I see some people are complaining about the Dev saying D3 is a game to play for a while and then you go over to play WOW. Well I see method to their madness...
WOW is a game that you pay to play and pay for each expansion. Diablo is a pay once, (or for the expansions, but thats it) and play as long as you like it. Blizzard doesnt want D3 to last TOO long. Blizzard wants D3 to be a starter drug to get you hooked on WOW. There are many ties between the two, anyway. Kerrigans Wings, Thunderfury, etc. Its all BUSINESS.
Think about it, why do you think they refuse to make D3 offline mode? They can turn off the switch TOMORROW and then D3 is gone forever. Thats one reason why I say Blizzard is power mad and act so condescending to us. They have a god complex, are in COMPLETE control and do what they want, no matter what their customers want. They do not want us to play D3 forever and will one day take it away from us. Support WILL go away one day and the D3 servers WILL be turned off or given new purpose. This isn't D1, this isn't D2, the customers own NOTHING. You can jam D1 or D2 in your machine right now and play it. D3 will stop working one day, even though you have a tangible item you purchased from them. D3 is not YOUR game its theirs, and they see it as a stepping stone to their cash cow, WOW. Its business. Its money. Its them trying to invest in their future, although they do often enrage their customers...
Are you really this thick or is this a ploy for attention?
I believe the dev comment in question was meant to be understood as "D3 is meant to be played in binges, you get burned out and can go play whatever you wish until the desire to play D3 comes back". Of course they dropped their own product name, you goofball. Did you want them to use PoE as an example? C'mon man......grow up.
You took this crap a few steps too far into the realm of nonsense. They refuse to make D3 offline because of all the idiots that would immediately hack and dupe and lay ruin to the games integrity.
"It's a business". No shit.....really? I bet these Blizzard motherfuckers are even making money off us!!!!
"It's a business". No shit.....really? I bet these Blizzard motherfuckers are even making money off us!!!!
I'm going to steal this for my signature. Thank you!
lol.......I can't call it, homie. Can't call it. I don't quite get how Blizzard's existence as a money making entity has anything to do with these such conversations. Blizzard clearly wants D3 to succeed, and if anything, the fact that Blizzard endeavors upon such game creation ventures in order to profit should tell people that Blizz wants the product to be well received.
IMO.......all the dev was trying to do was paint a picture that explains the difference between subscription games and non-subscription games, what people expect from either one and how devs will approach the two differently.
Lol, I see all kinds of rants about people crying over what the devs say and you are saying I am stupid. No kids, the ones crying about Blizzard "forcing" WOW on us are the thick ones. If YOU are so "thick" that you cant figure out who this thread is targeting, then you just need to move on.
Yeah I said all kinds of common sense things here, but apparently it has to be spelled out for some people.
...and then some "thick" people are railing me for stating the obvious cuz they cant figure it out for themselves. .
Lol, I see all kinds of rants about people crying over what the devs say and you are saying I am stupid. No kids, the ones crying about Blizzard "forcing" WOW on us are the thick ones. If YOU are so "thick" that you cant figure out who this thread is targeting, then you just need to move on.
Yeah I said all kinds of common sense things here, but apparently it has to be spelled out for some people.
...and then some "thick" people are railing me for stating the obvious cuz they cant figure it out for themselves. .
Lol, I see all kinds of rants about people crying over what the devs say and you are saying I am stupid. No kids, the ones crying about Blizzard "forcing" WOW on us are the thick ones. If YOU are so "thick" that you cant figure out who this thread is targeting, then you just need to move on.
Yeah I said all kinds of common sense things here, but apparently it has to be spelled out for some people.
...and then some "thick" people are railing me for stating the obvious cuz they cant figure it out for themselves. .
I don't consider myself a relatively "thick" person, but I still can't get to how you are arriving at your conclusions. In my personal experience, D3 was my WoW killer. I quit WoW and switched to D3 because it's a better fit for my life style and I don't feel like I'm losing money if I go 3 weeks without playing it. Actually, the only Blizzard game that I play is D3.
As for ownership, let's take a look at D2 for example. The Battle.net infrastructure that lets you play D2 through battle.net is still up and they are still resetting the leaderboard for seasons. They haven't taken down those old servers after this many years so the game gets supported for a while longer than most people will tend to play it. Have you ever purchased music or movies in itunes? You might be interested to know that you don't actually own that either. You purchased a user license for those songs that doesn't transfer to other individuals. So you don't really own that music either. Also, Apple can pull those apps off their store (and your devices) for any reason they see fit, so you don't really have control over your "property" either.
I can see how you can jump to the conclusion that the developers have a God Complex. They totally adjusted playstyles and set bonuses, weapon damage, consolidated crafting mat drops, added blood shards and gambling, GRifts, adjusted pylons to be more in alignment with each other, added additional affixes to legs that didn't have them, are creating new sets for future patches, are creating legendaries like the Shard of Hate and the new multi-element ring, added legendary gems, and adjusted the elemental types of skills because they purely wanted to do it. It had nothing to do with the thousands of pages of feedback that came into the forums and places like Diablofans where fans had provided constructive criticism and math-based evidence on how these things could impact the game.
Now, Blizzard as a business...
Yes, they are a business.
Yes, they do want to make money.
Yes, they do want to make that money by producing some of the most polished games that are released in the industry.
I see arguments that "we should be mad that Blizzard is trying to take money" as extremely juvenile and naive in structure. Do you get mad at movie production companies, publishers, Netflix, television networks, console manufacturers, or musicians when they try to make a profit off their work? They are other branches of entertainment too that are trying to make money.
The bottom line is that you would not be playing any video game if it didn't make that company money because they wouldn't spend the resources to make the game or improve upon it. Also, cross promotion of their other IP in D3 is a good advertising tactic to bring awareness to their other products. If someone see's Kerrigan's wings, takes a look at StarCraft and wants to play it, then good for that person. If you're like me, I had fun with the vanilla SC game in single player but I suck at it too much to make it in multi-player, so I gave up on it and didn't buy the xpac. I made the choice not to buy the expac. I don't have any interest in playing any of the other Blizzard games at this time, but I will sure as hell buy the next Diablo expac because they have done such a great job with that game.
In the end, I am a grown man who can make his own decisions on how to spend my money and time when I want to be entertained. Blizzard would be doing a poor job as a company if it didn't encourage me to spend more money on their products, but that is not a conspiracy on their end. That's just good business sense.
I'm going to be generous and assume that English is not this guy's first language, and that is why he is so unable to express a coherent thought in it.
Remember that one time when Brian Williams was trapped in the Nakatomi Plaza and he was fighting those terrorists?
I really am using this quote in my footer. Thank you for another gem ruksak.
You can't count on me to say anything smart, but we can all rest assured that I'll come up with something so profoundly stupid that it deserves noting.
Thornagol, clearly you read my post and understood what I was getting at. You seem to be the only one with reading comprehension. btw, I wasnt calling you "thick" I was merely reciprocating.
I think it was an unintentional design. Clearing a 45 rift in 7 mins (bang bang fun action) only to fail the rg boss (zzz) who has 100+bil hp does bring thoughts of mmo into mind. I went back to rift, more fun than wow (played both).
They did a great job with the density in 2.12 but the rift guardians just have too much hit points and are either one shot or immune neck. Im not 800para yet but will probably just consider the rift "great xp" if i get a non poison boss with no shrine now at higher lvls. Its just not fun to fight those guys.
I came to these forums thinking it would be better then the blizzard Diablo 3 forums, with ruksak, I can see both are the same.
To the OP, I think a lot of people are just upset at what was not said at that interview as well as what they did say. But I do agree that Diablo 3 is a game that you play for short bursts, the guy could have prob worded it better to know say wow in it though. But after all they want people to keep playing wow seeing as sub numbers are slowly dropping again.
Overall I do feel Diablo 3 team is prob 90 to 95% of the size it was and most of the workers are moved to something else. I still have for X-pack 2 for D3.
I came to these forums thinking it would be better then the blizzard Diablo 3 forums, with ruksak, I can see both are the same.
Whoa there cowboy......don't you come in here with your 2 posts and pretend to know me or my history. Yes, I can be abrasive when encountering foolish posts/threads, but I have a history here that goes well beyond the occasional angry response.
I wasn't very receptive to the OP because his post reeks of Bnet fodder, "we" don't like conspiracy theories and baseless accusations being sussed out from an offhand comment made by a dev during a Tavern Talk session. What exactly do you think the response is going to be when someone makes comments like these;
"Blizzard wants D3 to be a starter drug to get you hooked on WOW."
"Think about it, why do you think they refuse to make D3 offline mode?"
"They have a god complex, are in COMPLETE control and do what they want, no matter what their customers want. They do not want us to play D3 forever and will one day take it away from us."
"D3 is not YOUR game its theirs, and they see it as a stepping stone to their cash cow, WOW."
These are nonsense statements that offer nothing of value. What was said in the Tavern Talk (comment regarding WoW) was simply the dev explaining the different philosophies between a subscription game versus a non-subscription game, and of course, he used their own brand (WoW) as an example while doing so.
As I said, this is NOT Bnet, and here's what I mean; If this thread is posted on Bnet, it gets lots of support from the droves of angry, angst ridden kids giving a +1 and jumping on the Blizz-hate bandwagon. You'll find people here FAR less tolerant of ignorant, baseless accusations being launched.
If this was posted @Bnet, it gets support. You don't believe me?
There, in the cesspool we call Bnet, this poorly written rubbish is "Highly Rated". Here, @ Diablofans, you're gonna get grilled and asked numerous questions when you post such tripe. We don't support Blizz-hate blindly here, we are far more critical in our thinking when approached with such silly ideas. I hope you understand and I hope you stick around. This is truly the best resource for D3 info, opinion, and discussion on the web. You're just going to have to understand that threads need to have some thought put to them or else the veteran members here are going to rip your post apart.
Thornagol, clearly you read my post and understood what I was getting at. You seem to be the only one with reading comprehension. btw, I wasnt calling you "thick" I was merely reciprocating.
Would you change your opinion if I told you that he adamantly disagrees with you? Because.....he does disagree with you. He does not support your ideas at all, as he clearly described in his posts here.
I actually liked how many aspects of WoW were implemented in D3. At least in the vanilla version.
Also the boss fights that actually feel like boss fights with different stages etc, that was all really great when it came out. Killing Belial for the first time way back then, with his different phases and his (slightly) changing location, I was really hoping that Blizzard got it right.
Unfortunately that was not what the players wanted though... Think of it, in WoW you had a real progress system. With heroic raids so difficult that the majority of the players never saw them. That's what Inferno difficulty was originally intended to be. The spirit of the entire vanilla concept was to actually challenge players. And we all know how well that went from the WoW Expansion Cataclysm where they originally came out with really really challenging instances and raids and their player numbers dropped to the lowest count since WoW release... Since then it's back to easy casual friendly grind games.
I actually liked how many aspects of WoW were implemented in D3. At least in the vanilla version.
Also the boss fights that actually feel like boss fights with different stages etc, that was all really great when it came out. Killing Belial for the first time way back then, with his different phases and his (slightly) changing location, I was really hoping that Blizzard got it right.
Unfortunately that was not what the players wanted though... Think of it, in WoW you had a real progress system. With heroic raids so difficult that the majority of the players never saw them. That's what Inferno difficulty was originally intended to be. The spirit of the entire vanilla concept was to actually challenge players. And we all know how well that went from the WoW Expansion Cataclysm where they originally came out with really really challenging instances and raids and their player numbers dropped to the lowest count since WoW release...
I've always found myself in the dark with these WoW/D3 comparisons. I've never played WoW, not for even a second, so I have to take people's word for it.
Since then it's back to easy casual friendly grind games.
Personally, I do not care for the "casual" moniker. I find it falls short of properly describing the user-friendly approach that Blizzard takes toward these complex games. A good replacement for the term "casual gamer" would be "average gamer", and when you're in the business of selling video games, you would do well to appease the common denominator, the average gamer.
Not that I support this, not that I think it's right, but I have ask; What is the difference between the average gamer and the casual gamer? Nothing much that I can see.
I came to these forums thinking it would be better then the blizzard Diablo 3 forums, with ruksak, I can see both are the same.
To the OP, I think a lot of people are just upset at what was not said at that interview as well as what they did say. But I do agree that Diablo 3 is a game that you play for short bursts, the guy could have prob worded it better to know say wow in it though. But after all they want people to keep playing wow seeing as sub numbers are slowly dropping again.
Overall I do feel Diablo 3 team is prob 90 to 95% of the size it was and most of the workers are moved to something else. I still have for X-pack 2 for D3.
like I said, he didnt read my post, he just went troll and started going on about me and then did the same to you. he claims he hates those Bnet trolls, but seems to act like one here.
I see some people are complaining about the Dev saying D3 is a game to play for a while and then you go over to play WOW. Well I see method to their madness...
WOW is a game that you pay to play and pay for each expansion. Diablo is a pay once, (or for the expansions, but thats it) and play as long as you like it. Blizzard doesnt want D3 to last TOO long. Blizzard wants D3 to be a starter drug to get you hooked on WOW. There are many ties between the two, anyway. Kerrigans Wings, Thunderfury, etc. Its all BUSINESS.
Think about it, why do you think they refuse to make D3 offline mode? They can turn off the switch TOMORROW and then D3 is gone forever. Thats one reason why I say Blizzard is power mad and act so condescending to us. They have a god complex, are in COMPLETE control and do what they want, no matter what their customers want. They do not want us to play D3 forever and will one day take it away from us. Support WILL go away one day and the D3 servers WILL be turned off or given new purpose. This isn't D1, this isn't D2, the customers own NOTHING. You can jam D1 or D2 in your machine right now and play it. D3 will stop working one day, even though you have a tangible item you purchased from them. D3 is not YOUR game its theirs, and they see it as a stepping stone to their cash cow, WOW. Its business. Its money. Its them trying to invest in their future, although they do often enrage their customers...
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/pantherdane-1591/hero/39933784
Are you really this thick or is this a ploy for attention?
I believe the dev comment in question was meant to be understood as "D3 is meant to be played in binges, you get burned out and can go play whatever you wish until the desire to play D3 comes back". Of course they dropped their own product name, you goofball. Did you want them to use PoE as an example? C'mon man......grow up.
You took this crap a few steps too far into the realm of nonsense. They refuse to make D3 offline because of all the idiots that would immediately hack and dupe and lay ruin to the games integrity.
"It's a business". No shit.....really? I bet these Blizzard motherfuckers are even making money off us!!!!
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lol.......I can't call it, homie. Can't call it. I don't quite get how Blizzard's existence as a money making entity has anything to do with these such conversations. Blizzard clearly wants D3 to succeed, and if anything, the fact that Blizzard endeavors upon such game creation ventures in order to profit should tell people that Blizz wants the product to be well received.
IMO.......all the dev was trying to do was paint a picture that explains the difference between subscription games and non-subscription games, what people expect from either one and how devs will approach the two differently.
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Lol, I see all kinds of rants about people crying over what the devs say and you are saying I am stupid. No kids, the ones crying about Blizzard "forcing" WOW on us are the thick ones. If YOU are so "thick" that you cant figure out who this thread is targeting, then you just need to move on.
Yeah I said all kinds of common sense things here, but apparently it has to be spelled out for some people.
...and then some "thick" people are railing me for stating the obvious cuz they cant figure it out for themselves.
.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/pantherdane-1591/hero/39933784
I want some of the stuff that pantherdan is smoking.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twoflower-2131/hero/47336841
wut ?
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Remember that one time when Brian Williams was trapped in the Nakatomi Plaza and he was fighting those terrorists?
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Lol. No I'm not sharing and its all a conspiracy. Lol
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/pantherdane-1591/hero/39933784
I don't consider myself a relatively "thick" person, but I still can't get to how you are arriving at your conclusions. In my personal experience, D3 was my WoW killer. I quit WoW and switched to D3 because it's a better fit for my life style and I don't feel like I'm losing money if I go 3 weeks without playing it. Actually, the only Blizzard game that I play is D3.
As for ownership, let's take a look at D2 for example. The Battle.net infrastructure that lets you play D2 through battle.net is still up and they are still resetting the leaderboard for seasons. They haven't taken down those old servers after this many years so the game gets supported for a while longer than most people will tend to play it. Have you ever purchased music or movies in itunes? You might be interested to know that you don't actually own that either. You purchased a user license for those songs that doesn't transfer to other individuals. So you don't really own that music either. Also, Apple can pull those apps off their store (and your devices) for any reason they see fit, so you don't really have control over your "property" either.
I can see how you can jump to the conclusion that the developers have a God Complex. They totally adjusted playstyles and set bonuses, weapon damage, consolidated crafting mat drops, added blood shards and gambling, GRifts, adjusted pylons to be more in alignment with each other, added additional affixes to legs that didn't have them, are creating new sets for future patches, are creating legendaries like the Shard of Hate and the new multi-element ring, added legendary gems, and adjusted the elemental types of skills because they purely wanted to do it. It had nothing to do with the thousands of pages of feedback that came into the forums and places like Diablofans where fans had provided constructive criticism and math-based evidence on how these things could impact the game.
Now, Blizzard as a business...
Yes, they are a business.
Yes, they do want to make money.
Yes, they do want to make that money by producing some of the most polished games that are released in the industry.
I see arguments that "we should be mad that Blizzard is trying to take money" as extremely juvenile and naive in structure. Do you get mad at movie production companies, publishers, Netflix, television networks, console manufacturers, or musicians when they try to make a profit off their work? They are other branches of entertainment too that are trying to make money.
The bottom line is that you would not be playing any video game if it didn't make that company money because they wouldn't spend the resources to make the game or improve upon it. Also, cross promotion of their other IP in D3 is a good advertising tactic to bring awareness to their other products. If someone see's Kerrigan's wings, takes a look at StarCraft and wants to play it, then good for that person. If you're like me, I had fun with the vanilla SC game in single player but I suck at it too much to make it in multi-player, so I gave up on it and didn't buy the xpac. I made the choice not to buy the expac. I don't have any interest in playing any of the other Blizzard games at this time, but I will sure as hell buy the next Diablo expac because they have done such a great job with that game.
In the end, I am a grown man who can make his own decisions on how to spend my money and time when I want to be entertained. Blizzard would be doing a poor job as a company if it didn't encourage me to spend more money on their products, but that is not a conspiracy on their end. That's just good business sense.
I really am using this quote in my footer. Thank you for another gem ruksak.
I'm going to be generous and assume that English is not this guy's first language, and that is why he is so unable to express a coherent thought in it.
You can't count on me to say anything smart, but we can all rest assured that I'll come up with something so profoundly stupid that it deserves noting.
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Thornagol, clearly you read my post and understood what I was getting at. You seem to be the only one with reading comprehension. btw, I wasnt calling you "thick" I was merely reciprocating.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/pantherdane-1591/hero/39933784
I think it was an unintentional design. Clearing a 45 rift in 7 mins (bang bang fun action) only to fail the rg boss (zzz) who has 100+bil hp does bring thoughts of mmo into mind. I went back to rift, more fun than wow (played both).
They did a great job with the density in 2.12 but the rift guardians just have too much hit points and are either one shot or immune neck. Im not 800para yet but will probably just consider the rift "great xp" if i get a non poison boss with no shrine now at higher lvls. Its just not fun to fight those guys.
Everything eventually boils down to trust, including those USD spent on the game.
I came to these forums thinking it would be better then the blizzard Diablo 3 forums, with ruksak, I can see both are the same.
To the OP, I think a lot of people are just upset at what was not said at that interview as well as what they did say. But I do agree that Diablo 3 is a game that you play for short bursts, the guy could have prob worded it better to know say wow in it though. But after all they want people to keep playing wow seeing as sub numbers are slowly dropping again.
Overall I do feel Diablo 3 team is prob 90 to 95% of the size it was and most of the workers are moved to something else. I still have for X-pack 2 for D3.
Whoa there cowboy......don't you come in here with your 2 posts and pretend to know me or my history. Yes, I can be abrasive when encountering foolish posts/threads, but I have a history here that goes well beyond the occasional angry response.
I wasn't very receptive to the OP because his post reeks of Bnet fodder, "we" don't like conspiracy theories and baseless accusations being sussed out from an offhand comment made by a dev during a Tavern Talk session. What exactly do you think the response is going to be when someone makes comments like these;
"Blizzard wants D3 to be a starter drug to get you hooked on WOW."
"Think about it, why do you think they refuse to make D3 offline mode?"
"They have a god complex, are in COMPLETE control and do what they want, no matter what their customers want. They do not want us to play D3 forever and will one day take it away from us."
"D3 is not YOUR game its theirs, and they see it as a stepping stone to their cash cow, WOW."
These are nonsense statements that offer nothing of value. What was said in the Tavern Talk (comment regarding WoW) was simply the dev explaining the different philosophies between a subscription game versus a non-subscription game, and of course, he used their own brand (WoW) as an example while doing so.
As I said, this is NOT Bnet, and here's what I mean; If this thread is posted on Bnet, it gets lots of support from the droves of angry, angst ridden kids giving a +1 and jumping on the Blizz-hate bandwagon. You'll find people here FAR less tolerant of ignorant, baseless accusations being launched.
If this was posted @Bnet, it gets support. You don't believe me?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/16284588886?page=1
There, in the cesspool we call Bnet, this poorly written rubbish is "Highly Rated". Here, @ Diablofans, you're gonna get grilled and asked numerous questions when you post such tripe. We don't support Blizz-hate blindly here, we are far more critical in our thinking when approached with such silly ideas. I hope you understand and I hope you stick around. This is truly the best resource for D3 info, opinion, and discussion on the web. You're just going to have to understand that threads need to have some thought put to them or else the veteran members here are going to rip your post apart.
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Would you change your opinion if I told you that he adamantly disagrees with you? Because.....he does disagree with you. He does not support your ideas at all, as he clearly described in his posts here.
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I actually liked how many aspects of WoW were implemented in D3. At least in the vanilla version.
Also the boss fights that actually feel like boss fights with different stages etc, that was all really great when it came out. Killing Belial for the first time way back then, with his different phases and his (slightly) changing location, I was really hoping that Blizzard got it right.
Unfortunately that was not what the players wanted though... Think of it, in WoW you had a real progress system. With heroic raids so difficult that the majority of the players never saw them. That's what Inferno difficulty was originally intended to be. The spirit of the entire vanilla concept was to actually challenge players. And we all know how well that went from the WoW Expansion Cataclysm where they originally came out with really really challenging instances and raids and their player numbers dropped to the lowest count since WoW release... Since then it's back to easy casual friendly grind games.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twoflower-2131/hero/47336841
I've always found myself in the dark with these WoW/D3 comparisons. I've never played WoW, not for even a second, so I have to take people's word for it.
Personally, I do not care for the "casual" moniker. I find it falls short of properly describing the user-friendly approach that Blizzard takes toward these complex games. A good replacement for the term "casual gamer" would be "average gamer", and when you're in the business of selling video games, you would do well to appease the common denominator, the average gamer.
Not that I support this, not that I think it's right, but I have ask; What is the difference between the average gamer and the casual gamer? Nothing much that I can see.
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like I said, he didnt read my post, he just went troll and started going on about me and then did the same to you. he claims he hates those Bnet trolls, but seems to act like one here.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/pantherdane-1591/hero/39933784