u can add combination strike too (deadly reach foresight for 18% more dmg, and classic fot thunderclap) sbdy also adds third spirit generator for even bigger bonus on comb strike (personaly not sure if its worth it)..
Ahh yes there are quite a few ways to make this a lot stronger but in my experience its not really the most efficient nor the safest so I refrained from other using them.
I dont understand how people can say it would be a nerf to all monks to remove the snapshot effect... it wouldn't affect anyone else than those who (ab-)used that mechanic.
Now if blizzard made a broad nerf to the monk to compensate for having the snapshot effect. THAT would indeed be a nerf for everyone.
I think that at this point most monks use spells like blinding flash to buff their damage before using sweeping winds. This adds a big portion of one's damage. This requires no gear swapping, and it is hardly abuse to understand game mechanics and adapt to them.
I dont understand how people can say it would be a nerf to all monks to remove the snapshot effect... it wouldn't affect anyone else than those who (ab-)used that mechanic.
Now if blizzard made a broad nerf to the monk to compensate for having the snapshot effect. THAT would indeed be a nerf for everyone.
I think that at this point most monks use spells like blinding flash to buff their damage before using sweeping winds. This adds a big portion of one's damage. This requires no gear swapping, and it is hardly abuse to understand game mechanics and adapt to them.
Agree, and this is well said and one of the better arguments here.
The only thing I think should be killed is gear swapping. It never has settled well with me. Magic Find swapping is stupid and so is this. It moves beyond understanding and into the realm of being tedious as fuck.
Life Steal is snap shotted from sweeping with and that is what is healing me the entire time.
if i have weapon without lifesteal before activate cyclones and use a lifesteal weapon after cyclones activated then its only direct damage that heals me or cyclones still heal me?
Correct It will not gain lifesteal from cyclones since it was not snap-shotted with lifesteal. Unfortunately
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On realy high budgets for endgame gear its again kinda even out between all classes again.
You sure about that? I admit, I haven't looked intensely into the matter, but from what I've seen, if we're talking about endgame gear, barb pulls way ahead with their hota spec.
You are incorrect
I had the previous world record überbosses solo with BIS/close to BIS in all slots. (and still have the legit one, in my mind atleast)
I used over 8 hours recording those runs. (close to perfect)
Then this exploting monk comes along killing all them in under 3min (with not even good runs + one other player join in the end of each fight..)
What gear he had pre snapshot i dont know, but he open inventory in the last fight to change weapons you can see he only have 25k dps on the "datasheet" --> http://i.imgur.com/HxGSp.jpg
Other video of the same monk running trough mp10 monster liker they were mp1
What gear he had i dont know, but he open inventory in the last fight to change weapons you can see he only have 25k dps on the "datasheet" --> http://i.imgur.com/HxGSp.jpg
That explains kinda well what gear snapshot monks using for their different sets.
Yes i have a basic understanding how sw + gear swapping works.
The only time a barb (with BIS items) can compete with the damage output of a "min maxing" exploiting monk is when the fight/measurement last under 15 sec (Azmodan)
To be able to compete in those 15s the barb need to use WOTB Insanity + Earthquake (120sec cooldown on both). While the monk can sustain that damage output.
And this is without even taking into consideration the difference in EHP/substain vs a glass cannon 15sec barb and a min maxing sw gearswapping monk. (the monk cant be killed in hes post snapshot gear)
*edit*
Please not that i dont want blizzard to nerf/change the sw skill itself, i just think they should make it so gear swapping ain't possible anymore. (while keeping the sw buff)
The best solution:
When you switch gear with sweeping wind active, it automatically de-activates. Pretty simple solution, no drawbacks ?
What a shit patch for monks.I swear these guys dont even play the game.Nerf our snapshot instead of nerfing gear swaping is retarded.So basically blinding flash is obsolete now.
Dmg wise in High mp, overawe spam will still be king.So buffind spirit spenders isnt going to fix anything.Removing snapshot was a mistake made by rookies.They should not allow gear swapping like that, that would've been better.
But in the end if u really look at it.Basically absolutely nothing has change for monks. FoT/Cyclone + mantra spam still king in high mp.
As a Monk myself (Plvl 68), I am so happy about snapshot being taken away, I have difficulty finding the words to explain my joy.
FINALLY, monk gear with skill bonuses will become more valuable than just being the "snapshot-shit" you carry in your bags. This re-enables some of those affixes to become balanced and desirable on gear for more than just a quick activation.
Good change imo. It was a clear oversight, abused by some - and it was hightime that blizz fixed it.
Add to that, thanks Blizz for the buffs; My TR farming build/gear appreciates it.
Not so much my ubers stuff, but I am quite ok with the tradeoff.
For those behind the curve, WoL buff (and LTK) is HUGE. You can still easily spam WoL-Empowered Wave (40 spirit) AND Overawe by picking up Quickening or Rising Tide (high mob density). The slight fewer Cyclones is more than made up for dropping 800%+ bells usually more than once a second.
Yeah, HUGE buff. Go try it before you hate on it.
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Ahh yes there are quite a few ways to make this a lot stronger but in my experience its not really the most efficient nor the safest so I refrained from other using them.
I think that at this point most monks use spells like blinding flash to buff their damage before using sweeping winds. This adds a big portion of one's damage. This requires no gear swapping, and it is hardly abuse to understand game mechanics and adapt to them.
Agree, and this is well said and one of the better arguments here.
The only thing I think should be killed is gear swapping. It never has settled well with me. Magic Find swapping is stupid and so is this. It moves beyond understanding and into the realm of being tedious as fuck.
Correct It will not gain lifesteal from cyclones since it was not snap-shotted with lifesteal. Unfortunately
Just as everything else there is always a risk.
Where was this posted? Just wondering
You are incorrect
I had the previous world record überbosses solo with BIS/close to BIS in all slots. (and still have the legit one, in my mind atleast)
I used over 8 hours recording those runs. (close to perfect)
Then this exploting monk comes along killing all them in under 3min (with not even good runs + one other player join in the end of each fight..)
http://v.youku.com/v...k3NTg5MTUy.html
What gear he had pre snapshot i dont know, but he open inventory in the last fight to change weapons you can see he only have 25k dps on the "datasheet" --> http://i.imgur.com/HxGSp.jpg
Other video of the same monk running trough mp10 monster liker they were mp1
http://v.youku.com/v...k3MzUzODYw.html
Something have to be changed, and i suggest:
When you switch gear with sweeping wind active, it automatically de-activates. Pretty simple solution, no drawbacks ?
Yes i have a basic understanding how sw + gear swapping works.
The only time a barb (with BIS items) can compete with the damage output of a "min maxing" exploiting monk is when the fight/measurement last under 15 sec (Azmodan)
To be able to compete in those 15s the barb need to use WOTB Insanity + Earthquake (120sec cooldown on both). While the monk can sustain that damage output.
And this is without even taking into consideration the difference in EHP/substain vs a glass cannon 15sec barb and a min maxing sw gearswapping monk. (the monk cant be killed in hes post snapshot gear)
*edit*
Please not that i dont want blizzard to nerf/change the sw skill itself, i just think they should make it so gear swapping ain't possible anymore. (while keeping the sw buff)
The best solution:
When you switch gear with sweeping wind active, it automatically de-activates. Pretty simple solution, no drawbacks ?
I really dont think the dmg increase is going to make up for the snaphot when casting flash with our main gear without swapping... But oh well
But in the end if u really look at it.Basically absolutely nothing has change for monks. FoT/Cyclone + mantra spam still king in high mp.
FINALLY, monk gear with skill bonuses will become more valuable than just being the "snapshot-shit" you carry in your bags. This re-enables some of those affixes to become balanced and desirable on gear for more than just a quick activation.
Good change imo. It was a clear oversight, abused by some - and it was hightime that blizz fixed it.
Add to that, thanks Blizz for the buffs; My TR farming build/gear appreciates it.
Not so much my ubers stuff, but I am quite ok with the tradeoff.
Yeah, HUGE buff. Go try it before you hate on it.