Again, i don't see any gameplay difference if they added 2h repeating crossbows instead of those pistols crossbows. In the end you would have an option for a slow/strong and a weak/fast weapon, wich is the fundamental difference between dual wielding and 2h weapons.
And my point is not only realism. Other "unrealistric" features (like the super large inventory, unlimitted ammo, etc...) exist for the sake of gameplay and cause of the fact that those features have a small visual impact due those things only exist inside the game's interface. Unlike those, the pistol crossbows adds little/nothing to gameplay and have a dramatic visual impact because it appears at your character.
My point is that those pistol crossbows is an alien in the diablo's universe, both in terms of flavor and in terms of stetics. If you're playing D2 or reading the lagacy of blood novel, would you ever think of pistols crossbows ?
When you have an consolidated fantasy world any kind of change is delicate. The change needs a context, a background. This weapon type is outside the flavor standarts builded for decades. And the worst is that this dramatic change occurs only to add fancy visuals, something the diablo's universe never had and never needed.
If this is your argument, I don't understand why you don't just argue for three types of weapons, "Melee Weapon", "Ranged Weapon", and "Caster Weapon". You fight against having 1h crossbows but not about 1h swords or 1h maces or 1h axes?
Well, 1h crossbows add just about as much as 1h swords, 1h maces, and 1h axes. Just sayin'.
Edit: One more thing: It has nothing to do with realism or lack thereof. It has everything to do with fun, and with more options.
If you want realism, you are in the wrong genre, and the Diablo series is not for you.
You didn't get any of my points. 1h melee weapons have 0 visual impact because those things actually exist in the past games.
And who the fuck are you to tell me i'm in the wrong genre/frnchise ? Realism exist inside every fantasy world. It exist inside anything you think and creat.And If it don't it's because you suck and don't kno how to think and creat. Now I hope you know what the word realism means and don't come here with counter arguments like "demons don't exist, it breaks the realism" because this only shows how you don't have a idea of what you're talking about.
The first has a very obvious explanation. The Bowazon is very fast
The second has an equally obvious explanation. The Barbarian is very strong That is made quite obvious by his ability to slam enemies across the entire screen.
The third is regarding ammo, the ability for game characters to store stuff without even having pockets on their pants, which I have stated multiple times that I ignore because there is no good way to explain it. I have no problems accepting things if they can't be explained. But I do want an explanation if there is room for one.
So you make excuses for everything else, but stick with 1h crossbows?
Alright, here's an equally simplistic explination: The Demon Hunter simply reloads her crossbows so fast you can't see her doing it. If you accept firing 3 arrows a second, you can easily accept this explanation.
The only reason i I accept some stuff and deny others is because how the flavor is presented to me. Blizz explianed to me why the barbarian is so strong, why the wizard use magic and why the amazon can shoot that amount of arrows. For all those things theres is a consistent background,
The DH lack any kind of background to explain why she use such unconventional/stupid methods to hunt demons. Aim with two pistols instead of one is ALLWAYS worse, i don't see how the fuck a high heels can help her hunting down demons and the explaination of her shadow magic is inconsistent with everything we knew about sanctuary's oring of magic.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
Wheras somebody wearing a two foot mask uttering 'ooga booga' and making frogs fall from the sky and someone in a kung-fu movie robe shooting laser beams fit, right?
You didn't get any of my points. 1h melee weapons have 0 visual impact because those things actually exist in the past games.
And who the fuck are you to tell me i'm in the wrong genre/frnchise ? Realism exist inside every fantasy world. It exist inside anything you think and creat.And If it don't it's because you suck and don't kno how to think and creat. Now I hope you know what the word realism means and don't come here with counter arguments like "demons don't exist, it breaks the realism" because this only shows how you don't have a idea of what you're talking about.
The only reason i I accept some stuff and deny others is because how the flavor is presented to me. Blizz explianed to me why the barbarian is so strong, why the wizard use magic and why the amazon can shoot that amount of arrows. For all those things theres is a consistent background,
The DH lack any kind of background to explain why she use such unconventional/stupid methods to hunt demons. Aim with two pistols instead of one is ALLWAYS worse, i don't see how the fuck a high heels can help her hunting down demons and the explaination of her shadow magic is inconsistent with everything we knew about sanctuary's oring of magic.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
You know, you make excellent points, and I agree with you. The inclusion of dual 1h pistol crossbows has ruined Diablo 3 and nobody should buy it until Blizzard removes this travesty on the Diablo franchise.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
Wheras somebody wearing a two foot mask uttering 'ooga booga' and making frogs fall from the sky and someone in a kung-fu movie robe shooting laser beams fit, right?
Now you understand! Don't forget, the one hundred and twenty year old man makes perfect sense too. That damned dual crossbow wielder ruins the game for Mr Ooga Booga, Mr Kung-Fu man, and Mr Older Then Dirt.
All this talk about how duel crossbows are terrible, and impossible to use, you should comparing the other crazy things that other classes/skills of the DH do in contrast to using 2 crossbows. If you're going to boo about something not fitting the lore, or "realism" of the game than at least compare it with other extreme surrounding examples..
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” - Albert Einstein
You didn't get any of my points. 1h melee weapons have 0 visual impact because those things actually exist in the past games.
And who the fuck are you to tell me i'm in the wrong genre/frnchise ? Realism exist inside every fantasy world. It exist inside anything you think and creat.And If it don't it's because you suck and don't kno how to think and creat. Now I hope you know what the word realism means and don't come here with counter arguments like "demons don't exist, it breaks the realism" because this only shows how you don't have a idea of what you're talking about.
The only reason i I accept some stuff and deny others is because how the flavor is presented to me. Blizz explianed to me why the barbarian is so strong, why the wizard use magic and why the amazon can shoot that amount of arrows. For all those things theres is a consistent background,
The DH lack any kind of background to explain why she use such unconventional/stupid methods to hunt demons. Aim with two pistols instead of one is ALLWAYS worse, i don't see how the fuck a high heels can help her hunting down demons and the explaination of her shadow magic is inconsistent with everything we knew about sanctuary's oring of magic.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
You know, you make excellent points, and I agree with you. The inclusion of dual 1h pistol crossbows has ruined Diablo 3 and nobody should buy it until Blizzard removes this travesty on the Diablo franchise.
ROFL. Nice way to run out of arguments and try to end the discussion being the smart ass.
The thing about one hand axes and swords is because of balance and strength. Barbs are strong and big. all he does with those weapon is smashing and hacking someone. same thing with crossbows. I'm SURE he can hold one on each hand.... To whack someone with it. Thats not firing and reloading. Unless you move at the speed of sound; you can technical "drop" the xbows, feed the bolts in, and catch it back in your hand every time you need to reload.
ROFL. Nice way to run out of arguments and try to end the discussion being the smart ass.
Incorrect. I didn't run out of arguments, just got tired of people going "Nu huh!" and then metaphorically sticking fingers in their ears. I do apologize, but if people refuse to even think about it, there's no point for me to point out facts.
ROFL. Nice way to run out of arguments and try to end the discussion being the smart ass.
Incorrect. I didn't run out of arguments, just got tired of people going "Nu huh!" and then metaphorically sticking fingers in their ears. I do apologize, but if people refuse to even think about it, there's no point for me to point out facts.
Noone is doing "nu nuh"!. And the only one refusing to think about it is you since I made my point perfectly clear and you showed no response but aggression.
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
Well, you could really easily compare the gameplay (At least, the gameplay that we have seen) to the Amazon in the same sense as the Barbarian compared to the Warrior.
And if you do that, the speed really isn't a factor. The only problem I would have would be the recoil, which, while there is a minuscule amount, nothing anywhere remotely near what a firearm may have.
Noone is doing "nu nuh"!. And the only one refusing to think about it is you since I made my point perfectly clear and you showed no response but aggression.
I believe you may need to re-read the thread. It may help you remember what was said.
Noone is doing "nu nuh"!. And the only one refusing to think about it is you since I made my point perfectly clear and you showed no response but aggression.
I believe you may need to re-read the thread. It may help you remember what was said.
Can you quote what i need to re read ? Cause i can't find "what was said".
All this talk about how duel crossbows are terrible, and impossible to use, you should comparing the other crazy things that other classes/skills of the DH do in contrast to using 2 crossbows. If you're going to boo about something not fitting the lore, or "realism" of the game than at least compare it with other extreme surrounding examples..
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
QFT
Really, I don't know why people are so hung up on DH dual-wielding crossbows. For one, its a game there are plenty of things unrealistic that make less sense than auto-reloading crossbows. If they have the knowledge and ability to use traps, why would DH's having the ability to have auto-reloading crossbows be so unrealistic. Also they dabble in shadow magic which could be another reason why its possible.
All this talk about how duel crossbows are terrible, and impossible to use, you should comparing the other crazy things that other classes/skills of the DH do in contrast to using 2 crossbows. If you're going to boo about something not fitting the lore, or "realism" of the game than at least compare it with other extreme surrounding examples..
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
QFT
Really, I don't know why people are so hung up on DH dual-wielding crossbows. For one, its a game there are plenty of things unrealistic that make less sense than auto-reloading crossbows. If they have the knowledge and ability to use traps, why would DH's having the ability to have auto-reloading crossbows be so unrealistic. Also they dabble in shadow magic which could be another reason why its possible.
QFT...
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
.. You do understand you're arguing logic, about magic.. Right?
I respect opinions, but you're arguing logic, about magic in a fairytale universe, in a game. :wacko:
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” - Albert Einstein
But yeah seriously, like I said earlier Ryu, it's a game, I was just giving reasons how reloading DW crossbows would work realistically for Ophion and others who were upset about how a character would reload dual-wield crossbows for Demon Hunter. I myself love the idea, but yeah I can see how people wouldn't agree with me. The reason I love the idea is that it's a new twist on ranged based classes instead of the old choice of bow and crossbows in D2 (javelins were dual wielded and I loved my javazon). I think that the DW crossbows adds character to the Demon Hunter class, adds to the classes vengeful, kill every demon in sight essence. I mean really? Dual Crossbows is an awsome idea imo, i cant wait
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
.. You do understand you're arguing logic, about magic.. Right?
I respect opinions, but you're arguing logic, about magic in a fairytale universe, in a game. :wacko:
What are you two talking about? I argue that when you guys say thing like using magic to reload; your're not using logic at all. I'm talking blizzard and some souls out there aren't using logic at all.
Crossbows are mechanic device. You can't change the way they function, unless you change the design. Crossbows uses a string of something and projectile like bolt are fed into the xbows. This maybe a fantasy game, but lets not making things without a sense of how things work.
Even magic have their limitations. I'm sure you can manipulate some form of energy into that bolts crafted from the bones of demons to produce dire effects. The absolute basic of xbows is pretty much can sum into two functions.
1. To hold the projectile
2. to fire the projectile. (and yes, amazon magic shot is considered; using mana/magic to form a physical-energy projectile)
This is pure logic here. Magic effects after whatever the projectile the xbows fires. Read the amazon lore.
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
.. You do understand you're arguing logic, about magic.. Right?
I respect opinions, but you're arguing logic, about magic in a fairytale universe, in a game. :wacko:
What are you two talking about? I argue that when you guys say thing like using magic to reload; your're not using logic at all. I'm talking blizzard and some souls out there aren't using logic at all.
Crossbows are mechanic device. You can't change the way they function, unless you change the design. Crossbows uses a string of something and projectile like bolt are fed into the xbows. This maybe a fantasy game, but lets not making things without a sense of how things work.
Even magic have their limitations. I'm sure you can manipulate some form of energy into that bolts crafted from the bones of demons to produce dire effects. The absolute basic of xbows is pretty much can sum into two functions.
1. To hold the projectile
2. to fire the projectile. (and yes, amazon magic shot is considered; using mana/magic to form a physical-energy projectile)
This is pure logic here. Magic effects after whatever the projectile the xbows fires. Read the amazon lore.
Dude when I said that they used shadow magic it was just a suggestion, it was stated last for a reason. I was actually more leaning towards the fact that they have knowledge of weapons and traps and could rig a crossbow to auto reload. I hate making a reference to WoW on a Diablo forum but as I recall...no one freaked out when hunters ammo was taken away and they just magically had an endless supply of arrows which is even more unrealistic. Anyway its a game and if dual wield crossbows reload themselves..they do. End of story. Its just silly to argue about it.
My suggestion that DH's using shadow magic btw was a far fetched suggestion as to why they might anyway.
Its still just a crossbow in looks and feels, in every way.
Yeah, it was pretty cool when she reloaded the crossbows after every shot.
And when she had to crank back the string to get it ready to shoot.
Because y'know, crossbows do that.
This, in a sarcastic sense sums up how I feel about this whole topic.
Ryukenden, I'll be as straight forward as possible. You, are, reasoning, logic, about, a fantasy, game. You don't like how crossbows function in the game, that's your opinion, have at it.
My opinion, it's awesome. I can't wait to see her working two high lvl crossbows.
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” - Albert Einstein
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You didn't get any of my points. 1h melee weapons have 0 visual impact because those things actually exist in the past games.
And who the fuck are you to tell me i'm in the wrong genre/frnchise ? Realism exist inside every fantasy world. It exist inside anything you think and creat.And If it don't it's because you suck and don't kno how to think and creat. Now I hope you know what the word realism means and don't come here with counter arguments like "demons don't exist, it breaks the realism" because this only shows how you don't have a idea of what you're talking about.
The only reason i I accept some stuff and deny others is because how the flavor is presented to me. Blizz explianed to me why the barbarian is so strong, why the wizard use magic and why the amazon can shoot that amount of arrows. For all those things theres is a consistent background,
The DH lack any kind of background to explain why she use such unconventional/stupid methods to hunt demons. Aim with two pistols instead of one is ALLWAYS worse, i don't see how the fuck a high heels can help her hunting down demons and the explaination of her shadow magic is inconsistent with everything we knew about sanctuary's oring of magic.
The way the DH is presented makes her a alien in diablo's universe.
Wheras somebody wearing a two foot mask uttering 'ooga booga' and making frogs fall from the sky and someone in a kung-fu movie robe shooting laser beams fit, right?
You know, you make excellent points, and I agree with you. The inclusion of dual 1h pistol crossbows has ruined Diablo 3 and nobody should buy it until Blizzard removes this travesty on the Diablo franchise.
Now you understand! Don't forget, the one hundred and twenty year old man makes perfect sense too. That damned dual crossbow wielder ruins the game for Mr Ooga Booga, Mr Kung-Fu man, and Mr Older Then Dirt.
Edit: Goddamned Typo
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
ROFL. Nice way to run out of arguments and try to end the discussion being the smart ass.
Incorrect. I didn't run out of arguments, just got tired of people going "Nu huh!" and then metaphorically sticking fingers in their ears. I do apologize, but if people refuse to even think about it, there's no point for me to point out facts.
Noone is doing "nu nuh"!. And the only one refusing to think about it is you since I made my point perfectly clear and you showed no response but aggression.
Well, you could really easily compare the gameplay (At least, the gameplay that we have seen) to the Amazon in the same sense as the Barbarian compared to the Warrior.
And if you do that, the speed really isn't a factor. The only problem I would have would be the recoil, which, while there is a minuscule amount, nothing anywhere remotely near what a firearm may have.
I believe you may need to re-read the thread. It may help you remember what was said.
Can you quote what i need to re read ? Cause i can't find "what was said".
I'd probably start here:
QFT
Really, I don't know why people are so hung up on DH dual-wielding crossbows. For one, its a game there are plenty of things unrealistic that make less sense than auto-reloading crossbows. If they have the knowledge and ability to use traps, why would DH's having the ability to have auto-reloading crossbows be so unrealistic. Also they dabble in shadow magic which could be another reason why its possible.
QFT...
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
.. You do understand you're arguing logic, about magic.. Right?
I respect opinions, but you're arguing logic, about magic in a fairytale universe, in a game. :wacko:
But yeah seriously, like I said earlier Ryu, it's a game, I was just giving reasons how reloading DW crossbows would work realistically for Ophion and others who were upset about how a character would reload dual-wield crossbows for Demon Hunter. I myself love the idea, but yeah I can see how people wouldn't agree with me. The reason I love the idea is that it's a new twist on ranged based classes instead of the old choice of bow and crossbows in D2 (javelins were dual wielded and I loved my javazon). I think that the DW crossbows adds character to the Demon Hunter class, adds to the classes vengeful, kill every demon in sight essence. I mean really? Dual Crossbows is an awsome idea imo, i cant wait
What are you two talking about? I argue that when you guys say thing like using magic to reload; your're not using logic at all. I'm talking blizzard and some souls out there aren't using logic at all.
Crossbows are mechanic device. You can't change the way they function, unless you change the design. Crossbows uses a string of something and projectile like bolt are fed into the xbows. This maybe a fantasy game, but lets not making things without a sense of how things work.
Even magic have their limitations. I'm sure you can manipulate some form of energy into that bolts crafted from the bones of demons to produce dire effects. The absolute basic of xbows is pretty much can sum into two functions.
1. To hold the projectile
2. to fire the projectile. (and yes, amazon magic shot is considered; using mana/magic to form a physical-energy projectile)
This is pure logic here. Magic effects after whatever the projectile the xbows fires. Read the amazon lore.
Yeah, it was pretty cool when she reloaded the crossbows after every shot.
And when she had to crank back the string to get it ready to shoot.
Because y'know, crossbows do that.
Dude when I said that they used shadow magic it was just a suggestion, it was stated last for a reason. I was actually more leaning towards the fact that they have knowledge of weapons and traps and could rig a crossbow to auto reload. I hate making a reference to WoW on a Diablo forum but as I recall...no one freaked out when hunters ammo was taken away and they just magically had an endless supply of arrows which is even more unrealistic. Anyway its a game and if dual wield crossbows reload themselves..they do. End of story. Its just silly to argue about it.
My suggestion that DH's using shadow magic btw was a far fetched suggestion as to why they might anyway.
And... do souls = people? lol
This, in a sarcastic sense sums up how I feel about this whole topic.
Ryukenden, I'll be as straight forward as possible. You, are, reasoning, logic, about, a fantasy, game. You don't like how crossbows function in the game, that's your opinion, have at it.
My opinion, it's awesome. I can't wait to see her working two high lvl crossbows.