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Closed Beta Players - "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
It looks like people who were invited into the closed beta will be getting a feat of strength along with a unique sigil after logging in for the first time.
Originally Posted by Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
(In celebration of a successful beta test, all players who were invited to participate in the Diablo III closed beta will receive the commemorative Feat of Strength, "One of the Chosen." For eligible players, this feat will appear automatically in the Feat of Strength list after logging in for the first time as well as unlock a unique sigil that can be used on character banners.
In order to be eligible for "One of the Chosen," you must have had a Diablo III closed beta license attached to your Battle.net account (it isn't necessary to have downloaded or logged into the beta itself). Please note that players who participated only in the Open Beta Weekend, but were not invited to the closed beta, will not receive this Feat of Strength.
In order to be eligible for "One of the Chosen," you must have had a Diablo III closed beta license attached to your Battle.net account (it isn't necessary to have downloaded or logged into the beta itself). Please note that players who participated only in the Open Beta Weekend, but were not invited to the closed beta, will not receive this Feat of Strength.
They had control over it just like everyone else. They had the same odds as everyone else. You had to choose to do drawings, captions, cartoons, tweets, sign-up lists, photoshops and all the other myraid of things. Just because they weren't guaranteed a reward doesn't mean they had zero control.
You have to play to win.
But nothing I have said is conflicting anything. Ill break it down some (its late and I have 20 things going on at once here, so I may have just not been putting my ideas down clearly today) Take this post as my -view- on it.
Now with the beta. There are so many people that have been dying to get into the beta. They have been following just as much as the next guy. But there really was no (or how about I say, enough control.. that might be a better way to word it? [Now I know you're going to reply "wheres the line between enough control", I would say this is the line, you're welcome to give other examples])
It was 100% based on luck (keep in mind, tho everything in D3 is based off luck, you can keep going until your luck pays off with enough hard work, unlike with the beta keys). Yes there were contests, but those were also based on luck most of the time. (there were a few "first come first serve kind of ones, but the number of keys in those were so small it was kinda meh);
I mean its all going to come down to opinions in the end of course. But I just feel the beta thing is just out there enough to give it a fair shot to everything. People were already sad they couldnt get in, It just seems like this was kind of a double reward and I see why it bugs them.
(Now this last part there was just a thought, I know you're going to try and quote it saying "im changing the reason its bad again, im not =P)
That's a lottery. The beta in of itself was a lottery, I'll give you that much. However, once the game goes retail, it's no longer a lottery and that philosophy holds very little water. I simply disagree with the idea of in game rewards being handed out via lottery, it seems wrong to me. Once the game launches, people that buy it should be able to obtain the rewards within the game.
That being said, some of the rewards are catered more towards fans than others. Obviously, people that aren't fans of the game won't be able to obtain the class sigils. However, those people are much less likely to even care because, well, they aren't fans. However, the people that are fans of the game and do care about the cosmetic benefits of the game should be able to at least choose whether they go after that benefit or not. Unfortunately, with the beta rewards, that's not longer the case.
What you are saying is not fundamentally incorrect. It's just a different opinion. My opinion is that fans (anybody really) that followed the game should have access to the same rewards without having to rely on blind luck. It's obvious that you disagree and think luck should be rewarded and that's fine I suppose. I just don't agree with it.
There's a difference between having control over obtaining a reward and relying on dumb luck and hoping you get one. I also clearly stated that they could influence their odds (albeit only every so slightly), but ultimately it was still out of their control whether they got in or not.
Again, not a big deal. Blizz is usally spot on with things like this, but I'm not following their thinking this time.
To Molster:
1. It's hard to make everyone understand what the idea is, even when you speak to them face to face with a cup of tea.
2. People enjoy arguments, fighting for their ideas to be recognized. These make the forums fun to read and disscuss.
To rhorle:
1. Logic has been mentioned many times. I just begin to wonder, which logic do you mean? Logics in philosophy? Premises and conclusions? You know logic is a vague term.
2. I do agree with you to certain extent. In terms of the players who didn't not get into the closed beta should try just settle down, since we can not do much to alter the situation.
3. The decisions were not made by players as long as they love this game, they will have to follow Blizzard's call. Blizzard is the one who made these decisions. Now let's throw away the argument of how rightful or wrongful the decision was; did you mean the players have to take it? Now is it the same as people who bought the lottery? Is there right or wrong in lottery?
4. Payers did get punished by this decision. I.e. the 5 x class sigils are no longer the same value to where they were 1 week ago. Do you agree that if you publishing 6 banners for collection and getting only 5 out of 6 is devaluating / depressing?
Hope this gives some thoughts before we mindlessly throwing walls of text to each other.
"One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength - Leaked Sigil
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/40800-one-of-the-chosen-feat-of-strength-leaked-sigil/
"The Unchosen" -Pain of Admirance- Sigils
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/40826-the-unchosen-pain-of-admirance-sigils/page__p__860849#entry860849
Thats what sparked all of this though. It can bug them, that is fine. But a lot of the people in this thread are displaying emotions far beyond "being bugged". When you have people saying blizzard "pissed on them" and wishing others cancer and that sentiment isn't just a few (even if those exact wordings are) people but a whole bunch.
I'm bugged about things all the time. But i'm not going to get upset about it or wish ill to people over it. I missed out, I missed out. A reward wouldn't feel special if it was something everyone could get. Nor would it make sense as a limited reward if anyone could get it. Would CE wings be special if anyone in the game could buy it off a vendor?
Not everyone deserves a reward just because they are a fan. That is what the Mark of Valor promotion was for. A reward for fans of the game. They also decided to award a sigil for Beta testers people that were supposed to spend the length of the beta shaping the game into something both developers and fans will like.
Just as I'm sure they will award one for Blizzcon and likely other Marketting events like the Mt.dew gamer fuel. They could even have world events to do X during that week to unlock a Sigil. The possibilites are endless. But if you only limit the system to everyone has to get a reward unless they can control everything then it will always be a lack luster system.
If RNG reward a sigil for Beta is bad, then RNG leading to rewarding a sigil is equally bad. Because at the base of it is the same concept. It doesn't matter if one happens post-retail, in-game, or anywhere else. Its all RNG offering a reward.
The sigil's were always intended to have a period of time where you could gain all of them again. However no I don't think its punishing that I wouldn't have all Sigils. Because I didn't get all Sigils. I don't have any sense of entitlement to anything about the game just because I like the game and have been waiting to play it for years. It doesn't matter how things are distributed.
It makes it all the better for when I do eventually get said rare sigil or another unique reward when its my turn to win. If everyone has it or should have it then what is the point of not making it a base sigil of the game?
Agreed this is my sentiment as well.
I understand what you saying and I am with you on this, no matter how many sigil I missed out, I still want to play and enjoy the game. The game will bring me more joy than doing many other things and that is what going to matter to me.
I might didn't get exactly what group of people you and Molster's posts were referring to? Were the discussions aimed to ourselves or were they refering to the player base? I may not made myself clear on the matter, sorry for the confusion, where I was not refering to you nor me. Now think about it for other people, who do care about these sigils and do value them highly for whatever purpose that we do not understand. Some of Molster's points could make sense?
Hey guys don't get me wrong I think the reward for being in closed beta was more then enough. Even though this is just a feat of strength I am a darn collector. I love Diablo so much I collect everything even novels, books, strat guides that I will never read but got it for the 80 pages of armor and etc.
Another big big thing is trying to get everything possible in my character profile page. This includes Feat of Strength and for people who played World of Warcraft I think you will admit Feat of Strength actually had a different feeling then how Blizzard is brushing it off as.
Not only that WoW had 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of achievements and they were not linked from char to char and you did not feel as special and etc but with Diablo you do and I think that really makes a big difference.
So for someone who likes to get everything possible of course fairly work for it this is like cutting one my fingers off and damn I would trade one right now for a darn FoS.
That is pure sadism
And yeah, I waited, participated and prayed. In the end got the opened beta half-weekend and played shit out of it so did not make a a fuss about it anymore. I find this move outrageous.
well.. contests, where some had to do something to get the prize - yes. random giveaway or fastest fingers first - not really.
blizzard isn't going to be able to figure out which players were in contests for a key that required skill vs just getting lucky in a random draw contest