happy or less bored. It just gives your hand something to do and slows those lovely neurons in your mind that are sparking like crazy because of the nicotine you've been feeding them.
Maybe the fact that the rest of the world is banning cigarettes is a hint that you should try to stop smoking yourself? I bet quitting will make you feel a hell of a lot better about your life after one month without smoking than a lifetime of lighting up.
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Only once they understand will they know what the truth really is.
This is my Tale.
Try making your own Leap Of Faith... You might save more than just your life.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
I really don't see why to keep discussing about this with you. In every single post in this thread you've mentioned your mom. I'm not killing your mother if I'm a smoker. Theres no need to hate smokers if someone dies because of a cancer.
And car emission isn't any safer than cigarette smoke. You just don't smell it.
I don't see where my emotions are. Are you a Scanner or something? I thought they died out. I'm actually stating facts there. You are killing my mother when you smoke because smokers automatically advertise/support smoking which is why I don't like them too much. I can hate smokers all I want because they can make me die of cancer just because I'm standing too close. And that's not an exxageration, yes, ciggarette smoke is that dangerous.
Car emmissions are dispersed. After smoke is dispersed, it's not dangerous, either. And the only place where I remember high concentration of car emmission is New York and no one in their right mind would live in that crappy city.
I don't see where my emotions are. Are you a Scanner or something? I thought they died out. I'm actually stating facts there. You are killing my mother when you smoke because smokers automatically advertise/support smoking which is why I don't like them too much.
The only one killing your mother right now is your mother. People place too much accountability on the tobacco companies if you ask me. It's the consumer's choice whether or not they wish to smoke. And when you're being exposed to your mom's second hand smoke, that is still your mom's fault and not the tobacco company's.
So you can have it one of two ways. We can either say that it is the tobacco company's fault that your mom is slowly killing yourself and that your mom is dumb for letting the tobacco company get to her.
Or we can say that itis not the tobacco company's fault that your mom is slowly killing herself. The plus side to this choice though is that your mom gets to not be dumb because she knows exactly what she's doing to herself and doesn't blame the tobacco company.
True that, and I agree with oyu Siaynoq. But - I still think it's gay (or lame, or whatever you like to say to describe stupid lol) that they do make cigs. It's SO retarded! It is partially there fault still, because they companies are the ones that advertise them and sell them.
...But then again this world would be overpopulated without cigs (not kidding, really)... but that still doesn't make it right.
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"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
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It is tobacco companie's fault beccause they make tobacco... it's fast food's fault that they make fast food. Do you think smoking is a choice? It's not a choice, to most people, not a choice at all.
Uhh... yes it is a choice... lol? I mean if you're talking for people who have to be around smokers, and that kinda is smoking, then yeh you don't really have a choice...
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"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
Smoking belongs to mass opinion, mass opinion determines the opinion of the rest of the mass, if most of the mass smoke, every new member of the mass will smoke until there is an uproar (see Europe) against this particular part of mass control.
There are people who are mass, those who are partially mass, and those who are not mass at all... but, the majority are forced to smoke because they are mass. Mass does not have an opinion, it is controlled by the media. As long as media includes cigaretts, the mass will use it.
But you probably have no idea what the heck am I talking about, so we can stop here.
People may follow the "mass", but it's still their choice.... free will tyvm. You are either going to say "hey I think I'm going to be cool and smoke like the rest of the people" or, "I'm going to be smart and not smoke like most retards"
That right there is called choice my friend... seriously, that's a simple way to explain it and has already been said, there really is no other way to say it, you're just being... no offense, stupid. There is almost always going to be a choice in life. And in this situation, you would have choice...
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"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
It's not always there, chaos. It is in America, thanks to the influences on the media (no smoking ads and so on). In Europe, even less smoke. But in a country where they do have ads and smoking is "supported", more people smoke. How do you explain that, except for media control? Media defines what people will do and how many of them will do it. Not all people have the intelligence to oppose the media, and they are called the mass.
But - I still think it's gay (or lame, or whatever you like to say to describe stupid lol) that they do make cigs. It's SO retarded!
Listen, fella. They make cigarettes to make money. It's neither gay, lame, or stupid. It's just profitable.
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To Sianoq
It is tobacco companie's fault beccause they make tobacco... it's fast food's fault that they make fast food. Do you think smoking is a choice? It's not a choice, to most people, not a choice at all.
So let me get this straight: because something exists, it is that things fault for adversely affecting people's lives?
I make the choice everyday not to smoke. That is my choice as a consumer. It is my choice not to eat fast food. No one is forcing that stuff on me.
You see, you have all the freedom you want not to smoke cigarretes. But if your perception is that you don't have that choice, that it is the tobacco's fault for people smoking just because the tobacco companies exist, then that makes you a weak minded person.
True, cigarettes advertise their products as vigorously as they can. That's because they're trying to make money. But it's up to the consumer to be intelligent enough not to buy products that are bad for them. However, sometimes we know things are bad for us, yet we choose to buy them anyway. But that is still ultimately our choice.
Occasionally, I drink some soda. I know it is not good for me. I know it has no nutrional value, a hefty amount of calories, and is bad for my teeth, but despite all common sense, I'm going to choose to drink that soda anyway. And I love that it is entirely up to me whether or not to do so.
its not like smoking if your near somone, because by law they are outside. that shit goes up in the air jus like the car emmissions. and if its in your house then leave its not that hard.
anyway lets get back to talking about pot.
SMOKE WEED ERADAY!
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DIABLO = DEVIL its not supposed to be a nice game autostats are rediclous lack of pots is not welcome if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
That goes to you too Siyanoq, why smoking makes me stupid?
I think you misunderstood me, guy. I was merely saying that if a person smokes soley because of the tobacco company's existence, and there was no accountability on the smoker, then that is what makes that person dumb.
You choose to smoke. I don't have a problem with that. You don't blame the tobacco companies for your decision, you hold yourself accountable for the decisions you make. So no, I'm certainly not saying for a second that smoking makes you stupid. That would make me a fascist dweeb.
You are not serious are you? This isn't normal anymore.
Equinox, I'm going to ask you a question, and it's not that I'm just trying to be an asshole or something.
You do realize that tobacco and other products are not being forced to you in any way. It IS consumers OWN CHOICE to use the product.
In simple words: You are using the product. The product is not using you.
At first, it's a curstomer choice but after trying for a certain time you're likely to become addicted and it's no longer as simple as stop or continue.
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I make the choice everyday not to smoke. That is my choice as a consumer. It is my choice not to eat fast food. No one is forcing that stuff on me.
Well, I think you're forcing yourself to smoke. It's very hard to a person to accept that they've an addiction that they can't control it.
I think if someone forces me to smoke for at least a month (I mean against my will), It's very likely that I'll continue to smoke no matter how strong my opinion against ciggarrets is.
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If you are saying that I'm a slave to tobacco companies and that I'm a mindless zombie who just needs his cigarette no matter what, then I want to tell something for you.
You can't stop smoking even if your life depends on it. Hell, even if your mother asks you to. That's an addiction, whether you decide if it's a bad one or a good one, it's your call.
Anyway, do whatever you want afterall is really your choice. But somehow I kinda feel superior to people that do drugs, smoke or drink. I'm very complicated!
And whenever my mom smokes I just have to keep a few feet away from her.
The point we are making is that you aren't just hurting yourself by smoking but you are hurting others too. You could compare it to the car emissions, except at least the things causing the car emissions is doing something useful. Your smoking helps no one but your own addiction which isn't even good for you, and all the tobacco corporations.
You might be saying that your living your life to the fullest by smoking, except I really doubt that smoking a cigarette makes you feel... happy or less bored. It just gives your hand something to do and slows those lovely neurons in your mind that are sparking like crazy because of the nicotine you've been feeding them.
Maybe the fact that the rest of the world is banning cigarettes is a hint that you should try to stop smoking yourself? I bet quitting will make you feel a hell of a lot better about your life after one month without smoking than a lifetime of lighting up.
This is my Tale.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
Car emmissions are dispersed. After smoke is dispersed, it's not dangerous, either. And the only place where I remember high concentration of car emmission is New York and no one in their right mind would live in that crappy city.
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
So you can have it one of two ways. We can either say that it is the tobacco company's fault that your mom is slowly killing yourself and that your mom is dumb for letting the tobacco company get to her.
Or we can say that it is not the tobacco company's fault that your mom is slowly killing herself. The plus side to this choice though is that your mom gets to not be dumb because she knows exactly what she's doing to herself and doesn't blame the tobacco company.
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...But then again this world would be overpopulated without cigs (not kidding, really)... but that still doesn't make it right.
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
It is tobacco companie's fault beccause they make tobacco... it's fast food's fault that they make fast food. Do you think smoking is a choice? It's not a choice, to most people, not a choice at all.
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
There are people who are mass, those who are partially mass, and those who are not mass at all... but, the majority are forced to smoke because they are mass. Mass does not have an opinion, it is controlled by the media. As long as media includes cigaretts, the mass will use it.
But you probably have no idea what the heck am I talking about, so we can stop here.
People may follow the "mass", but it's still their choice.... free will tyvm. You are either going to say "hey I think I'm going to be cool and smoke like the rest of the people" or, "I'm going to be smart and not smoke like most retards"
That right there is called choice my friend... seriously, that's a simple way to explain it and has already been said, there really is no other way to say it, you're just being... no offense, stupid. There is almost always going to be a choice in life. And in this situation, you would have choice...
"Cards and flowers on your window, your friends all plead for you to stay,
sometimes beginnings aren't so simple, sometimes goodbye's the only way."
So let me get this straight: because something exists, it is that things fault for adversely affecting people's lives?
I make the choice everyday not to smoke. That is my choice as a consumer. It is my choice not to eat fast food. No one is forcing that stuff on me.
You see, you have all the freedom you want not to smoke cigarretes. But if your perception is that you don't have that choice, that it is the tobacco's fault for people smoking just because the tobacco companies exist, then that makes you a weak minded person.
True, cigarettes advertise their products as vigorously as they can. That's because they're trying to make money. But it's up to the consumer to be intelligent enough not to buy products that are bad for them. However, sometimes we know things are bad for us, yet we choose to buy them anyway. But that is still ultimately our choice.
Occasionally, I drink some soda. I know it is not good for me. I know it has no nutrional value, a hefty amount of calories, and is bad for my teeth, but despite all common sense, I'm going to choose to drink that soda anyway. And I love that it is entirely up to me whether or not to do so.
Siaynoq's Playthroughs
anyway lets get back to talking about pot.
SMOKE WEED ERADAY!
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
You choose to smoke. I don't have a problem with that. You don't blame the tobacco companies for your decision, you hold yourself accountable for the decisions you make. So no, I'm certainly not saying for a second that smoking makes you stupid. That would make me a fascist dweeb.
Siaynoq's Playthroughs
"But you probably have no idea what the heck am I talking about, so we can stop here."
I'm out of this thread.
At first, it's a curstomer choice but after trying for a certain time you're likely to become addicted and it's no longer as simple as stop or continue.
Well, I think you're forcing yourself to smoke. It's very hard to a person to accept that they've an addiction that they can't control it.
I think if someone forces me to smoke for at least a month (I mean against my will), It's very likely that I'll continue to smoke no matter how strong my opinion against ciggarrets is.
You can't stop smoking even if your life depends on it. Hell, even if your mother asks you to. That's an addiction, whether you decide if it's a bad one or a good one, it's your call.
Anyway, do whatever you want afterall is really your choice. But somehow I kinda feel superior to people that do drugs, smoke or drink. I'm very complicated!
Alright lets see you stop, if you think you can show us.