I have 5.2% life leech, and 200 life on hit btw. Doesn't sound like much, but with ~200+k crits (55.5% crit chance with passives and battle rage buff) I often get 3k-5.5k life returned on hits.
I wanted to quickly go back to this since 1.04 should allow for more dps output then before, either by finding new improved weapons being dropped and/or using more dps orientated fury spending skills that are being buffed. So I have three questions:
1) Does LOH benefit from Crit gear similarly to the way Life Leech does?
2) If I'm going DW, Frenzy will still be the best skill for taking elite mobs if you're trying to utilize LOH properly right?
3) Do you guys see yourself using Frenzy with any of the buffed fury spenders?
You can use WotB to escape crowd control effects and become immune to them, plus you'll destroy the pack before WotB expires most of the time if you use Slaughter rune. I grab up to 3 packs sometimes and giggle as they all explode the moment I touch them.
I tried the Slaughter rune, but noticed that elite mobs go down faster with Insanity.
I'm hoping I can pick something else instead of revenge like seismic slam or anything good and fun really, I find the visuals of seismic slam quite appealing, and the range adds some interesting elements. I find revenge very dull, the only reason I use it is because its so damn good and I do not enjoy the double whirlwind build at all, despite it actually being really easy to play with.. We'll see how it all looks in the end, items and buffs combined.
I was considering trying out some new builds at first, but then I realized that to take full advantage of the new buffs you'll probably want a nice high dps 2-hander - which is what I believe Blizzard's intention.
As for the actual question, the formula is something like
(d(m(xy)+(xyz))
Where d=attack speed, m=attack speed, x=base damage, y=1-crit chance, z=crit hit damage. d isn't going high, m is something you always want to focus on, x is obvious, so that leaves y and z as stats to focus on almost entirely. This formula has an error ratio of about 5-8%, but still works out pretty well and is much simpler than the much more complex version at showing exactly what each stat does.
A mixture of Attack speed, Crit, Primary stat, Crit hit damage, and base damage are what you need to reach as high of dps as possible. Ignoring gold and defensive stats, for a moment, these are all fully possible to obtain on any piece of gear they are all available on. (gloves: attack speed, Crit, Crit hit damage, Dex/int/str, Dex/int/str+secondary stat, for example).
Now then, for your post - Your offhand is pretty bad, hunt down a high +crit hit damage open socket LoH 600-700 dps weapon. Should be under 500k. All in all your gear is fine and I think it's pretty clear you know what you need to upgrade into. Honestly, focus on Act 1. Act 2 is a terrible act, Act 1 is better farm/time than even Act 3, until you reach a point where the kill difference between act 1 & 3 is more than ~1/2 the time(if it takes you 2 minutes to find, and kill a mob in act 3 - you need to do it in under 1 minute in act 1. However doing it in 1 minute in act 1 is far easier than doing it in 2 minutes in act 3, etc).
You obviously have upgrades, they're not hard to see - you're pumping the right stats, you just don't quite have the gear for A3. Farm A1 until ~40k dps, 800 all res, ~40k hp. At this point A3 should be very rewarding for you.
Also, if you take my advice and farm Act 1, Buy speed boots. Just like..+100 str, +12% movement speed.
The offhand is mediocre only because it was bought cheap (400k) and the reason I got it was to experiment with DW since I got a few replies on this thread to give it a try. I was definitely impressed so decided to stick with it instead of my previous SnB since I was getting SnBored.
I will definitely be looking for a better off-hand or hopefully in the near future use my main as an off-hand if I find or can afford something even better. Right now I'm really low on gold.
I actually thought my current LOH is fine though?
Also, go back to farming A1?? A2 is pretty easy for me and I can farm better gear. A3 I can sort of do as well if I take my time and accept that I will die 1/3 of the time when facing elites. I was thinking now with 1.04 coming out, A3 will be slightly easier and more managable.
mitigation + loh are key. then need enough crit to keep perma-wrath and ww/sprint going from battle rage. u might get pwned from elites without enough mitigation or loh, or if u dont get a good start on them. this is what i use, just sold most my dh stuff (mostly on RMAH) and managed to gear this barb with less the i got for my 2 radiant star emeralds. he has 1 shot every boss in inferno on first try: barb http://us.battle.net...6/hero/22955046 . personal budget tips- 1- avoid gear with gem slot generally, gems can cost a hefty chunk of your budget, 2-crit hit dmg is a luxury and not needed imho; if u can survive for any amount of time vrs elites, extra dmg only speeds it up, you can go for it eventually, but id prefer stats that have secondary bonuses like: str (armor), crit (fury), attack speed (more crit/sec, more loh/sec, more fury gen/sec) or any mitigational stats (increase relative effectiveness of loh heals).
edit- for mitigation even tho armor 10: 1 resis is optimal, with a build not employing armor passives you have to consider warcry give 50% bonus res and only 20% bonus armor.
Am I even geared properly for a WW/Sprint build?
I tried it out before and really didn't like it or just couldn't get used to it. Had only 799 LOH and slightly worse stats though. Maybe I should try it out again. If it can help me farm A3 with less deaths than I'm currently experiencing then it may actually be a viable option.
Also, seeing that your build has Frenzy, I thought the WW/Sprint build doesn't use or is not recommended for use with any fury generators?
I have 5.2% life leech, and 200 life on hit btw. Doesn't sound like much, but with ~200+k crits (55.5% crit chance with passives and battle rage buff) I often get 3k-5.5k life returned on hits.
I wanted to quickly go back to this since 1.04 should allow for more dps output then before, either by finding new improved weapons being dropped and/or using more dps orientated fury spending skills that are being buffed. So I have three questions:
1) Does LOH benefit from Crit gear similarly to the way Life Leech does?
2) If I'm going DW, Frenzy will still be the best skill for taking elite mobs if you're trying to utilize LOH properly right?
3) Do you guys see yourself using Frenzy with any of the buffed fury spenders?
You can use WotB to escape crowd control effects and become immune to them, plus you'll destroy the pack before WotB expires most of the time if you use Slaughter rune. I grab up to 3 packs sometimes and giggle as they all explode the moment I touch them.
I tried the Slaughter rune, but noticed that elite mobs go down faster with Insanity.
Tried this experimental DW build yesterday once again and I am definitely far more pleased. Like you guys suggested, this time I switched Tough as Nails to Superstition and found a ring lying around with 68 resist all (crappy, but didn't want to go to AH). I couldn't believe how much my survivability improved by doing this - to the point where after I farmed A2, I tried out A3 and it wasn't so bad, especially if I take my time. Although I have been coming across some lolwut affixes.............
I also miss my Charge with Dreadnought because I was able to escape being jailed, but I do realize Leaping away probably saves my life more often then the former. I've been trying to figure out when it's ok to first leap in to utilize the Iron Impact's 4s armor buff and when it's better to save it for an escape. I guess this is when Ignore Pain's Iron Hide would benefit me more, but still feel that Ignorance is Bliss has been a life savor by saving my ass with some tough hitting elites, plus it allows me to not waste my WotB.
@phuzi0n
It's tough to understand this concept at first, but you have a good point regarding low HP and high defenses. I now realize my LOH, especially when combined with Ignorance is Bliss and crit gear, definitely helps in keeping my HP up (most of the time at least).
Drop my weapon? That's one of the best items I have. LOH, crit, + crit gem at 800dps not that good?
I guess I just need to keep farming A2 and/or wait for the next patch cause I definitely don't have enough to pick a definite route - tank or dps machine.
Still can't believe some of you guys have hp as low as 32k......
BTW, is Iron Hide worth it over Ignorance is Bliss? I miss the leech I get from Charge's Dreadnought so I figured Ignorance is Bliss would be a good substitute in case revenge isn't enough..
Varies per gear I'd say. I sometimes need the extra 2 seconds of ignore pain so I can burn stuff down. Life leech from my belt and weapon is enough to give me like 5k life on hit when I crit. Couple that with berserker and frenzy buff and when I have ignore pain up I can dance in crap for 7 seconds aslong as I keep hitting stuff. For you life leech on IP might be the better factor.
We have a very similar build, especially if I got DW - except I'm no where near your dps output (30k with DW and 23k with SnB).
How much LOH or life leech do you have? I have 800 LOH with my spear. Maybe that's enough to use Iron Hide?
Since we have similar resist all, I may try using Marauder's Rage instead of Impunity like yourself, but I'm pretty sure A3 elites are just going to laugh at me for this. I'm sure my deaths are going to be far more than yours with this technique of Leaping in (IP), Ignore Pain (IH) and then hopefully gtfo safely somehow.
When I get a chance I might try to search youtube for this type of risky, but fun high dps, low hp gameplay.
Don't get me wrong btw, if you can get more hp do so. Makes it allot easier. Its kinda hard finding shit like 100+ str, 4+% crit chance and 100+ vita on bracers. And then get godly items in every slot for an affordable price. Unless your lucky or extremely, extremely rich. Your going to have to settle with a tad lower HP when you go for high dps ;P. And I pumped a shitton of gold into this build. I profitted highly of the inflation when it hit. Still not enough to really combine survivability with high dps.
I've also looked at your build again, well for starters; try superstition instead of an armor passive. Just check it out, that armor passive might give you like 10% extra reduction (just pulled that % out of my ass tho), but the most painfull stuff in the game (for me atleast) is ranged, and elemental dmg. Superstition is more bang for the buck @ 25% resist + some fury generation if you run into an elite and take some dmg is kinda nice. On nasty packs I like my berserker and battle rage up asap to burn them down..
You could probably get a wrist with all resist and 3-4% crit chance (~100 str + some vita) for like 2mil if your spend a little time on the ah and get lucky. Might drop your dmg, could be worth the trade off tho. Other then that your chest and legs could do with replacement.
I have 5.2% life leech, and 200 life on hit btw. Doesn't sound like much, but with ~200+k crits (55.5% crit chance with passives and battle rage buff) I often get 3k-5.5k life returned on hits. Don't try to force a dps build tho, get your survivability in check first. Its much easier if you can do act 3 slow, and build out to dps from there then if you overestimate, spend gold, get allot of dps and figure out you die in 1 blow. If you notice you don't die easy, its allot easier to figure you can drop the all resist at your gloves for instance to get some gloves with crit chance, damage and attack speed.
Most of my dmg comes from rings, gloves, amu and weapon. Allot of it also comes from my head. but the biggest armor contribution in terms of dmg are the jewels and gloves. If you sort the all resist on the rest of the items, you can make up some dmg lacking there with those items instead. But again, I would try to keep standing first before you start decking out for more dps.
Your mainhand spear is fucking nice imo tho, perfect off hand weapon to start out with. I would suggest you try getting a mace or axe, (I prefer slow for mainhand - weapon dmg = skill dmg). Get a mace or axe (10% critc from passive) with decent dmg (800-900) and a socket, if you got the money get one with crit dmg allong with the socket. Make the mace your main hand, use the spear as off hand.
Well I guess I'm doing at least something right then...in regards to my spear
I wanted to try out having more LOH so I bought a sword with a socket (for crit damage) and 677 LOH for only 400k which, with my 799 LOH spear, gets me to 1476 total LOH (I hope?). I bought it before I read your post - probably should've bought a mace or axe, but didn't think I'd be using Weapon Mastery anyways, and didn't try using Superstition over Tough as Nails yet, but... it was only one run since I was short on time and... I wasn't too happy with the outcome. Perhaps I didn't give it enough time, but I'll try again some more today if I get a chance - this time with Superstition.
I appreciate all the advice on which gear I need to work on from yourself and others, but my gold is very low atm and the gear I need is pricely as hell. I need to farm A2 a bit more. I feel like I'd die too often in A3 as of now so it wouldn't be worth it. Perhaps I should just wait till 1.04 comes out cause I may just be wasting my time...
Drop my weapon? That's one of the best items I have. LOH, crit, + crit gem at 800dps not that good?
I guess I just need to keep farming A2 and/or wait for the next patch cause I definitely don't have enough to pick a definite route - tank or dps machine.
Still can't believe some of you guys have hp as low as 32k......
BTW, is Iron Hide worth it over Ignorance is Bliss? I miss the leech I get from Charge's Dreadnought so I figured Ignorance is Bliss would be a good substitute in case revenge isn't enough..
Varies per gear I'd say. I sometimes need the extra 2 seconds of ignore pain so I can burn stuff down. Life leech from my belt and weapon is enough to give me like 5k life on hit when I crit. Couple that with berserker and frenzy buff and when I have ignore pain up I can dance in crap for 7 seconds aslong as I keep hitting stuff. For you life leech on IP might be the better factor.
We have a very similar build, especially if I got DW - except I'm no where near your dps output (30k with DW and 23k with SnB).
How much LOH or life leech do you have? I have 800 LOH with my spear. Maybe that's enough to use Iron Hide?
Since we have similar resist all, I may try using Marauder's Rage instead of Impunity like yourself, but I'm pretty sure A3 elites are just going to laugh at me for this. I'm sure my deaths are going to be far more than yours with this technique of Leaping in (IP), Ignore Pain (IH) and then hopefully gtfo safely somehow.
When I get a chance I might try to search youtube for this type of risky, but fun high dps, low hp gameplay.
Drop my weapon? That's one of the best items I have. LOH, crit, + crit gem at 800dps not that good?
I guess I just need to keep farming A2 and/or wait for the next patch cause I definitely don't have enough to pick a definite route - tank or dps machine.
Still can't believe some of you guys have hp as low as 32k......
BTW, is Iron Hide worth it over Ignorance is Bliss? I miss the leech I get from Charge's Dreadnought so I figured Ignorance is Bliss would be a good substitute in case revenge isn't enough..
Tried out dual wielding, along with a new build that incorporates leap, ignore pain, and berserker's rage - got my dps to a little over 30k and it was pretty bad-ass. The only problem was that I died more often then I'd like to. I honestly don't see how anyone can dual wield or 2H with under 45k hp and resists under 500. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong?
the basics are there but crit is only good when u also got alot of crit damage to go with it. Thats why dual wield is a better options, with a decent weapon with crit damage on it, u can add about 150% crit damage easy.. Then u might want some crit damage on rings, gloves or amulet together with crit chance. Besides that u wanne have as much strength as possible too.
Dropping the shield and adding a good weapon, prob cost u 1-4 million for decent enough weapon if u search this will add about 20k dps maybe. So its very easy to do double your dps and things will die fast enough that u wont get owned.
Your dps is low and when u crit u wanne do high dps so things die fast. Your very close, tweaking a couple items, escpially an extra weapon and you"ll be powning them.
Once u have about 40k dps, almost all packs will die easily, and some might still give u trouble.
Search for pathology damage calculator, is a google doc where u can compare your gear and weapons to see what effect upgrades gonna have for u. As example u can compare different weapons to see which is best, and also what effect 100% extra crit damage gonna give u. Overal a good online sheet that u can use before buying items to see which is best.
Your low on strength and crit damage thats about it. U crit alot but the crits are low damage. So u wanne drop your crit a little bit and take like 40% crit damage on gloves with 7% crit chance, also amulet can have high crit damage 40% and u definatly wanne replace the right ring with crit chance+ crit damage20+ or just a cheap ring with crit damage on it 30%
amulet and gloves gonna be expensive, so cheapest way first is get that ring and new weapon that should give u about 140% extra crit damage. If u can manage to get some on your gloves and amulet you"ll be nearing 300% extra and each hit gonna be hard
gl
This is very interesting. I'm currently on a bussiness trip so I can't check the stats for sure, but I have a ~852 dps sword with ~63% crit damage lying around collecting dust. Defintely going to give it a shot as a substitute for the shield once I get back. What I'm concerned about, and the reason I never even deemed giving dual weilding a shot, is my survival rate in Inferno (espcialiy now in A3) being jeapordized by not having a shield, especially since my resists are already relatively low as is. I thought dual wielding was either suicide or those who do just have ridiculous gear to make up for not having a shield.
But it seems like phuzi0n and yourself have a good point in that I should start increasing my strength along with crit damage. I actually thought my crit damage was pretty high at about ~240%...
the basics are there but crit is only good when u also got alot of crit damage to go with it...
No, it's also great when you have skills that proc on crit... which barbs do.
Tried out different builds, especially those incorporating Overpower, but they just either don't work well for me or are not as fun as my current one. Any suggestions?
Need some advice from those who know what they're talking about.
I recently started farming A3 in Inferno since A2 was becoming less and less of a challenge and my MF runs for the little time I have to play this game being not as rewarding as I'd like them to be. My goal was to make a fun high crit gear build, but once I started taking on A3 elites and getting my ass kicked by 75% of them I began thinking that my Barb may need some rework.
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I was considering trying out some new builds at first, but then I realized that to take full advantage of the new buffs you'll probably want a nice high dps 2-hander - which is what I believe Blizzard's intention.
The offhand is mediocre only because it was bought cheap (400k) and the reason I got it was to experiment with DW since I got a few replies on this thread to give it a try. I was definitely impressed so decided to stick with it instead of my previous SnB since I was getting SnBored.
I will definitely be looking for a better off-hand or hopefully in the near future use my main as an off-hand if I find or can afford something even better. Right now I'm really low on gold.
I actually thought my current LOH is fine though?
Also, go back to farming A1?? A2 is pretty easy for me and I can farm better gear. A3 I can sort of do as well if I take my time and accept that I will die 1/3 of the time when facing elites. I was thinking now with 1.04 coming out, A3 will be slightly easier and more managable.
Am I even geared properly for a WW/Sprint build?
I tried it out before and really didn't like it or just couldn't get used to it. Had only 799 LOH and slightly worse stats though. Maybe I should try it out again. If it can help me farm A3 with less deaths than I'm currently experiencing then it may actually be a viable option.
Also, seeing that your build has Frenzy, I thought the WW/Sprint build doesn't use or is not recommended for use with any fury generators?
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I wanted to quickly go back to this since 1.04 should allow for more dps output then before, either by finding new improved weapons being dropped and/or using more dps orientated fury spending skills that are being buffed. So I have three questions:
1) Does LOH benefit from Crit gear similarly to the way Life Leech does?
2) If I'm going DW, Frenzy will still be the best skill for taking elite mobs if you're trying to utilize LOH properly right?
3) Do you guys see yourself using Frenzy with any of the buffed fury spenders?
I tried the Slaughter rune, but noticed that elite mobs go down faster with Insanity.
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I also miss my Charge with Dreadnought because I was able to escape being jailed, but I do realize Leaping away probably saves my life more often then the former. I've been trying to figure out when it's ok to first leap in to utilize the Iron Impact's 4s armor buff and when it's better to save it for an escape. I guess this is when Ignore Pain's Iron Hide would benefit me more, but still feel that Ignorance is Bliss has been a life savor by saving my ass with some tough hitting elites, plus it allows me to not waste my WotB.
@phuzi0n
It's tough to understand this concept at first, but you have a good point regarding low HP and high defenses. I now realize my LOH, especially when combined with Ignorance is Bliss and crit gear, definitely helps in keeping my HP up (most of the time at least).
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Well I guess I'm doing at least something right then...in regards to my spear
I wanted to try out having more LOH so I bought a sword with a socket (for crit damage) and 677 LOH for only 400k which, with my 799 LOH spear, gets me to 1476 total LOH (I hope?). I bought it before I read your post - probably should've bought a mace or axe, but didn't think I'd be using Weapon Mastery anyways, and didn't try using Superstition over Tough as Nails yet, but... it was only one run since I was short on time and... I wasn't too happy with the outcome. Perhaps I didn't give it enough time, but I'll try again some more today if I get a chance - this time with Superstition.
The build I'm experimenting with:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Aeternam-1134/hero/2021825
I appreciate all the advice on which gear I need to work on from yourself and others, but my gold is very low atm and the gear I need is pricely as hell. I need to farm A2 a bit more. I feel like I'd die too often in A3 as of now so it wouldn't be worth it. Perhaps I should just wait till 1.04 comes out cause I may just be wasting my time...
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We have a very similar build, especially if I got DW - except I'm no where near your dps output (30k with DW and 23k with SnB).
How much LOH or life leech do you have? I have 800 LOH with my spear. Maybe that's enough to use Iron Hide?
Since we have similar resist all, I may try using Marauder's Rage instead of Impunity like yourself, but I'm pretty sure A3 elites are just going to laugh at me for this. I'm sure my deaths are going to be far more than yours with this technique of Leaping in (IP), Ignore Pain (IH) and then hopefully gtfo safely somehow.
When I get a chance I might try to search youtube for this type of risky, but fun high dps, low hp gameplay.
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I guess I just need to keep farming A2 and/or wait for the next patch cause I definitely don't have enough to pick a definite route - tank or dps machine.
Still can't believe some of you guys have hp as low as 32k......
BTW, is Iron Hide worth it over Ignorance is Bliss? I miss the leech I get from Charge's Dreadnought so I figured Ignorance is Bliss would be a good substitute in case revenge isn't enough..
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Aeternam-1134/hero/2021825
So I'm back to SnB, but this time with the new build. Guess I need to gear up better. Perhaps the new patch will make things better...
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This is very interesting. I'm currently on a bussiness trip so I can't check the stats for sure, but I have a ~852 dps sword with ~63% crit damage lying around collecting dust. Defintely going to give it a shot as a substitute for the shield once I get back. What I'm concerned about, and the reason I never even deemed giving dual weilding a shot, is my survival rate in Inferno (espcialiy now in A3) being jeapordized by not having a shield, especially since my resists are already relatively low as is. I thought dual wielding was either suicide or those who do just have ridiculous gear to make up for not having a shield.
But it seems like phuzi0n and yourself have a good point in that I should start increasing my strength along with crit damage. I actually thought my crit damage was pretty high at about ~240%...
Tried out different builds, especially those incorporating Overpower, but they just either don't work well for me or are not as fun as my current one. Any suggestions?
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I recently started farming A3 in Inferno since A2 was becoming less and less of a challenge and my MF runs for the little time I have to play this game being not as rewarding as I'd like them to be. My goal was to make a fun high crit gear build, but once I started taking on A3 elites and getting my ass kicked by 75% of them I began thinking that my Barb may need some rework.
http://us.battle.net...34/hero/2021825
Perhaps it's too much emphasis on crit gear? Perhaps I'm going about it the wrong way?
Ultimately, I'm looking for some solid advice on which gear I need to start replacing first and which stats I need to start concentrating on?