Is a build using a 2 Hander and Cleave viable?

  • #1
    I just cant stand WW and tried it before on my first Barb. I just didnt like the way it played. About to level a new one as I didnt really like WD and just wondering if a 2H Cleave build is viable? Also by viable I dont mean "Yes, but it will take you 45 minutes to do an Alkaizer Run" I know it wont have the same speed as a WW Barb but I dont want to kill at a snail's pace either. But I would rather play something I enjoy and I just didnt enjoy WW so if a 2H build is slower than WW Im OK with that as long as it isnt way way slower. I keep trying to look at other Barb's for build ideas but like 99% of all profiles you click on are WW.

    I just want to carry a big ass weapon and beat faces in. Not dance around like a sissy ballerina pooping out tornadoes.
  • #2
    I use a cleave/rend build on my barb. Cant comment on the killingspeed, cause my gear sucks as you can see right here:
    http://eu.battle.net...45/hero/9951166

    However, Im sure the speed wont be a problem at all, once your gear gets good.
    My build is based on lifesteal, and as long as i can keep 4-5 mobs bleeding, I can survive very good. One on one however, im weak without my WotB

    The funfactor is great though. BARB SMASH!

    edit:
    I dont use the AH, so thats why im dressed like I am. Self found is more fun imo
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  • #3
    There's a build that was more popular in 1.0.4 but is still viable as of right now. Basically, your main attack is Cleave with Broad Sweep, your right click is Revenge with Provocation. Now you will be using Rend in this build with Bloodlust, along with the shouts you want / wotb and a mobility skill. I think Furios Charge with Merciless Assault is pretty badass combined with Cleave, Rend and Revenge.
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  • #4
    Quote from Jamoose

    There's a build that was more popular in 1.0.4 but is still viable as of right now. Basically, your main attack is Cleave with Broad Sweep, your right click is Revenge with Provocation. Now you will be using Rend in this build with Bloodlust, along with the shouts you want / wotb and a mobility skill. I think Furios Charge with Merciless Assault is pretty badass combined with Cleave, Rend and Revenge.

    This is almost exactly my build. It's fun.
  • #5
    2Hander/Cleave barbs are fun but they are also slow. What makes a WW barb so fast is that they can run and run and run. Where as a Cleave barb you are going to spend more time killing and moving on to the next group.
  • #6
    HoTA builds are fine for high mp(keys) and ubers

    but for exp grind on low mp WW is the fastest and works with 2Hs too - WW pretty much kills everything, rend obliterates elites and tornadoes just finish survivors, you do not have to dance like a sissy ) but you will not be able to keep wotb up with 2h, so you lose some runspeed
    i have this build now, check my sig if you want
  • #7
    Quote from garnok

    I use a cleave/rend build on my barb. Cant comment on the killingspeed, cause my gear sucks as you can see right here:
    http://eu.battle.net...45/hero/9951166

    However, Im sure the speed wont be a problem at all, once your gear gets good.
    My build is based on lifesteal, and as long as i can keep 4-5 mobs bleeding, I can survive very good. One on one however, im weak without my WotB

    The funfactor is great though. BARB SMASH!

    edit:
    I dont use the AH, so thats why im dressed like I am. Self found is more fun imo



    1353 STR and 24k dps... holy crap man. My level 40 monk is sharper lol.
  • #8
    Quote from erod

    Quote from garnok

    I use a cleave/rend build on my barb. Cant comment on the killingspeed, cause my gear sucks as you can see right here:
    http://eu.battle.net...45/hero/9951166

    However, Im sure the speed wont be a problem at all, once your gear gets good.
    My build is based on lifesteal, and as long as i can keep 4-5 mobs bleeding, I can survive very good. One on one however, im weak without my WotB

    The funfactor is great though. BARB SMASH!

    edit:
    I dont use the AH, so thats why im dressed like I am. Self found is more fun imo



    1353 STR and 24k dps... holy crap man. My level 40 monk is sharper lol.


    LOL..go troll someplace else. If you took the time out to read his post then your comment holds no water.
  • #9
    Quote from garnok

    Self found is more fun imo

    Word.

    Anyway, I'm also using a Cleave (Broad Sweep)/Rend (Bloodlust) build. It's fun. More fun that Whirlwind, in my opinion, albeit slower and not as 'hectic'.
  • #10
    Quote from ratmaz313

    2Hander/Cleave barbs are fun but they are also slow. What makes a WW barb so fast is that they can run and run and run. Where as a Cleave barb you are going to spend more time killing and moving on to the next group.


    How slow are we talking? I dont wanna spend an hour just to do an Alkaizer run.
  • #11
    Quote from Ally25

    Quote from ratmaz313

    2Hander/Cleave barbs are fun but they are also slow. What makes a WW barb so fast is that they can run and run and run. Where as a Cleave barb you are going to spend more time killing and moving on to the next group.


    How slow are we talking? I dont wanna spend an hour just to do an Alkaizer run.


    I've been using a 2H build lately and I actually did an Alkaizer run the other day with a build using Cleave. It's not as fast as using Whirlwind but it wasn't completely terrible. I was able to do a standard Alkaizer run in 13 minutes, netting 9.44 million XP, which would be about 43.5mil XP per hour. Here are the screenshots:

    http://i.imgur.com/DfRfb.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/NVS32.jpg

    Here is the build: http://us.battle.net...XSUR!ZYW!aZYZbY

    Now this build is clearly suboptimal compared to WW. With the same gear using my 2h WW build I can pull in over 65mil xp/hour, i.e. about 50% more XP. You can see that build and my gear on my profile: http://us.battle.net...5/hero/19237630 However, if your goal is just to use a cleave build without it being TOO bad, I think the answer is you can do that. 45mil/hour isn't terrible.
  • #12
    I've been playing with my build for a long time now and I just love it

    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KilltroX-2667/hero/12990886

    Skills:
    - Bash (Onslaught - adds 2x25% reverberations so 205% to a single target) --> You can easily switch this to Cleave to do AOE damage, but I just love the power that comes from Bash.
    - Rend (Bloodlust - gain 9% weapon dmg as life) --> well just leap into a mob and use rend, your life regen will be awesome.
    - War Cry & Battlerage (+20% res & 30% more dmg)
    - Furious Charge (Merciless Assault - -2seconds per enemy hit) --> You can spam this in a big mob until theres
    - Leap (Iron Impact - gain 100% armor per enemy hit for 3 seconds) --> Kinda like an Ignore Pain, but you can leap!

    Passives:
    - Ruthless.
    - Weapon Master --> depends on what weapon you have so you can switch this one if you want
    - Berserker Rage (additional 25% dmg when fury is full) --> Since you only have Rend as a Fury Spender, your Fury is full 95% of the time.
  • #13
    With enough gold (and with how easy the game is now, even without enough gold), anything is viable. It's just not anywhere near as cost-efficient as going with the cookie-cutter and properly using the AH.
  • #14
    i am clearly not optimal, but i'm farming MP4&5 (Paragon 20) with this build and i enjoy it immensely:

    us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#bcXSRk!YdZ!aZcZaY

    cleave + exploding mobs, rend + heals, leap + stun, charge + merciless assault, battle rage + damage, warcry + 15% dodge (i think dodge is underrated), passives weapon master, bloodthirst (life leech), and ruthlessness. decent mobility, decent survivability because i have two buttons for escape and 1 for stun, I tried to stack up a good amount of crit% (55-ish% i think right now), 250k+ cleave crits, 400k charge crits, rend crits are amazeballs. its a little slow on some boss types, but for churning through normal mobs its fairly fun.
  • #15
    hello, using a 2 hander + cleave is very viable for a barb. i out survive many WW barbs at MP7+, the build is lots of fun. i use cleave (broad sweep), rend (blood lust), ignore pain (ignorance is bliss), war cry (impunity), battle rage (marauders rage), furious charge (merciless assault). passives are ruthless, nerves of steel, weapon master. my stats are 3161 strength, 1489 vita, 216k dps (159k dps unbuffed), 10.2k armor, 79k life, 51% life bonus, 47% crit chance, 463% crit hit damage, 3.00% life steal, attacks per second 1.16, resists are 1k to 1210, and damage reduced from elites 7% (ring). on average my crits are 550k to 800k. charge is great against jailer, helps get out of tight spots, and gets my barb away from arcane beams. rend is good versus frozen, jailer, desecrator combos. many 2x 1h WW barbs focus on speed, attack speed, and dps. those build types sacrifice life (usually have 35k to 50k life), defense (usually 5k to 6.5k), and resists (usually 650 to 900). most 2 x 1h WW barbs can dish it but cant take hits or damage. the 2 handed cleave build can take lots of damage and knock those inferno monsters back to hell :)
  • #16
    Quote from Ally25

    I just cant stand WW and tried it before on my first Barb. I just didnt like the way it played. About to level a new one as I didnt really like WD and just wondering if a 2H Cleave build is viable? Also by viable I dont mean "Yes, but it will take you 45 minutes to do an Alkaizer Run" I know it wont have the same speed as a WW Barb but I dont want to kill at a snail's pace either. But I would rather play something I enjoy and I just didnt enjoy WW so if a 2H build is slower than WW Im OK with that as long as it isnt way way slower. I keep trying to look at other Barb's for build ideas but like 99% of all profiles you click on are WW.

    I just want to carry a big ass weapon and beat faces in. Not dance around like a sissy ballerina pooping out tornadoes.


    for high MP farming i just replace WW with hammer of the ancients and sprint with rend (life leach one). i only need to use my main fury generator once every 5+ HOTAs (making the bash +8% dmg rune good), if you hit more than one mob at the same time you can actually gain fury from HOTA. My MP8 is basically me running around playing whack a mole. I only have 140k buffed dps before popping zerker.
  • #17
    You guys should add in ground stomp. Why run to the mobs when you can pull them to you? I use the rune that pulls at a larger distance and it really increases the kill speed because you don't have to run after dudes and that puts everyone right next to you and stuns them just long enough for you to rend and smash and cleave and overpower and whatever bashyface stuff you like doing :)
  • #18
    If you want a fun 2 handed build, make it furious charge. Probably the most fun I've had in this game just permacharging around a big pack.
  • #19
    Quote from JKlimek

    You guys should add in ground stomp. Why run to the mobs when you can pull them to you? I use the rune that pulls at a larger distance and it really increases the kill speed because you don't have to run after dudes and that puts everyone right next to you and stuns them just long enough for you to rend and smash and cleave and overpower and whatever bashyface stuff you like doing :)


    Yes, it's called Wrenching Smash, and I love it. Leap into the crowd, bring them all close to you AND stun them with Wrenching Smash, Rend, Cleave, collect loot, find next pack and repeat.
  • #20
    Yes it is, there is my barb :

    https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vingor-1871/hero/594

    221k dps unbuffed. Add battlerage + max fury + bash damage im going over 300k dps.

    Rend is the key for 2hander barb (as you can see i don't have any Life leach from gear).

    The charge is your main dps, try hitting 5 target so you can spam charge.

    Tip to survive, use the 3% life leech passive instead of max fury, so charge will give you a lot of life as your charge.


    So far i'm farming mp7-8, 9-10 requires a lil more of dps.

    If you have any question just pm me.
    Vingor#1871
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