The casual player of D3

  • #1
    This may have been brought up but here goes........

    I think I consider my self a casual player, I play when I get home from work to relax and enjoy a game to get my mind off the real world for a few hours. I have played D2 since before LOD and was tickled pink when D3 was released. But the thing is not much has changed really, you grind for hours to get a slight up grade which is tedious. I don't expect to find great gear hourly, once or twice a week be nice considering I like playing all characters for different play styles and use of a bigger range of items.

    My problem right now is that even tho my highest character is plvl60 I can not find anything that makes this game fun. I am not one of the top elite players who have the best gear and can play in MP10 and have better chances of more legs. I am lucky if I find one or two legs in a whole night of playing. People go on about how easy the game is and legs fall like rain bla bla bla but they are not casual players.

    This game is being catered to elite gamers with end game being for them. I have not done hell fire ring or Pony land because I am simply unable to play on that higher difficulty. The most gold I ever had was 55 mil because of one good item I found (from hundred of hours playing) that will not happen again with auction house closing.

    Don;t get me wrong, I don;t want to come across as bitching or any thing, I like the game and I am looking forward to the upcoming patch and ROS but just wanted to convey what would make the game a little bit more fun/rewarding for the casual player. With the nerf to Bounty rewards now, does that now means grinding bounties to get the final Horodric cache reward?

    I had the chance to play console and was looking forward to the better drops and upgrades but as soon as I got to 60 and finished Inferno I now struggle to find a leg or even one thats an up grade. I can not even play above Hard mode with out being raped.....is this the direction how D3 is going?

    Flame suit on.....flame away
    Only good Demon is a dead Demon!!!
  • #2
    So hardcore players think the game is getting too easy, catering to casuals, won't have enough to do. And casuals think the game is too hard, too difficult to progress, rewards aren't good enough.

    This forum sure is fun.
  • #3
    If there was no beta you wouldn't even know the reward was "nerfed".

    The point is to not make bounties the end-all most effective way to play the game..
  • #4

    So hardcore players think the game is getting too easy, catering to casuals, won't have enough to do. And casuals think the game is too hard, too difficult to progress, rewards aren't good enough.

    This forum sure is fun.


    You mean every forum ^^

    Well, not every one. But most WoW forums sure sound the same.
  • #5
    Just thought I'd chip in; the purpose of diablo 3 is not to make money so you can have BiS gear and roflstomp through mp10; the auction houses created this artificial feel and it came close to ruining the game for me. Thank GOD they will be removed, a little late, but hey, better late.

    No, no, no. The purpose of D3 is to have fun killing monsters. You should not treat it like some mountain to be conquered, or like a chore. Just fucking have fun playing it. Blizz is trying to find the sweetspot to satisfy both hardcore and casual fanbases but that's impossible.

    Sorry kiwi, but you are the minority on this one
  • #6
    I don't think he is the minority. However, you are right about the purpose of D3. But a nice addition to having fun killing demons is finding loot. The main concern I had when I still played was that even if I find a legendary, it will be crap. With crap I don't mean 'not very good', but just full 100% garbage. Luckily the things I have read about RoS make me believe that finding a legendary will actually be more exciting, because they should always be good, the question is: "How good?"

    The main things RoS should have for me are:
    - multiple specs should be competetive (more than 3 for each class)
    - Legendaries should bring an interesting twist to the gameplay, instead of just massive stats.
    - Allowing us to choose what stats we want to use, based on if we like them and not based on whether x is better than y.
  • #7
    At first, I thought this is a serious thread and agreed with you on certain aspects (e.g. loot should be a bit more rewarding etc.) but then I read this:


    I had the chance to play console and was looking forward to the better drops and upgrades but as soon as I got to 60 and finished Inferno I now struggle to find a leg or even one thats an up grade. I can not even play above Hard mode with out being raped.....is this the direction how D3 is going?


    If you are 60, farm Hard mode and do not find any upgrades on Hard mode, this implies that you have Hard mode drops respectively appropriate gear. Meanwhile, I had the chance to play the console version a few times and if you say that - even with a little farming like a few hours as you said - you are unable to play above Hard mode, you are doing something terribly wrong. You do not seem like a casual player; more like a novice. This is not a shame but also not the fault of Diablo. Read class forums and guides. This should help (a lot).
    Bandyto#2350
    EU
  • #8

    Just thought I'd chip in; the purpose of diablo 3 is not to make money so you can have BiS gear and roflstomp through mp10; the auction houses created this artificial feel and it came close to ruining the game for me. Thank GOD they will be removed, a little late, but hey, better late.

    No, no, no. The purpose of D3 is to have fun killing monsters. You should not treat it like some mountain to be conquered, or like a chore. Just fucking have fun playing it. Blizz is trying to find the sweetspot to satisfy both hardcore and casual fanbases but that's impossible.

    Sorry kiwi, but you are the minority on this one


    1 : You can only speak for yourself about what is fun and how the game is "supposed" to be played.

    2 : It's ridiculous to claim that somebody is in a minority when you dont have any numbers to back it up.

    3 : the purpouse of the game is different for everybody.
  • #9


    Just thought I'd chip in; the purpose of diablo 3 is not to make money so you can have BiS gear and roflstomp through mp10; the auction houses created this artificial feel and it came close to ruining the game for me. Thank GOD they will be removed, a little late, but hey, better late.

    No, no, no. The purpose of D3 is to have fun killing monsters. You should not treat it like some mountain to be conquered, or like a chore. Just fucking have fun playing it. Blizz is trying to find the sweetspot to satisfy both hardcore and casual fanbases but that's impossible.

    Sorry kiwi, but you are the minority on this one


    1 : You can only speak for yourself about what is fun and how the game is "supposed" to be played.

    2 : It's ridiculous to claim that somebody is in a minority when you dont have any numbers to back it up.

    3 : the purpouse of the game is different for everybody.


    Hey man, I thought everybody killed ubers or at least did ponyland in one year, my bad if I'm mistaken..

    No, the purpose of the game is not different, it's called entertainment. So either you go pro and stream this for money or you just play the damned thing as a hobby.

    Just read bandyto's post and the word "novice" was the eye-opener for me. So yeah, there's something below casual, and that's novice, and I say that with the best intentions.
  • #10

    Hey man, I thought everybody killed ubers or at least did ponyland in one year, my bad if I'm mistaken..

    You said in your opening post that you did not.

    Just read bandyto's post and the word "novice" was the eye-opener for me. So yeah, there's something below casual, and that's novice, and I say that with the best intentions.


    Novice is not "above" or "below" anything, Novice just means that you are new to the game. "Caslal" is not "below" anything either, it's just a game style. Everybody can enjoy the game the way he gets most entertainement from.
  • #11
    if diablo 3 is a good game... there is no casual player.

    because a good game you wanna play forever.


    ops... its not the case.
  • #12

    if diablo 3 is a good game... there is no casual player.

    because a good game you wanna play forever.


    ops... its not the case.


    If it is not the case, why are you here at a Diablofans forum? Maybe the official forums are better suited for such a comment like yours.
    Bandyto#2350
    EU
  • #13
    OP, after inspecting your WD I am not surprised you can't handle high MP settings.
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KiwiMustang-1841/hero/3538246 Great dps and above average gear yet you lack life steal on your weapon.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, however I don't believe Zombie Dogs Leeching Beasts is going to provide enough sustain.
  • #14

    This may have been brought up but here goes........

    I think I consider my self a casual player, I play when I get home from work to relax and enjoy a game to get my mind off the real world for a few hours. I have played D2 since before LOD and was tickled pink when D3 was released. But the thing is not much has changed really, you grind for hours to get a slight up grade which is tedious. I don't expect to find great gear hourly, once or twice a week be nice considering I like playing all characters for different play styles and use of a bigger range of items.

    My problem right now is that even tho my highest character is plvl60 I can not find anything that makes this game fun. I am not one of the top elite players who have the best gear and can play in MP10 and have better chances of more legs. I am lucky if I find one or two legs in a whole night of playing. People go on about how easy the game is and legs fall like rain bla bla bla but they are not casual players.

    This game is being catered to elite gamers with end game being for them. I have not done hell fire ring or Pony land because I am simply unable to play on that higher difficulty. The most gold I ever had was 55 mil because of one good item I found (from hundred of hours playing) that will not happen again with auction house closing.

    Don;t get me wrong, I don;t want to come across as bitching or any thing, I like the game and I am looking forward to the upcoming patch and ROS but just wanted to convey what would make the game a little bit more fun/rewarding for the casual player. With the nerf to Bounty rewards now, does that now means grinding bounties to get the final Horodric cache reward?

    I had the chance to play console and was looking forward to the better drops and upgrades but as soon as I got to 60 and finished Inferno I now struggle to find a leg or even one thats an up grade. I can not even play above Hard mode with out being raped.....is this the direction how D3 is going?

    Flame suit on.....flame away


    The thing with current D3 is not even the top players can find anything good. Literally one in 5 000 legendaries is sellable. The only people who got insanely rich are flippers/ AH players. Even if you did find an insane legendary (0.00001% chance), you still wouldn't be rich compared to AH flippers. I'll just use my example, I found a 5% Crit Mempo as my 4th Mempo ever, after roughly 1000 hours /played, which earned me 800 million. Which is pocket money for the rich folk, not even enough for one BiS/ nearly BiS item. And the sad thing is, I was luckier than most and many people never find a drop that good even with more time put in the game than me. So don't feel bad, it's just how the game is.
  • #15

    OP, after inspecting your WD I am not surprised you can't handle high MP settings.
    http://us.battle.net...41/hero/3538246 Great dps and above average gear yet you lack life steal on your weapon.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, however I don't believe Zombie Dogs Leeching Beasts is going to provide enough sustain.


    Just checked the profile myself. What a freaking troll...
  • #16

    Just thought I'd chip in; the purpose of diablo 3 is not to make money so you can have BiS gear and roflstomp through mp10; the auction houses created this artificial feel and it came close to ruining the game for me. Thank GOD they will be removed, a little late, but hey, better late.

    No, no, no. The purpose of D3 is to have fun killing monsters. You should not treat it like some mountain to be conquered, or like a chore. Just fucking have fun playing it. Blizz is trying to find the sweetspot to satisfy both hardcore and casual fanbases but that's impossible.

    Sorry kiwi, but you are the minority on this one


    That's the problem, you aren't chasing the carrot. You are eating it. You can't expect people to eat the same carrot over and over again.
  • #17



    I had the chance to play console and was looking forward to the better drops and upgrades but as soon as I got to 60 and finished Inferno I now struggle to find a leg or even one thats an up grade. I can not even play above Hard mode with out being raped.....is this the direction how D3 is going?




    I'm not really sure what to tell you - I have two 60's on the console and they both switched to Master I after completing Hell mode with no trouble. I can't even imagine what your experience is like if you're struggling in Hard.

    After I'd done Inferno (Master I) a few times, the drops did become more sparse, but that's the nature of the game. All players get to that point, and it's just up to you how far you want to go.

    For what it's worth, Easy / Normal / Hard don't have any bonuses associated with them on the console (Master I-V adds MF/GF/EXP bonuses) so if you're having trouble on Hard there's no harm in going back to Normal.
  • #18
    You'll get plenty of legendary drops, however there are going to be a lot you might not see for 400 hours or more. Wyatt was overheard talking about such drop rates at Blizzcon.

    It's a bit like the BotD situation. Everyone wanted it, sure, but what they got in the meantime was pretty great. I wonder which legs dropping like candy in the beta, comprise this uber-rare tier?
  • #19
    You have a paragon 60 character and have played for "hundred[s] of hours". You are not a casual player. That's not a put down, you are just underrating your play a bit.

    Edit: Discussing who and who is not casual is a deep hole of forum discussion that has been around since the early days of WoW. If I had to guess based on those experiences, I would put the casual player as someone who plays a couple hours a week (at most) and has dabbled in Hell difficulty, Inferno if you are really really stretching the definition.

    Things like Adventure Mode that provide goals/rewards for session gameplay (an hour-ish at most) is perfect for this crowd.
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