I lost one of my best friends to weed usage, smoking 4 blunts a day for years, dried up his brains and what not, i myself havent got a massive experience with drugs.
No disrespect to you or your friend, but this is false. I'm fine with listening to people criticize marijuana for it's psychological addiction (anything can be psychologically addicting), their own morals, or anything along those lines. But the fact is your friend's brain did not "dry out." The most you could've hoped to catch a break on with a forum such as this is that he might've had a black lung, and even that is impossible. I believe Harvard Medical is still paying a large sum of money for evidence that marijuana is capable of such a feat. You can buy dirty drugs from sketchy people, so maybe you should look at who your friend was buying from if you truly believe the marijuana killed him.
1. I don't like sneaking around. If it's illegal then you will have to do it secretly... therefore not worth the risk for me. People might say "Oh you'll be fine, they don't care"... but I'm always the guy that gets caught lol.
Lol@doing drugs secretly.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
Lol@you thinking it's about having a bad life and wanting to alter it or make it better through the use of drugs. That is the most ill conceived naive opinion about drugs, one that is shared by tons of other people, and one that is very annoying. Your mathematician friend is sadly ... not smart. When you smoke weed simply to smoke weed, slack around and act like an idiot, you're the stereotype everyone slaps on people who smoke weed. MANY people smoke weed, go out, accomplish things, and do so even better because it makes you more creative.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
Lol@you thinking you're not in control of your body when you know how much, how, what, where...etc to take drugs. Again, you don't know anything about the subject because you haven't tried any of them, therefore you can't judge, and I'm not blaming you or insulting you by saying so.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
Anyway... onetwo out.
GhostLoad pretty much sums up my answers to you, Salvation. I'm answering you assuming you're not a troll...
I don't know why you keep @lolling, because your answers that follow the lol are somewhat off (again as GhostLoad takes issue with almost everything you say... as do I).
1. I don't know how you do drugs 'non secretly' as your 'lol' implies. If it's illegal, regardless of how harmless it is, then you're not in the open, free to do it at your will. Therefore you will have to do it in some form of secrecy. Please point out the failure in my logic on this one (that your lol implied).
2. Are we agreeing here? Did you even read my post? I said my friend was very smart and smokes weed. Then you say he's not smart and then disagree with me. I don't get what you're doing. Troll? Anyway, a lot of people that do smoke weed appear dumb and slow, that's a fact. But what I was saying is that my friend was the first time I saw anyone around me that was intelligent AND also smoked weed.
As for the other part of #2 about a bad life = drugs to make it better... that's not what I was implying. I meant that I just don't feel the need to try or do any drugs regardless of how safe or common. I have an addictive personality so it's much better I just don't do it.
3. I might not have merit in talking about drugs or alcohol as you say, but I think we can all agree that there is a good chance I will not have the same control under portions of alcohol or certain drugs.
I guess I just find it hard to sympathize with the crowd biased towards "drugs = okay", ie Salvation (ignore marijuana when I say drugs). When you look at the downtown eastside here in Van (which I used to go through almost every day), it's pretty sad. Basically just several blocks of people wandering/standing around, some of which are completely out of their minds... thanks to you know what (and let's also not forget alcohol is at fault here too). Perfectly good people who just got into bad circumstances I guess... but ultimately drugs and alcohol are the 2 things keeping them there.
It doesn't matter if YOU'RE fine doing drugs moderately and it 'enriched' your life or w/e... but it didn't do that for a lot of others, and actually caused a lot of damage. You might say that 'those are just a fringe group of extremist drug users'... but based on what I've witnessed here personally, it's not really a fringe :/
There really isn't any evidence that drugs can better your life beyond possibly using marijuana to treat a handful of conditions. Really needing drugs to "better" your life implies that there is something wrong with you that you need an outside stimulant to fix. Bettering your life and seeing the world in a new way should be done without the use of stimulant in my opinion. Anything gained from drugs would be sort of fickle and less meaningful.
I also don't believe in a functional junky, but that's because junky implies someone really hooked on drugs and that's not functional.
I do think people should have the right to shove whatever substance they want into their veins or down their throat though.
There really isn't any evidence that drugs can better your life beyond possibly using marijuana to treat a handful of conditions. Really needing drugs to "better" your life implies that there is something wrong with you that you need an outside stimulant to fix. Bettering your life and seeing the world in a new way should be done without the use of stimulant in my opinion. Anything gained from drugs would be sort of fickle and less meaningful.
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
I do think people should have the right to shove whatever substance they want into their veins or down their throat though.
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
Well I'm mainly a libertarian so that makes sense. I don't really want people to go killing themselves from it but it's their personal right in my opinion. Also people are killing themselves with drugs anyways. I doubt legalizing it would create a surge of drug related deaths.
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
Well I'm mainly a libertarian so that makes sense. I don't really want people to go killing themselves from it but it's their personal right in my opinion. Also people are killing themselves with drugs anyways. I doubt legalizing it would create a surge of drug related deaths.
Ah, I'd like idiots to go kill themselves if they wanted, so they can't reproduce etc etc. If they could prove drug related deaths would go up if all drugs were legalized, I'd be behind it.
PS, alcohol kills more than every drug combined. look it up.
Don't misunderstand this as rude but; provide some factual data or take your comment over to the heaping pile of other ridiculous bullshit statistics.
He's right though?
PS: Stephen Colbert avatar is ironic considering how liberal he actually is out of character.
No, that's how it works with baseless claims, whatever he's saying is bullshit unless he has some actual evidence to back it up. If I had to put my money on it, there's no data to back up his statement, thus it would be utter bullshit.
P.S. - It's supposed to be ironic, considering how much more enjoyable I find his character rather than his real personality.
There really isn't any evidence that drugs can better your life beyond possibly using marijuana to treat a handful of conditions. Really needing drugs to "better" your life implies that there is something wrong with you that you need an outside stimulant to fix. Bettering your life and seeing the world in a new way should be done without the use of stimulant in my opinion. Anything gained from drugs would be sort of fickle and less meaningful.
I also don't believe in a functional junky, but that's because junky implies someone really hooked on drugs and that's not functional.
I do think people should have the right to shove whatever substance they want into their veins or down their throat though.
Have you ever taken any drug? Have you ever read how DNA amplification technology was developed? Have you ever seen a Dali painting? Have you ever experienced life altering experiences as the ones you experience while on aci...oh wait, you haven't tried anything, yet you think you can judge it.
It doesn't imply anything. You're just trying to justify an almost universal fact which is "drugs are bad, my dear child", propagated unto every generation, which is further indoctrinated with the views of those who are in control, who happen to be the people who stand to lose the most if drugs became legal.
Try drugs, then tell me anything gained from them would be "sort of fickle and less meaningful". Since I've started trying out different stuff (note the vast difference between "trying" and "using"), I have change drastically, and to the better, at least in my own eyes.
1. I don't like sneaking around. If it's illegal then you will have to do it secretly... therefore not worth the risk for me. People might say "Oh you'll be fine, they don't care"... but I'm always the guy that gets caught lol.
Lol@doing drugs secretly.
2. My life's good enough that I don't feel I need to alter it. I don't drink either. I do know a friend (and VERY smart one, mathematics degree etc) who has been trying weed for a few years and informed me that basically the 'dummy' persona associated with marijuana is because the people are already 'slow'.
Lol@you thinking it's about having a bad life and wanting to alter it or make it better through the use of drugs. That is the most ill conceived naive opinion about drugs, one that is shared by tons of other people, and one that is very annoying. Your mathematician friend is sadly ... not smart. When you smoke weed simply to smoke weed, slack around and act like an idiot, you're the stereotype everyone slaps on people who smoke weed. MANY people smoke weed, go out, accomplish things, and do so even better because it makes you more creative.
3. I like to be in control of my body 100% of the time. I don't get put to sleep at dentists, and I've never had to be put to sleep at a hospital yet... so this is also a major reason for no drugs/alcohol interest on my part.
Lol@you thinking you're not in control of your body when you know how much, how, what, where...etc to take drugs. Again, you don't know anything about the subject because you haven't tried any of them, therefore you can't judge, and I'm not blaming you or insulting you by saying so.
4. As for the discussion about alcohol vs drugs, I kind of have to agree. As a partaker of neither (and therefore unbiased?), my observation is that it is strange to see alcohol so widely embraced, yet even the lightest of drugs (weed?) are demonized. People just go with the flow I guess... and the flow says drugs are bad mmkay.
Speaking of going with the flow, just remembering last year's Vancouver riots... it's stunning to see what these people did (I was away from Van during the riots, but caught it on the world news), and suddenly later when they get caught they cry and beg forgiveness. Like wtf, we live a pretty good lifestyle in Vancouver, no need to break in to bestbuy and steal $20 worth of stuff to get a high-five from your goon-buddy.
Anyway... onetwo out.
GhostLoad pretty much sums up my answers to you, Salvation. I'm answering you assuming you're not a troll...
I don't know why you keep @lolling, because your answers that follow the lol are somewhat off (again as GhostLoad takes issue with almost everything you say... as do I).
1. I don't know how you do drugs 'non secretly' as your 'lol' implies. If it's illegal, regardless of how harmless it is, then you're not in the open, free to do it at your will. Therefore you will have to do it in some form of secrecy. Please point out the failure in my logic on this one (that your lol implied).
I don't consider anyone taking drugs in the comfort of their own home or their friends' as "hiding". Who the fuck wants to smoke weed in the middle of the street? Who the fuck wants to take E and go to the movies? Who the fuck wants to shoot up and take a walk? Who the fuck wants to take acid and go to class? Who the fuck wants to do coke in front of everyone while he can do it in the bathroom just as easily, seeing as how snorting isn't a fun thing to do whilst other people are watching, anyway? There's a difference between "doing something in secrecy" and doing something in its place, which happens to be away from prying eyes.
2. Are we agreeing here? Did you even read my post? I said my friend was very smart and smokes weed. Then you say he's not smart and then disagree with me. I don't get what you're doing. Troll? Anyway, a lot of people that do smoke weed appear dumb and slow, that's a fact. But what I was saying is that my friend was the first time I saw anyone around me that was intelligent AND also smoked weed.
Then you know the wrong kind of smokers. Your problem, not weeds'.
As for the other part of #2 about a bad life = drugs to make it better... that's not what I was implying. I meant that I just don't feel the need to try or do any drugs regardless of how safe or common. I have an addictive personality so it's much better I just don't do it.
You could've said that from the beginning and saved us all a headache.
3. I might not have merit in talking about drugs or alcohol as you say, but I think we can all agree that there is a good chance I will not have the same control under portions of alcohol or certain drugs.
You could've said that from the beginning and saved us all a headache.
I guess I just find it hard to sympathize with the crowd biased towards "drugs = okay", ie Salvation (ignore marijuana when I say drugs). When you look at the downtown eastside here in Van (which I used to go through almost every day), it's pretty sad. Basically just several blocks of people wandering/standing around, some of which are completely out of their minds... thanks to you know what (and let's also not forget alcohol is at fault here too). Perfectly good people who just got into bad circumstances I guess... but ultimately drugs and alcohol are the 2 things keeping them there.
Did I, anywhere in my posts, say that everyone should try every drug? Drugs obviously aren't for everyone, that's a die hard given. But when you take stuff like acid to have a different perspective on everything, you're not going to be like one of those people you described. You have a fundamental problem in differentiating whether the drugs are what makes a vulnerable person a junky, or is it his already present disposition towards junkiness that turned him into one, to add to his really bad sense of judgement and self control.
It doesn't matter if YOU'RE fine doing drugs moderately and it 'enriched' your life or w/e... but it didn't do that for a lot of others, and actually caused a lot of damage. You might say that 'those are just a fringe group of extremist drug users'... but based on what I've witnessed here personally, it's not really a fringe :/
Then you should meet that 20 or so people I know who are all successful, going places in life, and have been doing drugs for years and years. I guess, most of all, lol@you taking a small sample where you live and applying it to everything and everywhere else.
There really isn't any evidence that drugs can better your life beyond possibly using marijuana to treat a handful of conditions. Really needing drugs to "better" your life implies that there is something wrong with you that you need an outside stimulant to fix. Bettering your life and seeing the world in a new way should be done without the use of stimulant in my opinion. Anything gained from drugs would be sort of fickle and less meaningful.
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
I do think people should have the right to shove whatever substance they want into their veins or down their throat though.
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
Do you have any clue how hypocritical that all sounds? God (or whatever you believe in, if anything, but I'm guessing you do believe in God) created marijuana, he created everything from which we obtain drugs..why shouldn't I have the choice to use anything existing on this planet? Who are YOU, or any form of authority, to tell me what I should and shouldn't subject my body to? Why are alcohol and tobacco legal, when combined, they are responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths every year? Why isn't tobacco illegal when its mere consumption in places where there are other (non-smoking) people is harmful? Why are they forcing me not to do and take certain things whilst hiding behind silly meaningless pseudo-concerns?
In 2009, 10,839 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (32%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
Of the 1,314 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2009, 181 (14%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
Of the 181 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2009, about half (92) were riding in the vehicle with the with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
In 2009, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's less than one percent of the 147 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.5 "
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
Here's a great example of the ignorance surrounding pot.
You know prescription drugs also don't help glaucoma at all, right? Both pot and prescription drugs are nothing more than a temporary treatment, so what's your point? Because prescription drugs are so depended on, and socially accepted that it's okay to be ignorant about it?
You should do some research on prescription drugs sometime, or watch TV and listen to the 3 minute commercial on <insert prescription drug> where 2:45 of the commercial is listing the side effects and issues that can be caused by them. Let alone the slowly progression organ damage (mostly, stomach) that can occur by using prescription drugs too much (appropriate point to make for an ailment like glaucoma where you'll be taking them for the rest of your life).
Then do some research on pot and come back and tell me which is better for your body.
Simply put, prescription drugs are more harmful than most controlled substances, *especially* pot. But everyone turns a blind eye towards that fact, because unlike controlled substances, you've been convinced that they're good. Some of them can be helpful of course, but in this example I'd much rather smoke a few joints to temporarily ease glaucoma than take prescription drugs for the exact same effect. Pots effects are also immediate, unlike a pill.
This is assuming that you aren't abusing the hell out of it. Pot is smoke. It creates tar and residue inside your lungs, much like a cigarette (albeit, contains significantly less toxins). It's not like pot is "healthy for you", but moderation is key like anything.
Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
What a dumb comment. Why would anyone legalize everything? At least pretend like you're not a narrowminded fool without a shred of common sense in this discussion.
Go do some research on any country where pot is de-criminalized to the point of social acceptance (I say that, because there isn't a single country where it is truly, fully "legal". No, not even Netherlands), and compare drug crimes, abuse and related deaths per capita... you'll quickly see that most, of not all nations have significantly less problems with these than countries where it's outright banned.
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
Well I'm mainly a libertarian so that makes sense. I don't really want people to go killing themselves from it but it's their personal right in my opinion. Also people are killing themselves with drugs anyways. I doubt legalizing it would create a surge of drug related deaths.
Ah, I'd like idiots to go kill themselves if they wanted, so they can't reproduce etc etc. If they could prove drug related deaths would go up if all drugs were legalized, I'd be behind it.
PS, alcohol kills more than every drug combined. look it up.
Don't misunderstand this as rude but; provide some factual data or take your comment over to the heaping pile of other ridiculous bullshit statistics.
He's right though?
PS: Stephen Colbert avatar is ironic considering how liberal he actually is out of character.
No, that's how it works with baseless claims, whatever he's saying is bullshit unless he has some actual evidence to back it up. If I had to put my money on it, there's no data to back up his statement, thus it would be utter bullshit.
P.S. - It's supposed to be ironic, considering how much more enjoyable I find his character rather than his real personality.
If you find you relate to/enjoy the character he portrays, that scares me. This is why the world outside the U.S thinks every single republican is bat shit crazy. They all tend to scare the shit out of us. If the actual dangerous synthetic drugs were legalized and death rates related to them climbed; such would it be. To take pride in the thought of it though...
This is assuming that you aren't abusing the hell out of it. Pot is smoke. It creates tar and residue inside your lungs, much like a cigarette (albeit, contains significantly less toxins). It's not like pot is "healthy for you", but moderation is key like anything.
This is correct. If you smoke marijuana, you are inhaling burning plant matter. Even without the tar this is bad in large quantities. The solution is to vaporize, in which the health risk factors are significantly reduced. Still, a black lung has never been produced in relation to marijuana alone, no matter how it is consumed.
No, that's how it works with baseless claims, whatever he's saying is bullshit unless he has some actual evidence to back it up. If I had to put my money on it, there's no data to back up his statement, thus it would be utter bullshit.
Considering what he said is a fairly well-known fact and has been for years, I'm not sure how you COULDN'T know this.
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
Here's a great example of the ignorance surrounding pot.
You know prescription drugs also don't help glaucoma at all, right? Both pot and prescription drugs are nothing more than a temporary treatment, so what's your point? Because prescription drugs are so depended on, and socially accepted that it's okay to be ignorant about it?
Umm, Glaucoma is usually treatable with eye drops.
You should do some research on prescription drugs sometime, or watch TV and listen to the 3 minute commercial on <insert prescription drug> where 2:45 of the commercial is listing the side effects and issues that can be caused by them. Let alone the slowly progression organ damage (mostly, stomach) that can occur by using prescription drugs too much (appropriate point to make for an ailment like glaucoma where you'll be taking them for the rest of your life).
I'm not even sure what to say here....basing your thoughts about prescription drugs on a tv commercial is quite funny though.
Then do some research on pot and come back and tell me which is better for your body.
So....tv commercials are research now...? Of course prescription drugs have side effects. However, you are comparing something that may lessen the pain vs a potential cure. Depending upon the disease, this decision is an easy one. How often are those side effects actually realized in a patient? How often are the side effects worse than what the drug is being used to cure? How bad are the side effects? To lump every single prescription drug into the same category is absurd.
How is anything that you said any less "ignorant" (your word, not mine) than what he posted? He simply said marijuana doesn't cure glaucoma, which is 100% true.
Good luck taking any antiviral medication, where you will be treating your HIV/herpes/whatever, then ending up with liver failure, kidney failure, and other acute symptoms.
*waits for "BUT HEROIN DOES WORSE!" and "I WANT TO SEE YOUR PROOF!" comments"
Where did I make the claim that I have never done any drugs? Maybe I'm a little biased because I've had bad past experiences with a select few drugs. I really didn't even make a claim any or most of them were "bad" I just don't think they really contribute anything to life that wouldn't be BETTER attained if you were off of drugs. If it weren't for me having children I'd probably still smoke pot.
I'm also very aware that a lot of it is propaganda and that if it was legalized it would put a damper in the government farming opium in Afghanistan and helping certain cartels ship cocaine across the border.
You could've said that from the beginning and saved us all a headache.
The only headache is trying to reply to such a jumbled up mess of quotes and comments that it's near impossible to even reply-post.
Edit: Sorry in advance for the multiple posts beneath this one. For some reason I couldn't reply to Salvation's previous post without the site bugging out on me, and in frustration I decided to just reply to the stuff I wanted to reply to with individual posts (as opposed to putting it all in 1 long multi-quoted post).
To all of those asking for proof, please enlighten yourselves on these threads. A simple google search provided all of the above links.
(EDIT before everyone says they are all pro MJ websites, please read the article from the CDC.gov)
I'll have to check them out. I'm blown away by how many people are alright with heresay and "well known" things. To question and demand evidence is the 1 thing everyone should do when confronted by information without data to support. Thanks for grabbing some links.
Good luck taking any antiviral medication, where you will be treating your HIV/herpes/whatever, then ending up with liver failure, kidney failure, and other acute symptoms.
*waits for "BUT HEROIN DOES WORSE!" and "I WANT TO SEE YOUR PROOF!" comments"
Yeah sorry to make you look like an asshole, since you're kind of being one, but do you have proof to back up your statement? Also, massive difference between heroin & antiviral medication. Want the most obvious distinction? Legality.
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
Here's a great example of the ignorance surrounding pot.
You know prescription drugs also don't help glaucoma at all, right? Both pot and prescription drugs are nothing more than a temporary treatment, so what's your point? Because prescription drugs are so depended on, and socially accepted that it's okay to be ignorant about it?
The if you are concerned with people getting better & overcoming their sicknesses you should be against using EITHER the current prescription drugs or marijuana. Neither are making the glaucoma better, so we should develop a different drug to actually take care of it. This is, of course, if the prescription drugs you mentioned aren't doing anything to help glaucoma. I haven't spent many hours researching those particular drugs so I can't personally say they're not working.
You should do some research on prescription drugs sometime, or watch TV and listen to the 3 minute commercial on <insert prescription drug> where 2:45 of the commercial is listing the side effects and issues that can be caused by them. Let alone the slowly progression organ damage (mostly, stomach) that can occur by using prescription drugs too much (appropriate point to make for an ailment like glaucoma where you'll be taking them for the rest of your life).
You must miss the word "possible" when the mention the side affects. You could take the drug and get NONE of the side affects, you know that right?
Simply put, prescription drugs are more harmful than most controlled substances, *especially* pot. But everyone turns a blind eye towards that fact, because unlike controlled substances, you've been convinced that they're good. Some of them can be helpful of course, but in this example I'd much rather smoke a few joints to temporarily ease glaucoma than take prescription drugs for the exact same effect. Pots effects are also immediate, unlike a pill.
Simply put, controlled substances are illegal. This entire thread is about the stigma of drugs, not the rationale behind the legalization of prescription medication V.S. the illegality of controlled substances. People are getting wildly off topic here.
Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
What a dumb comment. Why would anyone legalize everything? At least pretend like you're not a narrowminded fool without a shred of common sense in this discussion.
There's nothing narrow-minded or foolish about being a libertarian, who believes that there shouldn't be any illegal substances. It's called personal responsibility. If you have no illegal substances then everyone is held liable for what they take, and if you die from it then it's your fault for not looking into what you're ingesting.
Go do some research on any country where pot is de-criminalized to the point of social acceptance (I say that, because there isn't a single country where it is truly, fully "legal". No, not even Netherlands), and compare drug crimes, abuse and related deaths per capita... you'll quickly see that most, of not all nations have significantly less problems with these than countries where it's outright banned.
No one said that isn't true, not-a-once. What people don't want is (as far as from what I've heard) an easier access by children to get a hold of things like marijuana, along with a plethora of other worries if weed is legalized.
If you find you relate to/enjoy the character he portrays, that scares me. This is why the world outside the U.S thinks every single republican is bat shit crazy. They all tend to scare the shit out of us. If the actual dangerous synthetic drugs were legalized and death rates related to them climbed; such would it be. To take pride in the thought of it though...
So you've never enjoyed anything but the righteous good-guy character in a movie? Oh come on now, you must be kidding me. It's enjoyable to watch, and quite funny. If you're scared over someone's sense of humor then I am deeply worried for you.
Also, let's make this easy for everyone to follow. If you stop caring about what other people think about you, especially when it's baseless, your life will be much more carefree.
You don't have to take pride in idiots dying, if you simply don't mind that idiots die doing idiotic things. Does it bother you if someone dies while masturbating because of auto-erotic asphyxiation? If not, do you take pride in it when someone dies while masturbating because of auto-erotic asphyxiation? Or rather, do you not care when idiots die doing idiotic things....?
Drug use is stigmatized like no other. Considering the side effects can be disastrous(addiction, adverse reaction, etc...), I suppose society's stance on the matter is understandable.
However it's more an alarmist-type of approach than anything. It just lumps all drug-users into one category and brand them with the 'evil' mark.
I had a rather similar opinion until I started traveling away from home and meeting people from different cultures or having a new outlook of life. Point is I have come to realize that drug use can form part of a healthy life.
With that said, i have never met someone taking heroin/crack for recreational use as having a balanced life(or a life at all).
So there are different people and there are different drugs.
As for me personally, drugs are not my thing. Never tried any. For some weird reason, I am not even curious about experiencing it.
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No disrespect to you or your friend, but this is false. I'm fine with listening to people criticize marijuana for it's psychological addiction (anything can be psychologically addicting), their own morals, or anything along those lines. But the fact is your friend's brain did not "dry out." The most you could've hoped to catch a break on with a forum such as this is that he might've had a black lung, and even that is impossible. I believe Harvard Medical is still paying a large sum of money for evidence that marijuana is capable of such a feat. You can buy dirty drugs from sketchy people, so maybe you should look at who your friend was buying from if you truly believe the marijuana killed him.
GhostLoad pretty much sums up my answers to you, Salvation. I'm answering you assuming you're not a troll...
I don't know why you keep @lolling, because your answers that follow the lol are somewhat off (again as GhostLoad takes issue with almost everything you say... as do I).
1. I don't know how you do drugs 'non secretly' as your 'lol' implies. If it's illegal, regardless of how harmless it is, then you're not in the open, free to do it at your will. Therefore you will have to do it in some form of secrecy. Please point out the failure in my logic on this one (that your lol implied).
2. Are we agreeing here? Did you even read my post? I said my friend was very smart and smokes weed. Then you say he's not smart and then disagree with me. I don't get what you're doing. Troll? Anyway, a lot of people that do smoke weed appear dumb and slow, that's a fact. But what I was saying is that my friend was the first time I saw anyone around me that was intelligent AND also smoked weed.
As for the other part of #2 about a bad life = drugs to make it better... that's not what I was implying. I meant that I just don't feel the need to try or do any drugs regardless of how safe or common. I have an addictive personality so it's much better I just don't do it.
3. I might not have merit in talking about drugs or alcohol as you say, but I think we can all agree that there is a good chance I will not have the same control under portions of alcohol or certain drugs.
I guess I just find it hard to sympathize with the crowd biased towards "drugs = okay", ie Salvation (ignore marijuana when I say drugs). When you look at the downtown eastside here in Van (which I used to go through almost every day), it's pretty sad. Basically just several blocks of people wandering/standing around, some of which are completely out of their minds... thanks to you know what (and let's also not forget alcohol is at fault here too). Perfectly good people who just got into bad circumstances I guess... but ultimately drugs and alcohol are the 2 things keeping them there.
It doesn't matter if YOU'RE fine doing drugs moderately and it 'enriched' your life or w/e... but it didn't do that for a lot of others, and actually caused a lot of damage. You might say that 'those are just a fringe group of extremist drug users'... but based on what I've witnessed here personally, it's not really a fringe :/
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I also don't believe in a functional junky, but that's because junky implies someone really hooked on drugs and that's not functional.
I do think people should have the right to shove whatever substance they want into their veins or down their throat though.
Just to make it clear, marijuana doesn't actually help glaucoma at all, it just relieves (temporarily) some of the pressure in the skull. Why smoke weed to not solve your medical issue when you can take medication prescribed my a doctor to actually do your eyes some good?
That's a libertarian point of view, and in a sense I kind of like it. Let's just go ahead and legalize everything and let the fucktards do hardcore drugs & kill themselves. Darwinism at it's finest.
Don't misunderstand this as rude but; provide some factual data or take your comment over to the heaping pile of other ridiculous bullshit statistics.
Well I'm mainly a libertarian so that makes sense. I don't really want people to go killing themselves from it but it's their personal right in my opinion. Also people are killing themselves with drugs anyways. I doubt legalizing it would create a surge of drug related deaths.
He's right though?
PS: Stephen Colbert avatar is ironic considering how liberal he actually is out of character.
Ah, I'd like idiots to go kill themselves if they wanted, so they can't reproduce etc etc. If they could prove drug related deaths would go up if all drugs were legalized, I'd be behind it.
No, that's how it works with baseless claims, whatever he's saying is bullshit unless he has some actual evidence to back it up. If I had to put my money on it, there's no data to back up his statement, thus it would be utter bullshit.
P.S. - It's supposed to be ironic, considering how much more enjoyable I find his character rather than his real personality.
Have you ever taken any drug? Have you ever read how DNA amplification technology was developed? Have you ever seen a Dali painting? Have you ever experienced life altering experiences as the ones you experience while on aci...oh wait, you haven't tried anything, yet you think you can judge it.
It doesn't imply anything. You're just trying to justify an almost universal fact which is "drugs are bad, my dear child", propagated unto every generation, which is further indoctrinated with the views of those who are in control, who happen to be the people who stand to lose the most if drugs became legal.
Try drugs, then tell me anything gained from them would be "sort of fickle and less meaningful". Since I've started trying out different stuff (note the vast difference between "trying" and "using"), I have change drastically, and to the better, at least in my own eyes.
Then you should meet that 20 or so people I know who are all successful, going places in life, and have been doing drugs for years and years. I guess, most of all, lol@you taking a small sample where you live and applying it to everything and everywhere else.
http://www.saferchoi...ent/view/24/53/
http://www.mjlegal.org/alctob.html
http://www.safercamp...-marijuana.html
http://www.huffingto...-_n_821900.html
http://en.wikipedia....-related_deaths
http://www.cdc.gov/m..._factsheet.html
http://www.rehab-pro...ana-vs-alcohol/
To all of those asking for proof, please enlighten yourselves on these threads. A simple google search provided all of the above links.
(EDIT before everyone says they are all pro MJ websites, please read the article from the CDC.gov)
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How big is the problem?
Here's a great example of the ignorance surrounding pot.
You know prescription drugs also don't help glaucoma at all, right? Both pot and prescription drugs are nothing more than a temporary treatment, so what's your point? Because prescription drugs are so depended on, and socially accepted that it's okay to be ignorant about it?
You should do some research on prescription drugs sometime, or watch TV and listen to the 3 minute commercial on <insert prescription drug> where 2:45 of the commercial is listing the side effects and issues that can be caused by them. Let alone the slowly progression organ damage (mostly, stomach) that can occur by using prescription drugs too much (appropriate point to make for an ailment like glaucoma where you'll be taking them for the rest of your life).
Then do some research on pot and come back and tell me which is better for your body.
Simply put, prescription drugs are more harmful than most controlled substances, *especially* pot. But everyone turns a blind eye towards that fact, because unlike controlled substances, you've been convinced that they're good. Some of them can be helpful of course, but in this example I'd much rather smoke a few joints to temporarily ease glaucoma than take prescription drugs for the exact same effect. Pots effects are also immediate, unlike a pill.
This is assuming that you aren't abusing the hell out of it. Pot is smoke. It creates tar and residue inside your lungs, much like a cigarette (albeit, contains significantly less toxins). It's not like pot is "healthy for you", but moderation is key like anything.
What a dumb comment. Why would anyone legalize everything? At least pretend like you're not a narrowminded fool without a shred of common sense in this discussion.
Go do some research on any country where pot is de-criminalized to the point of social acceptance (I say that, because there isn't a single country where it is truly, fully "legal". No, not even Netherlands), and compare drug crimes, abuse and related deaths per capita... you'll quickly see that most, of not all nations have significantly less problems with these than countries where it's outright banned.
If you find you relate to/enjoy the character he portrays, that scares me. This is why the world outside the U.S thinks every single republican is bat shit crazy. They all tend to scare the shit out of us. If the actual dangerous synthetic drugs were legalized and death rates related to them climbed; such would it be. To take pride in the thought of it though...
This is correct. If you smoke marijuana, you are inhaling burning plant matter. Even without the tar this is bad in large quantities. The solution is to vaporize, in which the health risk factors are significantly reduced. Still, a black lung has never been produced in relation to marijuana alone, no matter how it is consumed.
Considering what he said is a fairly well-known fact and has been for years, I'm not sure how you COULDN'T know this.
Umm, Glaucoma is usually treatable with eye drops.
I'm not even sure what to say here....basing your thoughts about prescription drugs on a tv commercial is quite funny though.
So....tv commercials are research now...? Of course prescription drugs have side effects. However, you are comparing something that may lessen the pain vs a potential cure. Depending upon the disease, this decision is an easy one. How often are those side effects actually realized in a patient? How often are the side effects worse than what the drug is being used to cure? How bad are the side effects? To lump every single prescription drug into the same category is absurd.
How is anything that you said any less "ignorant" (your word, not mine) than what he posted? He simply said marijuana doesn't cure glaucoma, which is 100% true.
*waits for "BUT HEROIN DOES WORSE!" and "I WANT TO SEE YOUR PROOF!" comments"
I'm also very aware that a lot of it is propaganda and that if it was legalized it would put a damper in the government farming opium in Afghanistan and helping certain cartels ship cocaine across the border.
The only headache is trying to reply to such a jumbled up mess of quotes and comments that it's near impossible to even reply-post.
Edit: Sorry in advance for the multiple posts beneath this one. For some reason I couldn't reply to Salvation's previous post without the site bugging out on me, and in frustration I decided to just reply to the stuff I wanted to reply to with individual posts (as opposed to putting it all in 1 long multi-quoted post).
I'll have to check them out. I'm blown away by how many people are alright with heresay and "well known" things. To question and demand evidence is the 1 thing everyone should do when confronted by information without data to support. Thanks for grabbing some links.
Yeah sorry to make you look like an asshole, since you're kind of being one, but do you have proof to back up your statement? Also, massive difference between heroin & antiviral medication. Want the most obvious distinction? Legality.
The if you are concerned with people getting better & overcoming their sicknesses you should be against using EITHER the current prescription drugs or marijuana. Neither are making the glaucoma better, so we should develop a different drug to actually take care of it. This is, of course, if the prescription drugs you mentioned aren't doing anything to help glaucoma. I haven't spent many hours researching those particular drugs so I can't personally say they're not working.
You must miss the word "possible" when the mention the side affects. You could take the drug and get NONE of the side affects, you know that right?
Simply put, controlled substances are illegal. This entire thread is about the stigma of drugs, not the rationale behind the legalization of prescription medication V.S. the illegality of controlled substances. People are getting wildly off topic here.
There's nothing narrow-minded or foolish about being a libertarian, who believes that there shouldn't be any illegal substances. It's called personal responsibility. If you have no illegal substances then everyone is held liable for what they take, and if you die from it then it's your fault for not looking into what you're ingesting.
No one said that isn't true, not-a-once. What people don't want is (as far as from what I've heard) an easier access by children to get a hold of things like marijuana, along with a plethora of other worries if weed is legalized.
So you've never enjoyed anything but the righteous good-guy character in a movie? Oh come on now, you must be kidding me. It's enjoyable to watch, and quite funny. If you're scared over someone's sense of humor then I am deeply worried for you.
Also, let's make this easy for everyone to follow. If you stop caring about what other people think about you, especially when it's baseless, your life will be much more carefree.
You don't have to take pride in idiots dying, if you simply don't mind that idiots die doing idiotic things. Does it bother you if someone dies while masturbating because of auto-erotic asphyxiation? If not, do you take pride in it when someone dies while masturbating because of auto-erotic asphyxiation? Or rather, do you not care when idiots die doing idiotic things....?
However it's more an alarmist-type of approach than anything. It just lumps all drug-users into one category and brand them with the 'evil' mark.
I had a rather similar opinion until I started traveling away from home and meeting people from different cultures or having a new outlook of life. Point is I have come to realize that drug use can form part of a healthy life.
With that said, i have never met someone taking heroin/crack for recreational use as having a balanced life(or a life at all).
So there are different people and there are different drugs.
As for me personally, drugs are not my thing. Never tried any. For some weird reason, I am not even curious about experiencing it.