Equinox, before I overstep my speculation-meter here and maybe I do sometimes - we don't know how this is going to pan out when the full game is released.
I think Blizzard has learned something about how to properly implement a PvP system after adjusting the balance in WoW for so long. Maybe the original point was a bit vague for you but advancing your character will always involve a certain level of skill in PvE, so it's a given.
As for that final point, the trading community will always circulate the best items for PvP and PvE - there won't be anything like an arena system for item-rewards as far as we know - thankfully.
The demand on top-tier Hell-Difficulty gear for PvP or PvE will be a massive market. That's the line I'm drawing through PvE and PvP in terms of how they are related.
You have your own view of how Diablo 2 worked which is fine. The game changed by leaps and bounds from patches like 1.03 to 1.08 to post 1.08. Duping used to be wide-spread on Closed Battle.net (Carrion Song and Occulus Rings anybody?) so you can't look to Diablo II's model in terms of how we'll see Diablo III evolve.
PvP Characters and Seperate PvE characters should be a thing of the past if they implement the much-demanded ability to re-allocate your skill points to suit a different environment.
As for "WoW Rogues" the class was never overpowered - the mage and warlock were the "Magic Rock" to the rogues scissors. Frost novas/Ice Blocks/Seduce/Death Coil/Howl of Terror/Fear/Water Elemental
Balance is just that, something that needs to be maintained. We'll see how it plays out. No reason for negativity.
It's always been that way though, if you aren't good at playing your class in PvE (IE when this game comes out and you're part of the first wave of players who just rip through to Hell Difficulty) you don't stand a chance at PvP - you'll get trumped by players who have dealt with worse.
The skills for avoiding attacks/dishing out unreal damage come with experience in sticky situations like the encounters we've seen in the videos released so far.
The good guilds, the good players; will all be full of those who pride themselves on dominating the trade market (items, trading them to benefit them and their guild)
For all we know this game even incorporates an enchanting-type system. The guilds with the best player-buffs will blow through the final Difficulty of this game and be rewarded for it.
The majority of the time spent in this game until you reach the level cap will be playing with CLOSE friends (Guildmates) who have the gear and the experience to make the co-op amazingly fun and easy.
Well, one thing that normal PvP games do is create 2 sets of rules: one for PvE, one for PvP. Double balancing is usually too hard and too pointless to do. And if there is a PvP ruleset, stuff like Slow Time is a joke to balance. Which is why discussing imbalances is fruitless. The skill could be nerfed for PvP, or not even be available in PvP.
Also, the bad balancing in WoW is there on purpose. If Blizzard wanted to balance that game, they would, just as they have balanced StarCraft.
And, again, usually balancing gaps are in the numbers.
I have a feeling the 'balance' in PvP is going to be heavily dependent on your gear as usual. Taking the bubble out of the equation for PvP would be unfortunately sad but I can see a slowing penalty of some kind - perhaps just not as effective as it would be versus mobs.
They just want us to have a fun game, we're all looking forward to seeing how the PvP system plays out! We haven't even seen what the other unannounced classes are bringing to the table.
With the M rating you know we're going to see some epic amounts of gore near the endgame. Hopefully some really fantastic animations too during boss encounters.
How can you start to even thinkk about imbalances when you barely know how the game works outside seeing the very limited footage released so far...
Come on was that comment just spite?
Blizzard is known for a certain level of consistency. Sharp weapons versus a cloth character. I can't see him whirlwinding into a Time-Slow bubble without some sort of anti-caster arsenal skill-wise.
The wiki has a fairly detailed list of available skills for these classes as well. It's also the Diablo 3 forums, speculation was bound to happen.
Kiting a melee class as a caster is just common practice, it happens in every game not just World of Warcraft or Diablo.
Got Diablo the week it came out along with my elementary school friends.
Diablo 2 was an event for us.
First LOD Box out of the Purolator crate at EBGames on release day.
Absolutely stoked as I'm sure most of you are for the day Diablo 3 finally comes out and we can start forming guilds and a real solid active community on Battle.net.
For Diablo 2 although Barbarian was the first class I got my Baron title with I think Sorceress ended up being my favorite. The way you play your class differs greatly from person to person.
I have a feeling a decent Barbarian in Diablo 3 will train-wreck a Sorceress in PvP - conversely the rock-paper-scissors class war will always be what fuels people to improve.
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I think Blizzard has learned something about how to properly implement a PvP system after adjusting the balance in WoW for so long. Maybe the original point was a bit vague for you but advancing your character will always involve a certain level of skill in PvE, so it's a given.
As for that final point, the trading community will always circulate the best items for PvP and PvE - there won't be anything like an arena system for item-rewards as far as we know - thankfully.
The demand on top-tier Hell-Difficulty gear for PvP or PvE will be a massive market. That's the line I'm drawing through PvE and PvP in terms of how they are related.
You have your own view of how Diablo 2 worked which is fine. The game changed by leaps and bounds from patches like 1.03 to 1.08 to post 1.08. Duping used to be wide-spread on Closed Battle.net (Carrion Song and Occulus Rings anybody?) so you can't look to Diablo II's model in terms of how we'll see Diablo III evolve.
PvP Characters and Seperate PvE characters should be a thing of the past if they implement the much-demanded ability to re-allocate your skill points to suit a different environment.
As for "WoW Rogues" the class was never overpowered - the mage and warlock were the "Magic Rock" to the rogues scissors. Frost novas/Ice Blocks/Seduce/Death Coil/Howl of Terror/Fear/Water Elemental
Balance is just that, something that needs to be maintained. We'll see how it plays out. No reason for negativity.
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It's always been that way though, if you aren't good at playing your class in PvE (IE when this game comes out and you're part of the first wave of players who just rip through to Hell Difficulty) you don't stand a chance at PvP - you'll get trumped by players who have dealt with worse.
The skills for avoiding attacks/dishing out unreal damage come with experience in sticky situations like the encounters we've seen in the videos released so far.
The good guilds, the good players; will all be full of those who pride themselves on dominating the trade market (items, trading them to benefit them and their guild)
For all we know this game even incorporates an enchanting-type system. The guilds with the best player-buffs will blow through the final Difficulty of this game and be rewarded for it.
The majority of the time spent in this game until you reach the level cap will be playing with CLOSE friends (Guildmates) who have the gear and the experience to make the co-op amazingly fun and easy.
I believe we called that Synergy in D2
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Can only imagine how busy it will be here next year.
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I have a feeling the 'balance' in PvP is going to be heavily dependent on your gear as usual. Taking the bubble out of the equation for PvP would be unfortunately sad but I can see a slowing penalty of some kind - perhaps just not as effective as it would be versus mobs.
They just want us to have a fun game, we're all looking forward to seeing how the PvP system plays out! We haven't even seen what the other unannounced classes are bringing to the table.
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Come on was that comment just spite?
Blizzard is known for a certain level of consistency. Sharp weapons versus a cloth character. I can't see him whirlwinding into a Time-Slow bubble without some sort of anti-caster arsenal skill-wise.
The wiki has a fairly detailed list of available skills for these classes as well. It's also the Diablo 3 forums, speculation was bound to happen.
Kiting a melee class as a caster is just common practice, it happens in every game not just World of Warcraft or Diablo.
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Got Diablo the week it came out along with my elementary school friends.
Diablo 2 was an event for us.
First LOD Box out of the Purolator crate at EBGames on release day.
Absolutely stoked as I'm sure most of you are for the day Diablo 3 finally comes out and we can start forming guilds and a real solid active community on Battle.net.
(I'm rolling a Wizard!)
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For Diablo 2 although Barbarian was the first class I got my Baron title with I think Sorceress ended up being my favorite. The way you play your class differs greatly from person to person.
I have a feeling a decent Barbarian in Diablo 3 will train-wreck a Sorceress in PvP - conversely the rock-paper-scissors class war will always be what fuels people to improve.
I'm rolling a Wizard though