In depth guide for Inferno Ranged Barbarian

  • #81
    Quote from Logicalness

    HI. I just spent alot of gold replicating your gear and spec. Could you poisslbe re post a ss of your stats and gear?

    Also it seems hard to sustain my fury. Any tips?


    Hey, it can be hard to sustain with low CHC if you don't use Charge!. Especially versus solo enemies.

    Runes are

    Insanity - Into the Fray - Run like the Wind - Impunity - Ricochet - Rage Flip

    stats unbuffed and with 1h sword in main hand.

    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #82
    And how it goes with such low resists anyway? Before 1.0.3 one mistake would be a sure death.

    Also, I assume you're using the Weapon Master passive, but according to image above you are going for sword in main hand instead of mighty, why? Is it because of attack speed? Wouldn't mace/axe be better when it comes with free 10% CSC (10% off 290% bonus damage on crit is like 29% increase instead of 10, correct me if i'm wrong)?
  • #83
    Quote from plan3s

    And how it goes with such low resists anyway? Before 1.0.3 one mistake would be a sure death.

    Also, I assume you're using the Weapon Master passive, but according to image above you are going for sword in main hand instead of mighty, why? Is it because of attack speed? Wouldn't mace/axe be better when it comes with free 10% CSC (10% off 290% bonus damage on crit is like 29% increase instead of 10, correct me if i'm wrong)?


    Hi,

    Before 1.03 I had the same DPS wearing a shield so I could take 3 hits from most of the stuff. I have videos up if you want to check them out.

    I'm using a sword because it's the best possible weapon for damage. Keep in mind that the 15% applies before the criticals, which means higher crits as well as higher white damage. I don't have fury problems so I don't use Mighty Weapon in MH (heck I don't even need Charge!).
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #84
    I loved the spec. How ever ran into a few problems. My DPS was drasticly lower than yours before I knew your stats that is why I asked to see your gear / stats. I have 55% CHC(With a 10% CHC shield and using a Mighty Weapon) I see part of my problem is I took some CHC gear that didn't have any Strength at all. Also I see you changed our your pants. Are you still using Boj Anglers boots? Your strength is 1850 whereas mine is only 1370. That is a big chunk of DPS. My weapon, shield, and gloves all don't have strength. I'll need to change those out.

    My other problem with the spec is the shear fact if you get caught by mobs you are ded 95% of the time. Like if you run into an Elitie Pack / Rare with Vortex, Jailer, or Waller and you get caught you are dead. It way to punishing and frustrating with the new increased repair cost. Kiting is another vital part of this spec. How ever I kept running into the problem of going into a zone and the first thing I run into is an elite pack and I have no where to kite. This happened to me in Act Two going to get the bloods for Zultan Kul or w/e his name is. Also some bosses are very punishing. After getting my ass kicked in Act Two I decided to go farm Act one Warden / Butcher 5 stack Neph Valor runs. Clearing to Butcher is just fine. But I don't know if its just me but Butcher is a bully for ranged. I can dodge all his ablities but his Multiple Spear Throw. Being so squishy if I wasn't able to get to a HP Pool or have an HP pot I would die. Or I'd be a totat tard and get hit with the spear pull and he'd one shot me. I died to much I actually broke all my gear and had no gold to repair it and had to go put my tank gear on and go farm Act One.
  • #85
    Have exactly the same problem as you with Act 2. After 10h of farming im down by 100k gr8 !! :D shame I bought all the items before the change as now I need to change some gear again as they are not as good anymore :/ Maybe Im playing it wrong or I just dont have good enough items. But to get better gear I actually need cash which im loosing on farming so there is no point :P going back to act 4 Hell jsut to get easy money as you still can run there with 5nv and get good ammount of money from selling all the blue/rare crap :D

    Btw same question about boots.. still boj anglers? for the walking speed boost? (as thats the only item on ur list that can have some. Cant imagine you can kite without some extra speed?
    !! Die Maggot !!
  • #86
    Quote from Logicalness

    I loved the spec. How ever ran into a few problems. My DPS was drasticly lower than yours before I knew your stats that is why I asked to see your gear / stats. I have 55% CHC(With a 10% CHC shield and using a Mighty Weapon) I see part of my problem is I took some CHC gear that didn't have any Strength at all. Also I see you changed our your pants. Are you still using Boj Anglers boots? Your strength is 1850 whereas mine is only 1370. That is a big chunk of DPS. My weapon, shield, and gloves all don't have strength. I'll need to change those out.

    My other problem with the spec is the shear fact if you get caught by mobs you are ded 95% of the time. Like if you run into an Elitie Pack / Rare with Vortex, Jailer, or Waller and you get caught you are dead. It way to punishing and frustrating with the new increased repair cost. Kiting is another vital part of this spec. How ever I kept running into the problem of going into a zone and the first thing I run into is an elite pack and I have no where to kite. This happened to me in Act Two going to get the bloods for Zultan Kul or w/e his name is. Also some bosses are very punishing. After getting my ass kicked in Act Two I decided to go farm Act one Warden / Butcher 5 stack Neph Valor runs. Clearing to Butcher is just fine. But I don't know if its just me but Butcher is a bully for ranged. I can dodge all his ablities but his Multiple Spear Throw. Being so squishy if I wasn't able to get to a HP Pool or have an HP pot I would die. Or I'd be a totat tard and get hit with the spear pull and he'd one shot me. I died to much I actually broke all my gear and had no gold to repair it and had to go put my tank gear on and go farm Act One.


    Hi, if you have problems with deaths there are two things that can be spotted as the problem (ignoring player errors here)

    1. Your DPS is too low. You could think of tanks that die because they get circled ; that wouldn't happen if they could kill mobs faster. It's the same thing with this spec : you need to be able to make yourself some space.

    2. Your HP pool / armor / res is too low. It's vital to be able to take at least 2 hits (of course) but you'd need to be able to take 4 or 5, especially with a shield and with the recent nerf to monster damage. I find it pretty hard to die now, even if I dropped my shield. It's all about good kiting and all that jazz. There are zones where it is impossible to clear without dying, without skills like Leap or Furious Charge because the entrance is swarmed.

    About the gear, I just bought those 300k pants because they still haven't fixed the old Inna's Glory... (good joke imo). I could get some easy stats from the pants so I went ahead and took them.


    @krazykrasz
    As for Boj Anglers, I still use them just because good boots are generally more expensive. I'd replace them with 150+ str 150+ vit 12 movespeed boots anyday. I just haven't found a pair I like yet (aka a steal :P)

    The repair costs are indeed a pain, you really need to be more careful. Don't progress too fast, sure the game is easier but keep it mind it used to take about 1 week of a few hours of play everyday to even thinking of starting act 2.

    Sure the game is easier now but it's harder to find sellable items, if you compare to 3 weeks ago, so if your badlucky on item drops you need to farm gold and that's not really easy nowadays (maybe offer rushes or zol'tun leveling) and you can buy some easy upgrades with 1 hour of rushing, for example. Pretty good gear is cheap as hell now :D
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #87
    Heyo everyone,

    Well I can say in some ways i'm in the same boat as people getting killed pretty easily, but it depends. IF I have a friend tanking persay, I don't die much at all. I was actually able to kite some elites in the passage way in area 2 & 3 above where the butcher is (can't remember the name of the zones lol).

    Typically for building fury, this is what I do:

    I still don't have enough IFG, so I still use charge. I make sure to use it when ever its up, though I make sure to look at my fury globe. If its less than half, I use it..otherwise I save it. Then what I do is hit into the fray, and run like the wind. If you have at least 3 mobs running after you, your fury globe should cap out very fast. While running I then turn fast and start spamin ricochet. Long as there's 3 mobs, I normally will not run out of fury at this point.

    The biggest problem I'm having with running out of fury is simple. Besides single targets...its Berserker/Insanity that truly kills my fury. Unless charge is up, and i'm not careful I will run out of fury with berserker (on a single target). So typically i'm forced to switch to mighty throw, for stuff like that. I still think its retarded that Ricochet doesn't benefit the same as mighty throw.

    My deal is I still don't have a 5 reduction belt, and enough crit. I think my base crit is 42%. My gloves are only 7.5 crit, and I only have 1 crit ring that's 3.5. Crit gear now seems to be alot more pricey than ias. Due to this picking up say andariels visage was alot easier lol.

    I honestly don't know why they nerfed attack speed. The way the engine or game mechanics is set up, attack speed still one of the most important attributes to have..yet its alot harder to obtain now. Its almost like they nerfed inferno, then nerfed us at the same time...making the difficulty about the same as before (esp with repair costs).

    The only thing I did notice is on really slow weapons, attack speed does seem to have a greater effect...at least bringing it up. It seems like the higher your attack speed is..the harder it is to raise it higher.

    Lastly, anyone else notice the "balanced" weapons? I have yet to see one with high dps (because I farm act 2), though the attack speed is like it was prior to the nerf...meaning the mighty weapon I found had a 1.51 attack speed with 17% ias. In terms of farming screw elites..they not worth the repairs...I myself will still stick to farming gobs.
  • #88
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  • #89
    After further gear gathering I'm up to 55k DPS with buffs.(Dual Wielding with an Axe in MH) Still having some fury problems on single target and on bosses. I'm also still using Charge! rune. I have a 47% CHC with Battle Rage up and Axe in MH.

    Have you looked into getting Nat Boots and Nat rings for the 7% CHC set bonus? I found pair of boots for a steal. Trying to find a cheap ring though looks impossible.
  • #90
    Quote from Logicalness

    After further gear gathering I'm up to 55k DPS with buffs.(Dual Wielding with an Axe in MH) Still having some fury problems on single target and on bosses. I'm also still using Charge! rune. I have a 47% CHC with Battle Rage up and Axe in MH.

    Have you looked into getting Nat Boots and Nat rings for the 7% CHC set bonus? I found pair of boots for a steal. Trying to find a cheap ring though looks impossible.


    Yep, working on the second piece as well, didn't find one I liked yet for the price...
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #91
    Hey,

    Here's an update on the build that I'm using now, kinda made the game fun again for me and it's better.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#fRPiUk!fZY!ZbZYZZ

    The annoying part : Ignore Pain doesn't always generate fury (except when you man up and take a hit for fury with the buff up ; this works I use it often).
    That means you need to use Charge! on WC, = less resists. The good part is that Ignore Pain is pretty much a 5 seconds Smoke Screen, which means you can just pop bosses without kiting while under WoTB.

    Of course this is nothing new, classic barb DPS spec, but it's really good for us as well, plus it makes reflect damage mobs a cake walk.

    This makes a spec without Run like the Wind possible, which opens up possibilities for BR : maybe a classic DPS spec with Leap and Ignore Pain for double ''I can take hits cooldowns'', with Mighty Throw and Bloodshed on BR. I wanna test this but I didn't get the chance.
    With those skills it would enable us to be way more squishy and still not die : could possibly help to gear up, and when you feel confident with your gear you could replace Leap.

    With Ignore Pain only I died only 4 times clearing whole first half of act 3 up to Siegebreaker, and 3 of those deaths were to me running into a fireball from those shielding shamans. It's really good.
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #92
    I will try your new build and maybe test some other variations. Thinking If I should try 2h Sword with massive dps and some xtras :) will not be as fast as 2x1h and will probably not have as many perks from it but the dmg (as pure white dmg) will be amazing especially that weapon throw is using main weapon dmg anyway. Stil lthinking about it.. And Ignore Pain sounds really good for those emergency situations or use it + WoTB to kill elites at max dps possible :)

    Guys btw If we will have Life on Hit and Weapon Throw with Ricochet will we steal life per 3 targets? or just 1? Anyone tested that? If it would be per 3 it Would be awesome and make survival much better :)
    !! Die Maggot !!
  • #93
    Quote from KrAzyKrAsz

    I will try your new build and maybe test some other variations. Thinking If I should try 2h Sword with massive dps and some xtras :) will not be as fast as 2x1h and will probably not have as many perks from it but the dmg (as pure white dmg) will be amazing especially that weapon throw is using main weapon dmg anyway. Stil lthinking about it.. And Ignore Pain sounds really good for those emergency situations or use it + WoTB to kill elites at max dps possible :)

    Guys btw If we will have Life on Hit and Weapon Throw with Ricochet will we steal life per 3 targets? or just 1? Anyone tested that? If it would be per 3 it Would be awesome and make survival much better :)


    That's not how life on hit works generally. Most spells only take into account 1 hit and it's pretty much random how much it affects it. It's an easy test to see what's the %, I never bothered because with the damage I put out Lifesteal would be better (would also take into account the 3 hits from Ricochet)

    I'm pretty sure Ricochet has close to 100% life on hit though.
    2 handers don't seem to have a place in this build anymore... Sure in 1.02, but now you need some kind of attack speed. If you wanna go 2 hander you really need to be 1-2 shotting everything, or close to at least.
    Another problem is that you can only get 200% critical hit damage increased total, and with 1 handers you can get up to 400%.
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #94
    Ok got that!! Will stick to 2x1h or 1h+Shield for now. Thanks will try out tonight how the new build works. Btw how the hell do you kill GASH with low res as I cant stay alive because of the poison in there :) Me and 2 of my friends are dying all the time.. so cruel ! :D
    !! Die Maggot !!
  • #95
    Quote from KrAzyKrAsz

    Ok got that!! Will stick to 2x1h or 1h+Shield for now. Thanks will try out tonight how the new build works. Btw how the hell do you kill GASH with low res as I cant stay alive because of the poison in there :) Me and 2 of my friends are dying all the time.. so cruel ! :D


    Wait who ?
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #96
    well, I'm playing your ranged barb too, but I still encounter Fury issues.

    My Current Stats:

    Strength: 2093
    CHC: 51.5% (without Battle Rage)
    CHDMG: 412%
    Attacks per Second: 1.77
    DPS: 75805 (90627 with Battle Rage up)

    using your latest build with ignore pain and ricochet (still have Charge + Into the Fray)

    having a 1h Mace in Mainhand for those 10%CHC
    but only a belt with 3 fury cost reduced for weapon throw

    so the main Issue is: if I engage an encounter (for example Butcher), I pop my War Cry + Battle Rage and instantly throw my Axes. And what happens? I have no Fury...and I did some crits ofc (well, 54.1%CHC xD)
    I didn't had that problems before with Overpower for additional 10%CHC.
    Maybe I should switch to a Mighty Weapon or get more CHC?

    any clues?
  • #97
    Quote from Nooke

    well, I'm playing your ranged barb too, but I still encounter Fury issues.

    My Current Stats:

    Strength: 2093
    CHC: 51.5% (without Battle Rage)
    CHDMG: 412%
    Attacks per Second: 1.77
    DPS: 75805 (90627 with Battle Rage up)

    using your latest build with ignore pain and ricochet (still have Charge + Into the Fray)

    having a 1h Mace in Mainhand for those 10%CHC
    but only a belt with 3 fury cost reduced for weapon throw

    so the main Issue is: if I engage an encounter (for example Butcher), I pop my War Cry + Battle Rage and instantly throw my Axes. And what happens? I have no Fury...and I did some crits ofc (well, 54.1%CHC xD)
    I didn't had that problems before with Overpower for additional 10%CHC.
    Maybe I should switch to a Mighty Weapon or get more CHC?

    any clues?


    It's the belt ^_^

    You have enough CHC and all.
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #98
    Quote from JCLe



    It's the belt ^_^

    You have enough CHC and all.


    k, changed it with lamentation 5fury reduce (only cost 1.7m am I totally lucky?)

    works fine atm :)
  • #99
    Quote from Nooke

    Quote from JCLe

    It's the belt ^_^

    You have enough CHC and all.


    k, changed it with lamentation 5fury reduce (only cost 1.7m am I totally lucky?)

    works fine atm :)


    Cool :D, it's pretty cheap but it depends on what mods you rolled.

    Here's a new video :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1zcuYQt3UI&feature=youtu.be
    Gerudo@d2jsp
  • #100
    Hey man, cheers for the guide, its helped me a lot in making my axe thrower barb! Sorry you've lost interest in the game. Imagine it happens to everyone at some point.

    Looking for a bit of general advice for the latest patch, I'm running usual:

    Ricochet
    AS - Skirmish - really finding myself low on fury often for some reason, this seems to sort it out, at later gear levels I'm hoping to use sprint like you
    Impunity - Cant give up that free resistance
    Overpower with crit
    WOTB with insanity
    War cry with marauders rage

    Passives are the usual crit passive, weapon specialise (mace for me) and no escape.

    My crit at the moment (fully buffed with scoundrel) is sitting at 48%. I really wanna be at a point like you where you can just use sprint and weapon throw without worrying too much about running out and being useless. I was wondering what you were running with fully buffed? Because watching your vids it looks like you have no problems. Also what boots are you using? Do you go for extra speed on boots? Does it buff the damage on run like the wind.

    Cheers in advance
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