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Funny to see that after more than a year we stillhave the same fucktards with the same arguments.



Half of you didnt even read what I wrote and just serenaded your old "he just bought items for money and now is butthurt" shit. The only one who actually replied to my post was bagstone, which is surprising because a year ago he was one of the guys who I had the most differences in opinioins with. Good for you Bagstone, bad for the entire rest of the forum.



What a kiddie forum. Learn to read you suckers.

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The change that should be made is change it how they do with archon instead of nerfing it. Now Barb is back to D3V before double tornado, no one is using him.

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Something that just popped into my head: what's the real danger here? Can someone give me some concrete examples of lvl60 gear that you would enchant to make it lvl70 torment gear? Because, and I may be completely off-base here, it seems to me that all this can be avoided if you make it so that when you enchant pre-Loot 2.0 gear you only get pre-Loot 2.0 rolls.

Again, I might be totally off base, so I'd like some concrete examples from people that are in the beta.

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Quote from mannercookie »trolls.

Actually I do know what it means, we discussed the meaning of trolls after banning a good fair amount of them on stream the other night.

You would definitely be classified as a troll.

Here's a more in-depth explanation since you seem to be confused.

"troll"
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to anewsgroupormessage boardwith the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

I guess you qualify.

Zero I don't see any reason you shouldn't moderate this thread, there's going to be trolls for days.

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Too many assumptions from you MannerCookie. Putting everyone in the same basket as "ignorant" (who lack game knowledge) and "casual" (because they don't play 1k+ hours) players isn't going to get your point accross, nor is it going to make them agree with you. Maybe you actually have a valid point, but the way you put it is not going to convince anyone.

Second, the whole "Blizzard doesn't know" or "devs are decidingbased on a vocal minority". Well, I think we've seen tons of complains go unanswered before, and sometimes taking months (year+?) for them to acknowledge something as problem (AH), so saying they based this change off some 50 posts on their forums is a bit short sighted too, imho.

In the end, I'm neither of those things you described, and I still support the change. Yes, I have thought about it, and I still think it's good for the health and future of the game/franchise as a whole. It's gonna take some seriously strong rationalisation and arguments to make me rethink my positioning - so why don't we try that?



Also, for the record everyone, since this is a fresh/new debate, and people are obviously very interested in talking about, I've been holding myself back from interfering too much in the thread (I don't wanna kill people's will to discuss). BUT if you guys keep calling each other TROLLS, saying someone is BUTTHURT, making snide/sarcastic comments ONLY with no actual arguments, I will BE FORCED into warning and banning people =/
I REALLY didn't wanna do that in this thread. So PLEASE, try to get your points across and argue without attacking each other. Last chance...

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Out with the old - in with the new! How can this seriously be a problem to anyone anywhere?

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@MC: Your videos are really quite informative and you come across as a decent, calm guy. But on the forums you just lose your temper and it's eventually up to Blizzard to take action when you go beyond the rules. Sorry for the ban, but after a couple of rage posts it was kinda justified. Should've taken a deep breath and explained your point of view in humble words. That thread had great potential, now it might even get locked soon because it's not constructive anymore.

@Topic: This was more than obvious, and in all these threads asking for which level 60 items to buy now for RoS it was mentioned that eventually Blizzard will do something to prevent that legacy items are gonna be useful. Really, no one can say "didn't see that coming". Two more things:

1) You say "if level 60 items are better than level 70 items, fix level 70 items first instead of preventing enchanting". Well, the reason why some legacy items are so good is just because they were absolutely broken and overpowered. There's nothing to fix at level 70, the problem lies within the level 60 itemization. Items like Mempo and Witching Hour are just too strong. It's just not possible to "fix level 70" and make people go away from a WH if you were even able to enchant that belt. I said it all along, enchanting legacy items had to be restricted in order to avoid these situations of keeping "broken" items. Just like with BoA, they went full tilt mode with no enchanting at all - but in this case, I can understand it.

2) I can't believe some of the things I read over there. A few people are arguing they have a right to hold on to legacy items and enchant them because this is what they have been doing since F&F beta. Holy crap, whoever uses this as an argument should never get invited to a beta again. Any beta invite has huuuuuuuuge disclaimers that absolutely everything is subject to change. If you enter any beta, draw your conclusions, and prepare your live character with the assumption that the current state of the beta will look the same once the game is released, you simply don't understand what beta means. You're testing stuff, you've not been given a glimpse into the future to get an advantage over other people.



I personally welcome this change. Just like BoA I can see that a lot of people will be upset, but I think it's necessary. I was also relieved to see someone like INVIS posting in favor of this change - let's face it, he will probably lose dozens of billions due to this change, but he understands why this is the best solution.

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1 tab doesnt feel like victory
it feels like they gave us bone to shut up