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dude, stop using the dictionary of synonyms

its ridiculous, if u didnt figured it out yet

if ure retarted u cant write properly

u get a bit smarter and u use a few different words

u get even smarter and u write as simple as u can

ty

And to think about it... those examples, the top players, with or without exploits, they will be ahead of u anyway

the problem is the dozens clans with their whole populations, thats hundreds of ppl doing the exploit for couple days nonstop

the average joe is the one who makes your characters suck by comparison to the generality of ppl who exploited

and they had what, lets say 40.000 bloodshards to spam on 1h weps to find that ancient serpent sparker

there u go

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What are the odds the meta remains unchanged for a 3rd season?

it's 4th season not 3rd. season 7,8, and 9 basically had all the same meta.

End game groups
Season 1, 2, 3: 2x M6 DH with a lock down WD
Season 4: Lightning monk
Season 5: DMO Twister
Season 6: Tals Twister
Season 7, 8: H6 Firebat, and R6 Gen
Season 9: A6 Firebat and R6 Gen

Solo meta Shifted in Season 9 though.
sader: LoN bomb -> Hammerdin
DH: LoN FoK -> M6 Grenade
Wiz: Firebird archon -> Lightning Archon
Barb: BT charge barb -> WW barb (with istavans set)
Monk: R6 gen -> R6 gen (without epiphany)
WD: Helltooth Garg -> A6 Firebat

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You want people to play for 3 months. You want them to be excited for 3 months. You want them to have fun for 3 months.

Yep, that is why the devs are putting the primals in the game: Nobody is excited when he has to farm paragon. But, wait... You said primals are "a horrible idea". You are contradicting yourself again. Primals are exactly added to keep people excited, because with or without mainstat cap 99% of the players are gone after 2 weeks of season's start.

Just to make one thing clear:

1) Primals without seasonal mainstat cap are good for the casuals and bad for everybody else, because of the RNG

2) Primals with seasonal mainstat cap are good for everyone

It's like talking to the toaster and expecting it to understand. I'll say this, here, officially; If you accept the term that Diablo is in MM, you are a fool. If you blindly accept that any change to the game is an improvement, then you'll have to accept that Berry Sparkle Cake Attack will be the highest point damage skill that the Necromancer will get, because, it's a change, so it must be an improvement.

PTR is meant for discussion. It's supposed to provide the community a position to take on the next content patch. The points you've made are foolhardy. They serve only your interests, not the game as a whole. While I've agreed with you that paragon is a problem, you've theatrically attempted to prove that I somehow am contradicting myself. It's you who has yet to prove the point of why Primals are "good". You stated a few points, I've pointed out that your logic is flawed. Your response is that RNG is minimized with a seasonal cap, and also, it'll make less people care about playing seasons. That is purely your viewpoint on how the game should be played. If people hated seasons so much, why do so many people play seasonal? (I'm not going to debate that, as it's completely off topic, but the fact remains that your replies are in extent from the viewpoint that seasons are a waste of time.)

The Devs also said: "We're adding Paragons to the game." and "We're reworking Paragons to be an endless ladder." Those were amazing ideas too, right? You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's not contradictory if I didn't say Primals will add excitement. Sure, it *could* be exciting, but it's just another level of farm for those who take the competition seriously. It doesn't change your gameplay choices it just simply prolongs the status of GG, which truth be told, may not happen, and then AGAIN, your entire season, 16 hours a day, wasted, because you didn't have good RNG.

The difference is the perception. You see it as farming paragons and getting GG, whereas I see it as farming GG and getting paragons (it's intended purpose btw). When people are GG, what do they do? Do they swap to non-seasonal, and just play for funzies? Or do they farm paragon and try and push as high as they can? Introducing Primals will make a difference, sure, Rank 1 on all the leaderboards will be 13/13 Primal, all the way to about Rank 85ish. From there to about 400ish it'll be 12/13 Primal. From there down it'll be 11/13 Primal until you reach probably around 900ish, and that'll be filled up with the 10/13 Primal players. So what about all those super serious folks off the leaderboards that played 16 hours a day, and only got 9/13 Primal items for their build? What do they get? You see this as a nerf to paragons, when in fact it's the opposite. It's something that's been a problem in WoW for a while now, the difference between Warforging and Titanforging. However, items are farmable in WoW (Boss A drops Item X) it's RNG if the item upgrades, if it even drops, but it can't drop from another boss, in D3's case, another RG.

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As far as your logic goes, it sounds like you just hate seasons. Playing non-seasonal during a season isn't in the spirit of seasons, for a seasonal player. It would kind of be like quitting? I don't play a lot of Diablo in the non-season. It's not fun nor is it entertaining. I have (now) 9 seasons worth of gear saved up, what are the chances I don't have a perfectly rolled set of Ancient, everything? I get that for a non-seasonal player, Primals sound like a god-send, but when weighed into a competition, they're just another level of RNG, power creep, that puts the fate of your entire season in the hands of RNG. It already is, in a way, but you can get multiple Ancient items, poorly rolled, well rolled, and perfectly rolled. Making Legendaries non-existent isn't a good answer. Capping mainstat isn't an answer. You want people to play for 3 months. You want them to be excited for 3 months. You want them to have fun for 3 months. You don't want them to get capped on day 5 and quit to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure because they're "done".

But dude, let me say one thing: Many, if not "most" of D3 players play seasons just to get extra stash and go back to non-season after this. Did you notice seasons are abandoned hills after 2nd month? If you don´t have a really close team, you will need to come back to non-season just because you have no option unless you play solo.
ANY improvment to game must take it seriously in consideration. Or you will need to get back the exclusives legendaries and create some exclusive seasonal build/sets to keep everyone playing seasons until it ends. And even that way, just those ones how really need the new items will keep playing it until it ends.

Edit: Ok, i know "most of players" dont abandon seasons and seasonal player base é really enough to keep playing if you really want to. My bad. But doesn't anwers the question: What to do to keep seasons interesting after 2 months and keep non-seasonal players not moaning about it?

Your entire post was contradicted with your edit. There are many suggestions on how to make the seasonal and game better all over the place. My overall suggestion for the non-seasonal players would be, if you don't want to take part in that half of the game, don't meddle with it. "I can't play kuz my friends all play seasonal."? Maybe you should play seasonal. I've had a few friends who've been skeptical about because of D3's RNG, and now we all play seasonally, together. Why? As much fun as it is destroying everything on a GG geared character, it is also fun to play the game from scratch. No paragons, no gems, and no gear. I think Season 7 instead of seeing who got the highest GR, we raced paragons. It was fun. It also brings to line new players. Season starts and everybody is new, whereas in non-seasonal, you've got 4k paragons, GG gear and destroy everything, how on earth does somebody who bought a box yesterday catch up? Enough off topic though. If we blindly accept "ANY improvement" to the game... See "Berry Sparkle Cake Attack" above.

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The problems are not the items, it's the paragon system and teamplay vs. soloplay thats the problem.

You compete on not even terms. How can a soloplayer even get close to the same paragon as a player that usually grind in a 4-man team. This also goes to leveling up gems and arguementing gear.

There should be an option preferably when you create your character or atleast when you enter your first greater rift. That saves you to a leaderboard type. This includes gems and items achived from greater rifts.

That would atleast set the soloboards to fair and reasonable propotion.

Adding better items is not bad it's motivating and if you then look at the leaderboards well yes ofcourse the ones with the best gear are usually in the top, the season is long and what's stopping everyone to get the good gear themselfs to compete even with 2-4hrs/day gameplay. People should start compete more against themselfs then look at others.

I agree with the first statement here. Completely. They really should do something about it. What should they do though? They had to add all the group bonuses to get people to play in groups. It was more advantageous if you solo'd Diablo on the highest difficulty you could prior to the RMAH/AH departing, and the group exp/magic find buff. I agree, there should be a form of trading available in game, but if you were around in those times, a level 55 1h sword would sell for 20m gold. Not a lot by today's standards, but this was before the Boon of the Hoarder. You had enough to repair if you were lucky, without selling items on the AH.

The third bit in there, about having separate leaderboards is redundant unless you plan on secluding yourself from playing with your friends. I agree it's not a good system, but realistically saying 'I'm only playing solo this season' is kind of, well, limiting. The idea is to expand your options. I'd agree that support builds, skills that affect others in your group, and the exp buff could go out the window, but then we're back to a solo player game. As far as adding better items, how does adding Primals fix any of the issues that are currently plaguing the game? By adding a lucky drop that might close a little bit of paragon gap, that they'll have anyway AND a drop or 12 more of their own? I'm not against build diversity, but I used to hate builds that REQUIRED item X to work, because despite having all the other 12 pieces, not having that 13th broke everything. Admittedly, Legendaries rain from the sky, but they aren't all good. Some of them are downright bad. Ancients suffer the same RNG; I give you, the new and improved Mandald Heal, pinnacle of the Wiz Season 9. If you want to be competitive on the solo leaderboards (I'm talking Top 1000 at this point, 1 month into the season) you NEED one, and not just an okay one, but a well rolled, if not perfect one. The range on the affix is 1000% damage, and a real difference maker when mobs have higher health pools. Now imagine if you will, Primals exist, and they are extremely rare. You are the luckiest of lucky people and get a Primal Ancient Mandald Heal to drop really early in the season. You're SO excited about the red border, and then you look at the stats on the ring;
-Int
-AR
-RCR
-%Life
-Enemies stunned by Paralysis take 13,231% weapon damage, as Lightning.

How excited are you now, that one of the rarest and most sought after items for Wizards in the game, is now yours and wearing it is actually worse than wearing an Ancient one with -CHC -CHD - CDR -Socket, -13987%? Which in and of itself would be a miracle to get, unless, as is current format, you spent 16 hours a day farming Grifts and paragons. Adding items isn't a bad thing, adding better items, not a bad thing. Adding better versions of what we already have, for no other purpose than for power creep, is bad. It's an old adage at this point, but if you're not using an ancient weapon, it's not worth playing. They've tried to alleviate that by making (absurd btw) power gains on sets and legendary affixes. Anything they add numbers wise is a bad thing. If you really look at it. "The leaderboards are cluttered with people spamming 4 man meta groups all day and then soloing GR 102 with all the stuff they got from that portion of the game". That's not going to change unless something is done to drastically reduce the bonuses to group play. To build on that even more, the more they add, the bigger the divide between players becomes. The honest truth of it is that paragons are a problem. Nobody is denying that, but if we blindly accept this as a 'good thing' without actually questioning it, we're doomed to repeat the failure that is paragons.

Does the secondary "thorns" go up as well?

Does nobody realize that this is actually a good thing?

Paragon will now be even less important considering the diminishing returns on mainstat...

This is a step in the right direction people!

I wonder who on the team came up with this brilliant idea. Obviously not the person writing community responses or they would've realized this is SOLELY power creep for power creep's sake and nothing else which is directly what whoever wrote that community response said the team was trying to avoid. I guess "we" in that case meant "everyone, but the chode that gets to decide what's in the game".

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I agree with you that seasons are not rewarding enough,but a requirement of previous season achivements for current season rewards is not a good idea for the reasons Shapookya explained in his post.

Off the top of my head,as a reward,they could implement transmog rewards for set dungeons,obtainable only in seasons.Like each set dungeon adds a little spice to its set,and doing all set dungeons for a class unlocks a complete badass transmog set for the class.Considering that set dungeons currently offer no reward,they're the ideal candiate for such a thing,if blizz is thinking adding more cosmetic stuff.

Also off-topic,in your post you say "if this is all we are getting until the expansion".Is there a blue post stating there wont be a major patch after this one or something?Just curious.

The whole point of things like the sage set is a trade off. Losing slots, damage, toughness in order to gain more death's breathe. I like things like this because it leads to more diversity, different gear slots, different builds for a different type of farming route. What your offering doesn't give any extra decision or add any extra depth/diversity it simply says "gonna do bounties, best slot in my bounty gem. Gonna do rifts, best slot in my blood shard gem" etc. Which to me doesn't add anything to the game, just more pointless gear swapping.

Even F2P MMORPG have a way to stop and ban boters! Why can't blizzard do something?

Almost every F2P game uses a "confirm your not a robot" every 1h.

I think they should kick out the botters too. But honestly if your using the leaderboards just to sort of rank yourself / compare yourself to others then just look at the boards with a discount.

If you are top 50 right now, just realize you're actually probably top 30 among non-botters. That simple. You can even get really into and look at the hours played on every person ahead of you and give yourself a more accurate rank... It won't show up on blizzards list that way, but who cares? This is al just personal edification at this point.

its not like some1 botting is adversely affecting your game, or somehow negatively impacting the progress you make this season.

Real life? Never heard of that server.