thanks, i got the bracers and thanks to crafting i got some IAS gloves, i'll work on the ring next, see If i can save up or selling something on RMAH to purchase a ring. I also eventually wanna get a Skorn but thats gonna cost a crap ton. I'll work on the upgrades you guys mentioned thanks
skorn is garbage for HOTA spec. High dps EF, and high dps sword/axe is the way to go for it
Fot HOTA, you want a lot more attack speed... your left ring isnt helping your dps at all, and a crit/IAS ring with strength is really cheap right now. Drop IK 5 set, its really not needed anymore. Grab a witching hour for your belt, lacuni bracers with crit if you can afford it. You could use either a crit mempo, or andarials visage for your helm. With lacuni, helm, and witching hour, that gives you 20-27 more attack speed, which you need for HOTA. You can also swap out depth diggers for innas pants with high strength and gem highest strength gems you can for more IAS and crit chance... any boost counts. If you get both lacuni and innas pants, you dont need runspeed on your boots, and can save a ton on ice climbers without runspeed.
It really depends on your budget, some of these changes would be hundreds of millions (like the crit mempo and a good crit lacuni) while others are not too terribly priced.
I totally agree with the last poster, you need to get attack speed where you can while avoiding dropping too much EHP. You can drop a decent amount of character sheet damage (around 8k) and still actually do more damage as character sheet damage is flawed inherently.
Was just looking for some help in upgrading my barb. I have around 100m to spend.
I usually run WW, but I sometimes run hota/rend build with a skorn or my 1h, open to other viable builds with gear setups too.
I also just bought some Ice climbers so i dont think they are showing atm.
I usually run MP5-7 for key runs, but would like to eventually get to mp10 runs
I just came back to the game a week or so ago from a looong abscence, so no hellfire rings worth a crap yet. I know a mempo would be nice but they are too pricey with cc, was thinking possibly a Witching Hour, but I would need to make up the LS somewhere probably. Open to suggestions, thanks
If you're running mp5+ I don't think you need IK set 5 piece anymore. I only notice the increased fury help on mp0 - mp1 when I kill mobs too fast to get fury back from Into the Fray - while on mp5+ the mobs don't die in one hit and I am just drowning in fury. Your belt - 191 str - that's an easy target to upgrade to the 240-270 str range for under 10 million. See if you can find an amulet in the 260+ str, 100+ vit, +40 avg dmg, and 9+% crit. See how that compares to your current amulet. If you wanted to keep your IK set, you could play around with the stats on your gloves, try getting pure 10% crit, maybe 180str, maybe more IAS. You might be able to eek out another 20-30k dps for under 30 mil with your current set.
Expanding upon that, your blackthornes leggings are not helping you a whole lot, and you would be better helped by getting a higher strength (120+) 2 socket set of legs with mediocre vitality (under 100 is fine), which will net you well over 100 strength. You would ideally want more strength right now as yours is decently low. For the belt, you can actually find a really good witching hour which would give you a good source of crit damage and attack speed for your WW procs. You can stand to lose 10-14k health easily, and not notice a net survivability difference, so when looking to upgrade items, you could stand to lose around 340 vit and still stay around 40k health.
While your IK helm is pretty good, a decently rolled Andarials visage provides more dps at the expense of a little strength.
IMO, your upgrades should be to your:
Pants
helm (cant afford to lose the belt until you either pick up blodthirst, or get a LOH weapon)
Right Ring (dropping the vit and AR for crit chance, but its probably out of the price range)
Amulet
Mainhand weapon (yours is nice, but you will eventually want one with a socket)
Just wanted to tell you that you are looking at his PvP build. Iirc, normally he runs a pretty classic HotA build with the proper passives and all. His PvM char sheet dps was way over 200k, so maybe his gear is different too, don't remember that.
Yeah, thats why I said that I wrote that assuming that it was his real build/gear. With corrections, it looks like his dps is 211k or so without buffs or follower. For both rings, he can still stand to drop the AR for str, but it really isnt necessary at his level if he farms high MP.
Looks like a crit mempo will be the way to go, along with what im assuming is actually strength gems in the legs. You could also get AS on the neck, but that is probably in the billions of gold. After the crit mempo, really the only directions to go would be high str depth diggers with 2 sockets, and then upgrading your offhand.
SInce this is an "uber" build that is shown, I'm going to assume that your passives are built around survivability as well. Unless you are running hardcore or are doing MP10 runs (besides ubers), you are sacrificing a LOT of dps for a paltry amount of survivability. By changing just ONE passive to weapons master or ruthless, you gain 20k dps each. You really shouldnt need Relentless, or unforgiving if you change a few things around so you can equip both those at no real net loss. With ruthless and weapons master, your weapon throw would hit an average of 100k harder per second. You can also drop leap for overpower- killing spree for more crit, or overpower- crushing advance for defensiveness. If you are going to keep leap, give it the iron impact rune for tankyness.
You are now at the point where you can afford to drop AR on the rings in favor of a dps stat as your jewelery is almost the highest dps gaining items you can equip. Curious as to why you chose to not use a three-hundreth spear for your offhand for an extra 35-50% more weapon throw damage. You may lose 86% crit damage (which can be made up by getting new rings), but 35% more damage on your main ability is pretty huge. If you are mainly HOTA for runs, then you would want to keep your current weapons.
Besides those smaller equipment upgrades, I agree that a crit mempo is definitely your next step. I think that your gear is pretty solid overall besides that.
I ran your gear through d3rawr and compared with a slightly different skill setup, then gear setup for your character. I dropped unforgiving and relentless for ruthless and weapons master, and swapped battle rage runes to into the fray to compensate for the difference in rage gen(i think that doing so would smoothe out your gen anyways), and you would gain 30k dps overall. This 30k dps is only a paper doll dps number and is actually much higher, around 120k actual dps. The same skill setup with a 300th spear offhand would net you less dps on paper, but gain you between 180k and 240k more actual dps.
Swap offhand to dagger with similar stats. More attack speed = more tornado ticks. Get some vit to around 35k if you want to do higher MP levels. Change the overpower rune to either crushing advance or to the extra crit one. Crit damage on rings would help too.
If you let me know the budget, I can see if i can find some insane deals. In my case, I didnt spend over 15 million gold on any one piece of gear until recently when i found the chest that I am currently wearing.The pieces that I ended up paying a lot of gold for were my ammy (15 mil over a month ago... worth 50 now lol), and one of my rings (12 mil a month ago). My boots were 510k, gloves were 6 mil, bracers were 11 mil. For under 50 mil, you can build a barb that would have cost around 220 mil a while ago.
Put simply, if speed is your thing, WW on low MP levels is the way to go, though that is mainly for paragon levelling. Most people tend to paragon level at mp1 as WW doing alkizer runs over and over.
I prefer to item hunt and levelling is just a neat bonus. Right now I am WW playing at MP5-7, and my runs usually are about 20-30 minutes long. I also like to switch it up between running act 3 (keep 1-3, rakkis bridge, field of slaughter, arreat 1 till right before azmodan, keywarden) and act 2 (vault of the assassin and keywarden only) to keep monogamy from setting in. Depending on how aggressive you are with your whirlwind dps (not the tornadoes), it can go pretty fast. I also dont have any IAS on my gear right now, and focused mainly on crit and crit damage. I will be adding IAS as I can, but I really like the way I farm right now.
If you have the gear for it, HOTA spec is technically as fast as WW for most players, but the best geared WW barb will always lose to the HOTA barb in terms of single target dps. Where WW shines is against large amounts of enemies.
WW is the "best" spec for levelling paragon hands down. For farming items, what spec is best for you is actually dependent on your gear setup, and how much you are willing to spend on improving the gear enough to get the spec up and working. In terms of legendaries per run (or hour), I found that farming on MP7 as an aggressively specced WW barb is best personally. Since I dont have the IAS, I cant go the endless HOTA spec, but I tried a fusion spec tonight, and it was pretty fun. It was basically WW, but instead of having the actual WW skill, I had HOTA, and used furious charge(merciless assault) in place of OP-CA so I can still clip through enemies. It was a really fun spec to run as I got basically enough rage from the sprint tornadoes to spam HOTA decently often. Im going to stick to aggressive WW, but it was a nice change of pace.
In all honesty, the best build for item farming is whatever build you are most comfortable running a higher MP with. It isnt worth it to run MP10 (due to the insanely high health), or really to farm much past MP8, but I find that mp7 is a nice middle ground in terms of health to MP ratio.
Bracers and helm are both missing crit which would up your dps nicely (you "can" replace that mempo with an andarials with crit because mempos with crit are ridiculously expensive). Those Lacuni bracers could also be either replaced with ones with crit (you can drop the str on them for crit), or a really well rolled set of bracers.
I would probably replace the hellfire first honestly. Depending on your bankroll, you would want either a trifecta ring or a str, crit, crit damage and + damage roll. You could also consider grabbing a well rolled Unity ring as they have most of the desirable stats. The next would be the ammy like you said. You can afford to lose a bunch of the strength on the neck for more crit or crit damage, along with more vit instead of the life %. That 11% life is equivalent to around 3k health which is equal to around 85 vit.
In terms of raw dps numbers, your legs provide the least amount of dps for you, but the most EHP, so upgrading them is going to be tough right now. You also have a TON of life %, which would be great if you had a lot more vit. You should probably look into getting a vile ward that has some vit on it. Since you have so much life %, right now vit is the single best EHP stat that you can get.
Without crit on them, probably under 5 mil, sorry. If it had crit, vit, or AR, it would be worth more. I tell most people that it isnt really worth selling gear on the AH unless it is exceptional, or decent for entry level players.
I just recently came back to D3, like 3 days ago. i had a really small budget left on my account (~20 mil on EU) and bought some gear for a WW build. Now im out of money and I got some problems keeping my WotB up in between monsterpacks (alkaizer route on mp0/1).
Now i don't know what to do with my gear/spec anymore and what to aim for as my next steps. Hope u guys can help me.
Go up to mp2 or 3. IF you want to keep up WOTB infinitely. monsters need to take a few hits. You also need to keep your rage bar below full so you can keep "gaining" rage.
Well, I managed all 3 kills on mp6 ( and got 3 organs :P) with hota/rend build ! Gonna try mp7 next attempt. Hardest fight was zk/sb. Maghda fight was a positional problem, but once the fight is started it gets a lot easier, I went out of town to get full rage then went to start fight asap, so I had battle rage and wotb ready at the start !
Now should I try to get a LS skorn for that? or is 2 1 handers good enough? ( I dont have A LOT of attack speed.)
2 1handers are going to work way better than a 2h weapon until you have tons and tons of AS, and even then its probably not worth it.
Neck with crit damage and/or attack speed would probably be the first upgrade id make. Next would be inna's pants for the crit and attack speed. Depending on how much total gold you have, getting a Mempo with crit and a well rolled witching hour would be your best high dollar items right now, but each one is going to cost you a whole lot. If you want to change to HOTA spec, the mempo and witching hour are almost required for the attack speed, as is an echoing fury. For HOTA spec you want attack speed > crit > crit damage. If you want to stay WW, change unforgiving to bloodthirst, and you can drop basically all your LOH. For either spec, really you would want to gain some crit damage and attack speed if possible. Realistically, 5 set IK isnt really worth it anymore unless you really are running a build without a rage builder, but you really dont need it. Your spec currently is a little jumbled, especially without WOTB being in there, but I can see you are running no rage builder. You may also want to get your AR a little bit higher. Check out my current spec... its a really fast WW build and OP-CA is ridiculously broken at high levels of crit.
The reason why higher end barbs use a higher dps offhand is more of a luxury. It increases the damage of whirlwind and has no effect on the damage of the sprint tornadoes. You really wont see much of a benefit from a high dps offhand until your dps reaches the 80kish mark (thats when i noticed a definite difference). The only effect that the lower damage on the offhand (besides the whrilwind damage) is that your character sheet dps will show as lower, but the character sheet dps doesn't reflect the true dps that you output. Ideally you would have a higher dps offhand, but if it has great stats, then its not really a big deal.
Your character sheet did update recently, so after looking at it, you probably should consider trying to resell the weapons. Now that I look at it, replacing the gloves with a set that have similar stats with the added bonus of crit damage or attack speed... possibly AR if possible. After the gloves, you should consider either the chest or legs, likely the legs as you can get over 120 strength at the cost of a little vit, for the chest, you may end up losing a slight bit of strength, but gain vit.
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skorn is garbage for HOTA spec. High dps EF, and high dps sword/axe is the way to go for it
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It really depends on your budget, some of these changes would be hundreds of millions (like the crit mempo and a good crit lacuni) while others are not too terribly priced.
I totally agree with the last poster, you need to get attack speed where you can while avoiding dropping too much EHP. You can drop a decent amount of character sheet damage (around 8k) and still actually do more damage as character sheet damage is flawed inherently.
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Anyone know what it's worth?
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Expanding upon that, your blackthornes leggings are not helping you a whole lot, and you would be better helped by getting a higher strength (120+) 2 socket set of legs with mediocre vitality (under 100 is fine), which will net you well over 100 strength. You would ideally want more strength right now as yours is decently low. For the belt, you can actually find a really good witching hour which would give you a good source of crit damage and attack speed for your WW procs. You can stand to lose 10-14k health easily, and not notice a net survivability difference, so when looking to upgrade items, you could stand to lose around 340 vit and still stay around 40k health.
While your IK helm is pretty good, a decently rolled Andarials visage provides more dps at the expense of a little strength.
IMO, your upgrades should be to your:
Pants
helm (cant afford to lose the belt until you either pick up blodthirst, or get a LOH weapon)
Right Ring (dropping the vit and AR for crit chance, but its probably out of the price range)
Amulet
Mainhand weapon (yours is nice, but you will eventually want one with a socket)
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Yeah, thats why I said that I wrote that assuming that it was his real build/gear. With corrections, it looks like his dps is 211k or so without buffs or follower. For both rings, he can still stand to drop the AR for str, but it really isnt necessary at his level if he farms high MP.
Looks like a crit mempo will be the way to go, along with what im assuming is actually strength gems in the legs. You could also get AS on the neck, but that is probably in the billions of gold. After the crit mempo, really the only directions to go would be high str depth diggers with 2 sockets, and then upgrading your offhand.
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You are now at the point where you can afford to drop AR on the rings in favor of a dps stat as your jewelery is almost the highest dps gaining items you can equip. Curious as to why you chose to not use a three-hundreth spear for your offhand for an extra 35-50% more weapon throw damage. You may lose 86% crit damage (which can be made up by getting new rings), but 35% more damage on your main ability is pretty huge. If you are mainly HOTA for runs, then you would want to keep your current weapons.
Besides those smaller equipment upgrades, I agree that a crit mempo is definitely your next step. I think that your gear is pretty solid overall besides that.
I ran your gear through d3rawr and compared with a slightly different skill setup, then gear setup for your character. I dropped unforgiving and relentless for ruthless and weapons master, and swapped battle rage runes to into the fray to compensate for the difference in rage gen(i think that doing so would smoothe out your gen anyways), and you would gain 30k dps overall. This 30k dps is only a paper doll dps number and is actually much higher, around 120k actual dps. The same skill setup with a 300th spear offhand would net you less dps on paper, but gain you between 180k and 240k more actual dps.
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Except for weapons, those are still ludicrous.
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I prefer to item hunt and levelling is just a neat bonus. Right now I am WW playing at MP5-7, and my runs usually are about 20-30 minutes long. I also like to switch it up between running act 3 (keep 1-3, rakkis bridge, field of slaughter, arreat 1 till right before azmodan, keywarden) and act 2 (vault of the assassin and keywarden only) to keep monogamy from setting in. Depending on how aggressive you are with your whirlwind dps (not the tornadoes), it can go pretty fast. I also dont have any IAS on my gear right now, and focused mainly on crit and crit damage. I will be adding IAS as I can, but I really like the way I farm right now.
If you have the gear for it, HOTA spec is technically as fast as WW for most players, but the best geared WW barb will always lose to the HOTA barb in terms of single target dps. Where WW shines is against large amounts of enemies.
WW is the "best" spec for levelling paragon hands down. For farming items, what spec is best for you is actually dependent on your gear setup, and how much you are willing to spend on improving the gear enough to get the spec up and working. In terms of legendaries per run (or hour), I found that farming on MP7 as an aggressively specced WW barb is best personally. Since I dont have the IAS, I cant go the endless HOTA spec, but I tried a fusion spec tonight, and it was pretty fun. It was basically WW, but instead of having the actual WW skill, I had HOTA, and used furious charge(merciless assault) in place of OP-CA so I can still clip through enemies. It was a really fun spec to run as I got basically enough rage from the sprint tornadoes to spam HOTA decently often. Im going to stick to aggressive WW, but it was a nice change of pace.
In all honesty, the best build for item farming is whatever build you are most comfortable running a higher MP with. It isnt worth it to run MP10 (due to the insanely high health), or really to farm much past MP8, but I find that mp7 is a nice middle ground in terms of health to MP ratio.
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I would probably replace the hellfire first honestly. Depending on your bankroll, you would want either a trifecta ring or a str, crit, crit damage and + damage roll. You could also consider grabbing a well rolled Unity ring as they have most of the desirable stats. The next would be the ammy like you said. You can afford to lose a bunch of the strength on the neck for more crit or crit damage, along with more vit instead of the life %. That 11% life is equivalent to around 3k health which is equal to around 85 vit.
In terms of raw dps numbers, your legs provide the least amount of dps for you, but the most EHP, so upgrading them is going to be tough right now. You also have a TON of life %, which would be great if you had a lot more vit. You should probably look into getting a vile ward that has some vit on it. Since you have so much life %, right now vit is the single best EHP stat that you can get.
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Go up to mp2 or 3. IF you want to keep up WOTB infinitely. monsters need to take a few hits. You also need to keep your rage bar below full so you can keep "gaining" rage.
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2 1handers are going to work way better than a 2h weapon until you have tons and tons of AS, and even then its probably not worth it.
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Your character sheet did update recently, so after looking at it, you probably should consider trying to resell the weapons. Now that I look at it, replacing the gloves with a set that have similar stats with the added bonus of crit damage or attack speed... possibly AR if possible. After the gloves, you should consider either the chest or legs, likely the legs as you can get over 120 strength at the cost of a little vit, for the chest, you may end up losing a slight bit of strength, but gain vit.