I do know that there can be issues with the auction house but like I stated Blizzard could have an editor and make mods only available through battle-net. They can control on what mods would be available. If you play a mod that has made changes to items then the character would not be allowed in the auction house.
I will not go further in this since it looks like my ideas or opinions are in the minority here.
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Some fallout 4 mod makers have had their mods stolen and uploaded and downloaded on Bethesda's site for the Xbox One.
I think having mods for Diablo 3 would either require a large amount of work on Blizzard's side for screening every mod, or a very restricted mod tool. Either way, it would probably mean that making mods would not be worth it for either side of the equation. Mods were not supported for Diablo 2 either, so I really don't see why people think they would make an open game editor for Diablo 3, when they are being more restrictive on game editing, if anything.
I can't believe some people are crying about this... grow the fuck up. This is better for 95% of the player base. Blizzard can monitor things better to prevent hacks and so on. Blizzard keeps denying it, but I think the main reason is still to reduce pirating. I can't blame them at all, they spent a lot of time on this game and they want to protect it.
Lets outline some of the main crying.
"WAHH I can't play when I'm on my laptop on the road" Wifi hotspot, cell phone tethering, mobile usb stick internet. Don't have those things? Too bad.
"OMGZ constant INTERNET NOOO my data limit will get destroyed" No it wont, fools. One hour of play wont take more then 15mb of data. That is so so small of an amount.
"I'm only interested in single player, why do I have to have internet" Blizzard games have always been online focused, because its 1000000x more fun. If you don't like that, stick to Torchlight (a fun game... but gets boring fast because its just SP)
Reading some of the things on the Toms Hardware topic made me wanna rage...
You talk as if we're all being trampled on, as if we're losing a massive services and features. For the most part I've not heard anyone really say that, just that people aren't happy on the principle of the matter. Things change and I have never understood nor been able to relate to your point of view. So I do ask that you stop saying that it is hurting the generic you.
Just because you do not see how it hurts you ("You" meaning "arsonal3") does not mean that it doesn't hurt you.
There is a long list of mods for WoW that eventually became part of the game itself. There is a long list of mods for Diablo 2 that are now part of Diablo 3. There is a long list of mods in Diablo 3 that...wait nevermind.
But then again people ("People" referencing the forum in general, not gamers in general.) are just so happy to get the fabled Diablo 3 that they don't care what state the game is in.
Many sequels to a game have been busts after being hyped up and such.
I will wait and see when D3 is released. D3 is just a game and it is something I do not need. I still have D2 and the mods I play.
Well best of luck to you who seems to be determined to be stuck in the past 13 years ago. Enjoy D2 and your precious mods while the rest of us live in the present and enjoy a much improved sequel.
Lol at those who voted the last option. You'll still play and we all know it.
Not really. I never bought an original game in my life. I was going to buy Diablo 3 because I respected Blizzard, and I was satisfied with their work. Right now, if I can't pirate it I won't play it.
Well best of luck to you who seems to be determined to be stuck in the past 13 years ago. Enjoy D2 and your precious mods while the rest of us live in the present and enjoy a much improved sequel.
How do you know Diablo 3 is going to be so much better? Just because it is a newer game will not make it better, as Hans said many hyped sequels have been busts.
I voted that I am angry about Diablo 3 being online only, but i will still buy it.
This option really sums up how i feel about several of the latest pieces of information Blizzard has released, but I am interested enough in the lore of diablo to find out what happens, and even if the game is mediocre, playing through it would be more fun than just reading a plot summary of the game or something.
Although I doubt the game will end up being mediocre. The game itself looks fun, I can just not deal with the RMAH if I choose not to, having to be online will be an annoyance, but it is not awful and if they release content patches or expansions often enough that I wont miss the lack of mods.
For me personally I wont get affected that much since I have a pretty stable internet connection and don't have any boring work related traveling to do. That's the two times I would like to play offline, when I simple don't have my internet connection at hand.
If I wan't to play single player, I can just make my own private game and play alone all the time, it will be exactly the same thing as single player in D2 (provided I have a good internet connection).
However I know that some (not many) have very bad and unstable connections because of where they live, there is little to none they can do about it. If I had a connection that went down several times a day and a ping that was really high, I think I would have played offline instead, but this won't be possible.
Also if you made one strictly offline and one strictly online mode with a huge disclaimer saying its impossible to move anything between the two(as suggested before). I think (I have very little knowledge how a hacker works when trying to hack a game like D3) that it wouldn't be a problem, after all I have heard about Battle Net 2.0 it will be very hard to hack the online mode characters/items. The offline mode on the other hand will probably be teared to pieces, but that doesn't effect anyone, provided that the information gather from that isn't the deciding factor that makes them crack Bnet 2.0. And as I said I think that it wont be, but what do I know, can someone with insight comment on the risk of hacking Bnet 2.0 with versus without having access to the offline mode. Of course it will be higher with the offline mode, but will it be high enough for it to happen. I guess blizzard thinks so?
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Bashiok said this on D3 forums:
Official Blizzard Quote:
In addition to all the other benefits that we believe ultimately come from having everyone online such as an active, centralized community, a popular arena system, accessible character storage, etc. etc. Diablo III is built on a client/server architecture, which means not all the data for the game or mechanics reside on the client (your computer).
This is not too unlike World of Warcraft where the world itself, the art, the sounds, etc. are on your machine, but all of the NPC’s and enemies are controlled by the server. Diablo III doesn’t function in all of the exact same ways, but things like monster randomization, dungeon randomization, item drops, the outcomes of combat, among others, are all handled and verified by the client talking to the server, and vice versa.
We’ve learned a lot from this type of architecture from World of Warcraft, and the added security and oversight it provides. It allows a great deal of control over the game at all times for all players, so if we know there’s an issue or bug we can usually address it right then and there through a live hotfix. Hotfixes can’t be used for everything, we’re still going to have client patches, but we’re definitely looking forward to being able to deliver a consistently high quality experience to all players simultaneously through processes like hotfixes.
In addition there are some pretty intense security concerns. While there’s never a fool proof solution to stopping hack and cheats, we’ve found that a strict client/server architecture is a huge barrier for their development and use.
Ultimately we made the decision to make the game client/server based because of the security and quality it can provide to those playing, and as a bonus it reinforces a lot of our ideals for a thriving online community.
So I guess they are doing it for security reasons, but I also get the feeling that they skip offline because it will provide a whole lot extra work since they say allot of the things that happens in the game only happens on the server and never locally. So If they wanted to make a "offline client", it would have to be allot more advanced then the client we use for online play. Skipping this "offline client" probably makes D3 come sooner then with it, I guess that's a good thing!
it's a security thing so the $AH isnt taken advantage of. If there was an offline client hackers would eventually find a way to bring those chars on line and make like 10,000 a month (not saying that this still isnt a possible ammount of money to make cause it all depends on the market) But it'd be easier and rediculous if dupeing and hacking were involved.
I'd like an offline mode as an option, where you could not use those characters in the real game.
Will it effect me? No. When do I not have internet? Only when I'm on the road. So I really don't care, and it won't bother me. That said, I do not see why an offline-only mode is a problem. I wouldn't use it, but I'm sure somebody would.
it all stems from blizz protecting the real $ AH, if there was an offline mode hackers would dupe stuff and eventually bring it to the online mode regardless of security they put in place *not to allow offline to go online* Then they would make thousands a month off dupeing....eliminating the offline mode completely prevents this.
I've played games online since 1996, maybe earlier. The fact that Diablo 3 requires i be online really means nothing to me. It's just another PC game related witch hunt that'll end as soon as D3 releases, or shortly after.
I'm sure the hitler videos will come out, the online petitions, the huge threads about the online component (all of which by the way are online only), but in the end, this too shall pass.
There is a vocal minority for everything online and blizzard titles tend to draw a wider assortment of players than most. It's no suprise then, we get mega-threads over things as insignificant as "which pvp mode do you like?" and "online only," which in practice won't effect the gameplay of the vast majority one iota.
I honestly don't understand what motivates people to rage about such trivial issues, but you can rest assured someone will make even the smallest mole-hill into everest.
in general i think people rage over it to pass the time till the game releases...it annoys them or it doesnt annoy them and they want to troll just to see how big they can push the thread and sit down in bordum and read all the comments and opinions to make the days go by quicker till there treasured game comes out
Unless "you are sheep," is a valid explanation, ofc.
fanboy == sheep , so to anyone that is overly positive about EVERY decision that blizzard makes, its kind of a given. To that effect, you are a sheep. I've yet to seen you complain about a single feature/change announced about the game thus far.
Is there *anything* you have seen that you don't like so far? And this is a serious question, as I'm already expecting you to type something that you think is witty like "I don't like having to read posts from people like you because of the changes". And to not be a hypocrite, things I'm looking forward to: Runeword system changed, Skill system looks like a good change of pace (especially if hotswapping skills is viable mid-combat). Feel free to post a link to another thread/blog/profile if you already addressed this question elsewhere and don't wanna clog this thread. Sheep.
just because someone likes all the decisions and they feed into the way they want to play the game, and they find nothing wrong with it doesnt mean they are fanboys and or sheep. Just means blizzard hit there target players in these people....its business...if your a business man are you gonna make a product geared to grab 5% of a community or you gonna gear it towards the 95%? No brainer.
If speaking out doesn't change the company, it still has a better impact than remaining silent. I don't want all future games to apply this model and to kill offline, game freedom, and modding. So there's no way I'd shut up about it.
I have no problem with you voicing your opinion but even this small poll puts you in a small minority. I just don't see how Blizzard could considering upping their sales by 5% at a cost of losing possibly that same percent, maybe less though it would be worth mentioning that games are pirated in the millions when possible.
Now I know it may also be worth noting that if people like the game they may go and purchase a legitimate copy but most businesses don't agree with this model. In the end your point is valid and accepted but I think no matter how vocal you are their business model likely doesn't see a great rise in sales because of it.
I could care less about their sales, though. Good developpers promote their games and what their customers can do above their profit. But I'm not trying to get into that silly "but its a business" argument since the entire problem I have with this is based on the fact that they indeed ARE a business and act like most business. I mean, who cares if they lose a small percentage of profit at worse for making all their customers happy? But apparently, its insane to think companies care about you. They only care about profit. And that is assuming it would cause a loss.
Also, I really don't think the percentage of people is as low as a fan forum where people just love Blizzard would dictate. Thats just the nature of those forums.
again like most people who complain about subjects your doing so online, therefore you wont have an issue and can still play said game and probably still will regardless of what you write / type here. The people who dont have internet and cannot play this game ARE A SmALL MINORITY based in small mountain hick towns that have shit internet. Move.....find a local library/coffee shop that you can connect to. Not hard. "Deal with it groups" are right. Dont like it find another offline game to play Heroes of Might and Magic 6 comes out in September, Elderscrolls 5 Skyrim in November, and Plethora of other games to keep your time if your so adamantaly going to play offline. Also just like they have made WoW closed servers for Vanilla gameplay i gaurantee there will be illegal closed servers of offline Diablo 3....have a nice day ....and go slit your wrists or something if this really causes such a huge problem for you. You obviously spend alot of time on the internet anyways so its not a big deal. Go to your little hippy hang out smoke your ganja and talk with all your artsy friends about how cool you are and how your REBELING against THE MAN!!!! lol cause thats exactly who you remind me of....some punk kid who wasted there parents college fund on ART school and did nothing with there life, and works in a bank making $10 bucks an hour like my friend josh who also thinks hes 100% right about everything and sticking it to THE MAN ....
it's a security thing so the $AH isnt taken advantage of. If there was an offline client hackers would eventually find a way to bring those chars on line and make like 10,000 a month (not saying that this still isnt a possible ammount of money to make cause it all depends on the market) But it'd be easier and rediculous if dupeing and hacking were involved.
Well best of luck to you who seems to be determined to be stuck in the past 13 years ago. Enjoy D2 and your precious mods while the rest of us live in the present and enjoy a much improved sequel.
How do you know Diablo 3 is going to be so much better? Just because it is a newer game will not make it better, as Hans said many hyped sequels have been busts.
I voted that I am angry about Diablo 3 being online only, but i will still buy it.
This option really sums up how i feel about several of the latest pieces of information Blizzard has released, but I am interested enough in the lore of diablo to find out what happens, and even if the game is mediocre, playing through it would be more fun than just reading a plot summary of the game or something.
Although I doubt the game will end up being mediocre. The game itself looks fun, I can just not deal with the RMAH if I choose not to, having to be online will be an annoyance, but it is not awful and if they release content patches or expansions often enough that I wont miss the lack of mods.
Sure, but I have yet to be disappointed with a Blizzard product. I'd be willing to bet good money D3 will be the new standard for Action RPG's going forward (much like D2 was for it's time)
Mostly all games these days have some kind of link to the internet. Without it then piraters could easily play the game for free. I in-fact prefer it this way. Because without it I believe that bots and cheaters could infest the game.
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Mods can co-exists depending on the mod.
I do know that there can be issues with the auction house but like I stated Blizzard could have an editor and make mods only available through battle-net. They can control on what mods would be available. If you play a mod that has made changes to items then the character would not be allowed in the auction house.
I will not go further in this since it looks like my ideas or opinions are in the minority here.
HAHAHAHAHA, THIS X 100000
U mad bro? +1 for -1 less bad in Diablo 3. Cya
Just because you do not see how it hurts you ("You" meaning "arsonal3") does not mean that it doesn't hurt you.
There is a long list of mods for WoW that eventually became part of the game itself. There is a long list of mods for Diablo 2 that are now part of Diablo 3. There is a long list of mods in Diablo 3 that...wait nevermind.
But then again people ("People" referencing the forum in general, not gamers in general.) are just so happy to get the fabled Diablo 3 that they don't care what state the game is in.
And you cannot run a computer if you don't have electricity.
(Yea, I get what you were trying to say, but you don't need internet to run a computer.)
Many sequels to a game have been busts after being hyped up and such.
I will wait and see when D3 is released. D3 is just a game and it is something I do not need. I still have D2 and the mods I play.
Well best of luck to you who seems to be determined to be stuck in the past 13 years ago. Enjoy D2 and your precious mods while the rest of us live in the present and enjoy a much improved sequel.
Not really. I never bought an original game in my life. I was going to buy Diablo 3 because I respected Blizzard, and I was satisfied with their work. Right now, if I can't pirate it I won't play it.
How do you know Diablo 3 is going to be so much better? Just because it is a newer game will not make it better, as Hans said many hyped sequels have been busts.
I voted that I am angry about Diablo 3 being online only, but i will still buy it.
This option really sums up how i feel about several of the latest pieces of information Blizzard has released, but I am interested enough in the lore of diablo to find out what happens, and even if the game is mediocre, playing through it would be more fun than just reading a plot summary of the game or something.
Although I doubt the game will end up being mediocre. The game itself looks fun, I can just not deal with the RMAH if I choose not to, having to be online will be an annoyance, but it is not awful and if they release content patches or expansions often enough that I wont miss the lack of mods.
it's a security thing so the $AH isnt taken advantage of. If there was an offline client hackers would eventually find a way to bring those chars on line and make like 10,000 a month (not saying that this still isnt a possible ammount of money to make cause it all depends on the market) But it'd be easier and rediculous if dupeing and hacking were involved.
it all stems from blizz protecting the real $ AH, if there was an offline mode hackers would dupe stuff and eventually bring it to the online mode regardless of security they put in place *not to allow offline to go online* Then they would make thousands a month off dupeing....eliminating the offline mode completely prevents this.
in general i think people rage over it to pass the time till the game releases...it annoys them or it doesnt annoy them and they want to troll just to see how big they can push the thread and sit down in bordum and read all the comments and opinions to make the days go by quicker till there treasured game comes out
just because someone likes all the decisions and they feed into the way they want to play the game, and they find nothing wrong with it doesnt mean they are fanboys and or sheep. Just means blizzard hit there target players in these people....its business...if your a business man are you gonna make a product geared to grab 5% of a community or you gonna gear it towards the 95%? No brainer.
again like most people who complain about subjects your doing so online, therefore you wont have an issue and can still play said game and probably still will regardless of what you write / type here. The people who dont have internet and cannot play this game ARE A SmALL MINORITY based in small mountain hick towns that have shit internet. Move.....find a local library/coffee shop that you can connect to. Not hard. "Deal with it groups" are right. Dont like it find another offline game to play Heroes of Might and Magic 6 comes out in September, Elderscrolls 5 Skyrim in November, and Plethora of other games to keep your time if your so adamantaly going to play offline. Also just like they have made WoW closed servers for Vanilla gameplay i gaurantee there will be illegal closed servers of offline Diablo 3....have a nice day ....and go slit your wrists or something if this really causes such a huge problem for you. You obviously spend alot of time on the internet anyways so its not a big deal. Go to your little hippy hang out smoke your ganja and talk with all your artsy friends about how cool you are and how your REBELING against THE MAN!!!! lol cause thats exactly who you remind me of....some punk kid who wasted there parents college fund on ART school and did nothing with there life, and works in a bank making $10 bucks an hour like my friend josh who also thinks hes 100% right about everything and sticking it to THE MAN ....
Nice combo-breaker.
Someone had to do it. The poor guy was talking to himself.
You really don't put much time into your posts.
Sure, but I have yet to be disappointed with a Blizzard product. I'd be willing to bet good money D3 will be the new standard for Action RPG's going forward (much like D2 was for it's time)