I tried switching my 1060dps xbow WITHOUT a socket to 2x 950dps 1handers with 80% gems and came 3k short.
Considering those 1handers together cost like 10times more than the xbow this isnt very good idea if you dont find sick 1handers with like 1050+dps 150%crit dmg 8max disc each.
And then again the cost on those would be something stupid.
You gotta keep in mind, it's not JUST the socket you want. It's the STATS. It's where 1H truly matter the most the most. Imagine having 300-600 xtra dex, 140-300% more crit dmg. You gotta keep in mind 1h weapons have the smallest damage range so you got to maximize your crit dmg, and dex to overcome 2h weapons. Yeah, that's expensive sadly, but maybe that is the point.
2hander and quiver also have stats. Sure its very possible to get the 1handers to overpower 2h+quiver the cost is gonna be ten times or more.
If you have the money, go for it.
Edit: I'm a little drunk so after reading your post second time I realized i was pretty much paraphrasing you xD.
I just searched ah and the highest dmg 1hander with 100+dex and 70%crit dmg or socket was 970dmg.
Seems you need more than just gold/eur to get the kind of 1handers it requires to overpower something like 1200dmg xbow with a socket.
Quivers can add dex, crit chance, and many attributes that will compliment a DH but it cannot add crit damage. I'm not sure what the max roll on a quiver for dex is, but I imagine 160+socket. How much cheaper would a quiver like that cost to your offhand? Probably just the same, but limited by not having another crit damage.
Not sure about the max roll but mine has 120dex+socket, quivers can also have increased ele arrow or hungering arrow dmg.
Also the increase in crit dmg from another weapon is not enough to compensate for the loss of pure dmg from a 1200dmg xbow (with socket) unless you have out of the charts crit chance (Or both your 1handers have 150+%critdmg). Like I said above the highest dps 1hander with 100+dex and 70%crit dmg in either goldah or rmah was 970dps.
I'm not sure if my text makes much sense but you should get an idea of what i mean from it.
No where am I suggesting anyone use a 1h over a 2h Only that it can be viable, all be it extremely expensive, and definitely without the satisfaction of seeing things explode from yellow text of 200-300,000 crit damage! :\ You are definitely guaranteed with a ton of yellow text (crit) but I really honestly don't know what kind of damage that would be even with 100-150k damage pre-SS. I just don't know.
I tried switching my 1060dps xbow WITHOUT a socket to 2x 950dps 1handers with 80% gems and came 3k short.
Considering those 1handers together cost like 10times more than the xbow this isnt very good idea if you dont find sick 1handers with like 1050+dps 150%crit dmg 8max disc each.
And then again the cost on those would be something stupid.
You gotta keep in mind, it's not JUST the socket you want. It's the STATS. It's where 1H truly matter the most the most. Imagine having 300-600 xtra dex, 140-300% more crit dmg. You gotta keep in mind 1h weapons have the smallest damage range so you got to maximize your crit dmg, and dex to overcome 2h weapons. Yeah, that's expensive sadly, but maybe that is the point.
2hander and quiver also have stats. Sure its very possible to get the 1handers to overpower 2h+quiver the cost is gonna be ten times or more.
If you have the money, go for it.
Edit: I'm a little drunk so after reading your post second time I realized i was pretty much paraphrasing you xD.
I just searched ah and the highest dmg 1hander with 100+dex and 70%crit dmg or socket was 970dmg.
Seems you need more than just gold/eur to get the kind of 1handers it requires to overpower something like 1200dmg xbow with a socket.
Quivers can add dex, crit chance, and many attributes that will compliment a DH but it cannot add crit damage. I'm not sure what the max roll on a quiver for dex is, but I imagine 160+socket. How much cheaper would a quiver like that cost to your offhand? Probably just the same, but limited by not having another crit damage.
I tried switching my 1060dps xbow WITHOUT a socket to 2x 950dps 1handers with 80% gems and came 3k short.
Considering those 1handers together cost like 10times more than the xbow this isnt very good idea if you dont find sick 1handers with like 1050+dps 150%crit dmg 8max disc each.
And then again the cost on those would be something stupid.
You gotta keep in mind, it's not JUST the socket you want. It's the STATS. It's where 1H truly matter the most the most. Imagine having 300-600 xtra dex, 140-300% more crit dmg. You gotta keep in mind 1h weapons have the smallest damage range so you got to maximize your crit dmg, and dex to overcome 2h weapons. Yeah, that's expensive sadly, but maybe that is the point.
Set bonus staying it seems. Price of Natayla just went up another 10x fold.
How about you revert all the IAS change and nerfs while we're at it?
You're forgetting the glaring problem; The legendary buff in 1.1 is NOT retroactive. The natayla's sets right now aren't going to be worth anything once 1.1 hits, and the new ones dropping are a LOT better. You're dumb if you buy now =D
I think everything is relative. In the sense that, how far along is 1.1? We're at 1.03a, with 1.03b coming out this week. I don't know the patch schedules, but I would say 7 weeks of pure OPness is well worth it. You can still sell it before 1.1 is scheduled to hit. And how much gold would someone with 4/4 would have from now until 1.1 is? Did they buy it with gold? Buy it with money? Buy it with gold they bought?
Mark of Death can be very useful. But the stationary Valley of Death is not unless your dps is so godly they explode inside your circle. You will just end up having to recast it several times which is a huge waste of discipline.
Hungering Arrow Puncture or Devouring has better damage overall.
If you want a split affect, use frost arrow for your hatred dump which may work with valley of death if you are really gun-hold about using it, from the slow.
Honestly, I used Rapid Fire on some bosses prior to Inferno, but I don't see a huge use for it.
So no one is dual 1h xbows or is just every going 2hs at moment?
All of it is viable. As far as your character sheet is concern, DW has the most potential for highest damage due to:
APS, Dex on Weapon, Crit Dmg on Weapon, Sockets on Weapon. If you got a 960 dps 1h xbow with no dex and no socket, it would be COMPLETELY horrible.
With 1h, you can stack a crapload of stats if they are well rolled. In addition, you can also get discipline on these bad boys. The benefit and utility you get from having 10-20 more disc is huge.
EDIT: I don't get your fan of knives argument. You waste an entire smoke screen to run to them and run all the way back?
Instead get a ranged slow like Entangling Shot or Elemental Arrow with Frost Arrow, that way you can slow them for range and not waste ~5 seconds running to them and then running back. Just slow them from range, and kite. If they jail or other nasty things that's where you use your smoke screen, IMO.
I don't use that strategy unless I have the Discipline to waste. Like I said, when elites are chasing me I use Fan of Knives to damage them, Slow them, and give me more breathing room. You will quite often find yourself in close proximity to multiple enemies, especially when playing alone. Being able to do 320% damage to all enemies within a 20 yard radius every 10 seconds is a blessing.
It's a beautiful fucking skill. I know that you disagree, but it really does work for me. Like I mentioned earlier, it has saved my life thousands of times.
There is a lot of synergy between FoN, Smoke Screen, and Tactical Advantage. You don't have to run through them to cast it. You could very easily SS/FoN/Run away just the same. The only reason I would ever run to an enemy with SS is I am out of kiting space and have to kite the way I came.
Might be a little off topic, but Leirissa, do you do streams, I'd just like to see if/how you manage to run in Acts 3/4 with only 9k HP, yeah damage is nice, but I can imagine, with an Immune fast pack, you are resetting the game right?
I don't stream but I guess I could. I've been running around with 9k HP pre-IAS nerf. So it's pretty much the same thing w/ different set of abilities in my toolkit. I can actually survive a single tick of blood pool from Azmodan even with my low hp for instance, so the nerf did help in that regard. Cydea is actually bit harder now so I skip her.
Running Tactical Advantage, Archery, And Steady Aim
Evasive Fire w/ Cover Fire & Cluster Arrow w/ Loaded with Bears
Using Smoke Screen w/ Lingering Fog, Fan of Knives (Ranged Run, forgot name), Spike Trap w/ Scatter Rune, Preperation w/ Backup. The only ability I would or possibly would trade out is Spike Trap (love the damage too much!! it's just soo resource effective for me) for maybe Raining Vengeance again to better aid with invuln packs.
Its not fair, I bust my tail farming Inferno A1, and I've maxed at 500,000 gold, but yet and still I'm seeing upgrades for me (bows) for 45,000,000 gold, I mean that's crazy how in the hell are there so many people with that much gold in this game already?
I've heard "luck of drops" but what are you guys looking for to know what items will actually sell for Millions of gold, I found a set piece last week, that I put up 4 times, first 2 million, then 1million 2 times, and then it got snatched up for 500,000 (I was broke) but still, that's a set piece and I just got 500,000 for it.
Prior to 1.03, I made my money this way. I've probably had 100m come through me, but I'm pretty poor now as I'm focusing on other classes. 25m has been my biggest purchase and i don't doubt that i would end up having to spend more on a single item in the future.
Farm a shton. I've put 300+hrs into my DH.
Farming Act III/IV was lucrative.
Act III: Cydea/Azmodan runs were highly efficient. I found it less troublesome than Siegebreaker runs, and you had two easy bosses back to back. I would also just farm the corridor to Azmodan (Arreate Core) for some quick rares, there were usually 2 quick elite packs I could kill with plenty of kiting space. Gold goblin spawned a decent amount here and the tower of the curse. Get them down low and swapped to MF gear.
Act IV: I would only farm Garden Lvl 1 & 2. If you wanted to very quick runs, you could just kill 1-2 elite packs in Garden Lvl I. There usually 1 elite pack sitting down the staircase outside Rakanoth's dungeon. Also chance of goblin spawning here too.
Act II: Farm the hell out of the goblin. Boring but efficient.
It's all luck and RNG, but you could make a lot of money quick from ACT 3/4 if you found 1 or 2 items that day.
Top sellers: All-resist gear w/ main stats+vitality. High DPS 1 hands w/ LOH/socket. Mostly 2H DPS weapon didn't sell unless you got 1200-1300dps. Undercut and get your loot out of your stash. 10 Item limit is dumb, so cut by 100-200k if required depending on items. Also good sellers were high MF gear w/ main stats.
I made mistake of selling my 70 dex NATALYA chest w/ 3 socket for <4m because my beckon sail w/ 1 socket were a lot better. GG Blizzard and IAS nerf.
Magdha runs are not stupid. It's only stupid because you don't get 2 guarantee drops off her, but shes an easy as heck boss if you're clearing elite trash to her. Also, he was saying Act 2 is difficult. I was just saying on the contrary it is actually pretty damn easy. Personally speaking, I am not farming either Act I, II, III, or IV until they fix drop rates in 1.03b later this week. For efficiency, you can farm Act I til the cow comes home if you so wish. I don't know about you, but I got tired of farming ACT I 2 days after patch 1.03 hit, and I can 4-5 shot most of the elite packs there, including invulns. It's a total joke.
So you're saying Magdha runs are not stupid but right now they are stupid? Am I reading this correctly? I'm not sure how that helps him in the least.
Killing Butcher, Madha, or any other boss is not stupid if they are on your route. You can still get 2-3 rares off them, but they are not guaranteed to be 2. If the bosses are too hard to do (you wipe, you just suck, or any number of reason) than by all means, SKIP THEM. You are trying to find something that isn't there. Also, I guess school is out?
Edit: BTW, nice job pretty much repeating what I saying about the gear. Yeah, I'm sure he can't afford the best of the best, so he will have to make compromises on the two main stats. I think necklace w/ crit dmg+dex, and gloves with crit chance+dex, and rings with crit chance+dex is probably the most efficient purchases.
Seriously, anybody suggesting him to farm Act 2 right now instantly shows how he has no clue about current drop rates and time efficiency - especially if you're suggesting stupid stuff such as Magdha runs.
Some facts:
Having 5 stacks, rare/champion packs right now only barely drop less rares than bosses. Since boss runs usually involve resetting the game (and thus your stacks) afterwards, they've become fairly inefficient. At the same time increased champion/rare pack loot and decreased boss loot often makes it more viable not to do a boss at all if it takes too much time to get there with a low rare/champion pack density on the way.
Considering the way the acts are set up and how much longer it takes not only to kill but also to find rare/champion packs, it's simply not worth farming anything but Act 1 right now. The lower high level loot drop rate is easily made up for by the sheer amount of drops you get in a relatively short amount of time.
My current farm route is fairly similar to the one the OP is using:
Northern Highlands (check for The Watchtower, if it's there or there were any packs on the way then continue - otherwise reset)
Festering Woods (2 dungeons + area)
Leoric's Manor (building + area in front of the building)
Cemetary of the Forsaken (3 Crypts, TP out of the quest one as soon as you see level 2)
Area between New Tristram and Cemetary of the Forsaken (area + sometimes dungeons/sarkoth)
The Warden/Butcher if I feel like it (whether this part is worth it is mostly RNG on rare/champion spawns)
Rainbow Level if I feel like it
Farming those areas on my DH is pretty much the fastest way of farming right now. I can reliably (with fairly high DPS and with no/few deaths) farm everything from Act 1 to Act 4 on three of my characters (DH, Monk, Barbarian) and, while Barbarian comes close, DH mobility simply makes for the most efficient farming in Act 1 right now. So I wouldn't recommend switching right now either.
As for gear (only mentioning possible low price upgrades):
Bow is okay
Quiver is okay
Boots are almost-okay, you can probably find ones with higher Dex and similar Vit/AR+MS for cheap
Pants are almost-okay, you can find ones with some Vit/AR and similar Dex+Sockets for cheap
Helm is almost-okay, you may find a better one for cheap - needs >130 Dex and >3% Crit to be an upgrade though
Gloves are okay
Chest is okay, you may want to look for a similar one with +Max Discipline though
Shoulders are almost-okay, you can grab similar ones (slightly lower Dex possibly) with Vit or AR as secondary stats for cheap
Belt is okay
Bracers are upgrade-worthy, you can usually easily find better ones with some crit (at slightly lower Dex) and Vit or AR for cheap
Neck and Rings are almost-okay, it's hard to find good ones for cheap but I'd try to get an additional good stat on them since they really only have two good stats each
Edit: Thought I read in the OP's post that he was having problem with Act 2, might be my imagination. I am no way suggesting anyone run Magdha, only that is easy.
EditEdit: "-Where else can I farm besides A1? I don't seem to be getting any results here (friends of mine have been getting lucky and finding 5-6m+ items a bit, just not me)" OP was asking where else he can farm besides ACT I. I don't know if I was responding to efficiency or not. Maybe he doesn't want to farm ACT I even if its the most efficient? Act III/IV is only worth farming if you're actually geared for it. I can do ACT I in full MF gear with only 40k+ dps with not a single problem. I lose 30K dps just do that.
Magdha runs are not stupid. It's only stupid because you don't get 2 guarantee drops off her, but shes an easy as heck boss if you're clearing elite trash to her. Also, he was saying Act 2 is difficult. I was just saying on the contrary it is actually pretty damn easy. Personally speaking, I am not farming either Act I, II, III, or IV until they fix drop rates in 1.03b later this week. For efficiency, you can farm Act I til the cow comes home if you so wish. I don't know about you, but I got tired of farming ACT I 2 days after patch 1.03 hit, and I can 4-5 shot most of the elite packs there, including invulns. It's a total joke.
Quivers have become pretty much worthless over the last few weeks. I've even begun vendoring quivers with +10 disc. I'm not quite sure what's going on because they used to be some of the most expensive items. I stockpiled all my good ones because I knew that when attack speed got nerfed, that quivers would be the only thing will high IaS left. Even after the patch, I can't sell them and I've seen pretty good quivers on AH selling for as little as 5k.
When a quiver with 100 dex, hatred regen, and max disc is selling for 5k, you're going to have a tough time making any money.
A quiver also has to have crit and (for me, at least) magic find. If you have any like that, let me know! I have had a hell of a time trying to find a decent quiver upgrade over the past few weeks.
Contrary to the previous poter, I don't think Elemental Arrow damage is worth much anymore...
I don't use Elemental Arrow anymore, but I'm quite sure a lot of people still do. Keep in mind, what things are worth to you may no be worth a whole lot to others. For instance, I have a seperate set of quiver with MF+max disc+dex that I run with, but most people are not going to say MF is the de-facto stat for their dps set.
Quivers have become pretty much worthless over the last few weeks. I've even begun vendoring quivers with +10 disc. I'm not quite sure what's going on because they used to be some of the most expensive items. I stockpiled all my good ones because I knew that when attack speed got nerfed, that quivers would be the only thing will high IaS left. Even after the patch, I can't sell them and I've seen pretty good quivers on AH selling for as little as 5k.
When a quiver with 100 dex, hatred regen, and max disc is selling for 5k, you're going to have a tough time making any money.
Pretty much anything that don't have both disc+crit chance isn't going to sell for a ton. And these need to be complimented with elemental arrow, hungering arrow, or elite bonus damage. Hatred regen is still great but it isn't what will cause the value of a quiver to skyrocket.
EDIT: I don't get your fan of knives argument. You waste an entire smoke screen to run to them and run all the way back?
Instead get a ranged slow like Entangling Shot or Elemental Arrow with Frost Arrow, that way you can slow them for range and not waste ~5 seconds running to them and then running back. Just slow them from range, and kite. If they jail or other nasty things that's where you use your smoke screen, IMO.
I don't use that strategy unless I have the Discipline to waste. Like I said, when elites are chasing me I use Fan of Knives to damage them, Slow them, and give me more breathing room. You will quite often find yourself in close proximity to multiple enemies, especially when playing alone. Being able to do 320% damage to all enemies within a 20 yard radius every 10 seconds is a blessing.
It's a beautiful fucking skill. I know that you disagree, but it really does work for me. Like I mentioned earlier, it has saved my life thousands of times.
There is a lot of synergy between FoN, Smoke Screen, and Tactical Advantage. You don't have to run through them to cast it. You could very easily SS/FoN/Run away just the same. The only reason I would ever run to an enemy with SS is I am out of kiting space and have to kite the way I came.
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No where am I suggesting anyone use a 1h over a 2h
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Quivers can add dex, crit chance, and many attributes that will compliment a DH but it cannot add crit damage. I'm not sure what the max roll on a quiver for dex is, but I imagine 160+socket. How much cheaper would a quiver like that cost to your offhand? Probably just the same, but limited by not having another crit damage.
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You gotta keep in mind, it's not JUST the socket you want. It's the STATS. It's where 1H truly matter the most the most. Imagine having 300-600 xtra dex, 140-300% more crit dmg. You gotta keep in mind 1h weapons have the smallest damage range so you got to maximize your crit dmg, and dex to overcome 2h weapons. Yeah, that's expensive sadly, but maybe that is the point.
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I think everything is relative. In the sense that, how far along is 1.1? We're at 1.03a, with 1.03b coming out this week. I don't know the patch schedules, but I would say 7 weeks of pure OPness is well worth it. You can still sell it before 1.1 is scheduled to hit. And how much gold would someone with 4/4 would have from now until 1.1 is? Did they buy it with gold? Buy it with money? Buy it with gold they bought?
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100 billion million trillion dollars (pinky to lip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY
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Set bonus staying it seems. Price of Natayla just went up another 10x fold.
How about you revert all the IAS change and nerfs while we're at it?
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Post your gear?
And what are your intention? Farming hell?
Ferrets, really?
Mark of Death can be very useful. But the stationary Valley of Death is not unless your dps is so godly they explode inside your circle. You will just end up having to recast it several times which is a huge waste of discipline.
Hungering Arrow Puncture or Devouring has better damage overall.
If you want a split affect, use frost arrow for your hatred dump which may work with valley of death if you are really gun-hold about using it, from the slow.
Honestly, I used Rapid Fire on some bosses prior to Inferno, but I don't see a huge use for it.
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All of it is viable. As far as your character sheet is concern, DW has the most potential for highest damage due to:
APS, Dex on Weapon, Crit Dmg on Weapon, Sockets on Weapon. If you got a 960 dps 1h xbow with no dex and no socket, it would be COMPLETELY horrible.
With 1h, you can stack a crapload of stats if they are well rolled. In addition, you can also get discipline on these bad boys. The benefit and utility you get from having 10-20 more disc is huge.
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I don't stream but I guess I could. I've been running around with 9k HP pre-IAS nerf. So it's pretty much the same thing w/ different set of abilities in my toolkit. I can actually survive a single tick of blood pool from Azmodan even with my low hp for instance, so the nerf did help in that regard. Cydea is actually bit harder now so I skip her.
Running Tactical Advantage, Archery, And Steady Aim
Evasive Fire w/ Cover Fire & Cluster Arrow w/ Loaded with Bears
Using Smoke Screen w/ Lingering Fog, Fan of Knives (Ranged Run, forgot name), Spike Trap w/ Scatter Rune, Preperation w/ Backup. The only ability I would or possibly would trade out is Spike Trap (love the damage too much!! it's just soo resource effective for me) for maybe Raining Vengeance again to better aid with invuln packs.
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Prior to 1.03, I made my money this way. I've probably had 100m come through me, but I'm pretty poor now as I'm focusing on other classes. 25m has been my biggest purchase and i don't doubt that i would end up having to spend more on a single item in the future.
Farm a shton. I've put 300+hrs into my DH.
Farming Act III/IV was lucrative.
Act III: Cydea/Azmodan runs were highly efficient. I found it less troublesome than Siegebreaker runs, and you had two easy bosses back to back. I would also just farm the corridor to Azmodan (Arreate Core) for some quick rares, there were usually 2 quick elite packs I could kill with plenty of kiting space. Gold goblin spawned a decent amount here and the tower of the curse. Get them down low and swapped to MF gear.
Act IV: I would only farm Garden Lvl 1 & 2. If you wanted to very quick runs, you could just kill 1-2 elite packs in Garden Lvl I. There usually 1 elite pack sitting down the staircase outside Rakanoth's dungeon. Also chance of goblin spawning here too.
Act II: Farm the hell out of the goblin. Boring but efficient.
It's all luck and RNG, but you could make a lot of money quick from ACT 3/4 if you found 1 or 2 items that day.
Top sellers: All-resist gear w/ main stats+vitality. High DPS 1 hands w/ LOH/socket. Mostly 2H DPS weapon didn't sell unless you got 1200-1300dps. Undercut and get your loot out of your stash. 10 Item limit is dumb, so cut by 100-200k if required depending on items. Also good sellers were high MF gear w/ main stats.
I made mistake of selling my 70 dex NATALYA chest w/ 3 socket for <4m because my beckon sail w/ 1 socket were a lot better. GG Blizzard and IAS nerf.
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Killing Butcher, Madha, or any other boss is not stupid if they are on your route. You can still get 2-3 rares off them, but they are not guaranteed to be 2. If the bosses are too hard to do (you wipe, you just suck, or any number of reason) than by all means, SKIP THEM. You are trying to find something that isn't there. Also, I guess school is out?
Edit: BTW, nice job pretty much repeating what I saying about the gear. Yeah, I'm sure he can't afford the best of the best, so he will have to make compromises on the two main stats. I think necklace w/ crit dmg+dex, and gloves with crit chance+dex, and rings with crit chance+dex is probably the most efficient purchases.
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Edit: Thought I read in the OP's post that he was having problem with Act 2, might be my imagination. I am no way suggesting anyone run Magdha, only that is easy.
EditEdit: "-Where else can I farm besides A1? I don't seem to be getting any results here (friends of mine have been getting lucky and finding 5-6m+ items a bit, just not me)" OP was asking where else he can farm besides ACT I. I don't know if I was responding to efficiency or not. Maybe he doesn't want to farm ACT I even if its the most efficient? Act III/IV is only worth farming if you're actually geared for it. I can do ACT I in full MF gear with only 40k+ dps with not a single problem. I lose 30K dps just do that.
Magdha runs are not stupid. It's only stupid because you don't get 2 guarantee drops off her, but shes an easy as heck boss if you're clearing elite trash to her. Also, he was saying Act 2 is difficult. I was just saying on the contrary it is actually pretty damn easy. Personally speaking, I am not farming either Act I, II, III, or IV until they fix drop rates in 1.03b later this week. For efficiency, you can farm Act I til the cow comes home if you so wish. I don't know about you, but I got tired of farming ACT I 2 days after patch 1.03 hit, and I can 4-5 shot most of the elite packs there, including invulns. It's a total joke.
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I don't use Elemental Arrow anymore, but I'm quite sure a lot of people still do.
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Pretty much anything that don't have both disc+crit chance isn't going to sell for a ton. And these need to be complimented with elemental arrow, hungering arrow, or elite bonus damage. Hatred regen is still great but it isn't what will cause the value of a quiver to skyrocket.
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There is a lot of synergy between FoN, Smoke Screen, and Tactical Advantage. You don't have to run through them to cast it. You could very easily SS/FoN/Run away just the same. The only reason I would ever run to an enemy with SS is I am out of kiting space and have to kite the way I came.