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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    Quote from "italofoca" »
    ''Be the best in pvp'' was the only reason for YOU to play D2.
    And the only reason ppl dumped VIT is because you REALLY need it for PvM, expecially if you are hc-p8, and the shield block is caped with a few DEX points.

    No, it's the only reason to play. There are two other possible reasons which have no merit:

    1. To PvM, which is utterly boring and repetitive as anyone who's played can tell you.

    2. To collect items and build characters. I fail to see what benefit these people get out of bothering to play bnet at all; if they're satisfied simply by improving their virtual selves and don't care about others then why don't they play single player?

    In real life, self improvement is fulfilling and fantastic. After learning difficult concepts or finishing a tough workout, everyone feels good about themselves. But getting pleasure purely from improvement in a video game? Come--the fuck--on. There's absolutely no point in improving and reaching the pinnacle of power if you can't compare yourself to others (favorably, I might add) in PvP.

    Really, if anyone here thinks there was any reason to play Diablo 2 besides PvP they're an utter fool, and I don't have anything more to say to them. Thus deriding D2 pvp is deriding the only purpose of D2 in the first place, and if you hate D2 then gtfo.
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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    The rest of your post is the typical ramble of someone who has obviously never played Nox multiplayer if he considers Diablo II PvP anywhere near edible. I can do nothing but laugh at that. The only reason DII PvP exists is because some poeple just can't satisfy their superiority complex through the PvM so they go into the PvP to own all the noobs with their godly items. DII PvP is worthless.

    Wow. You must really hate Diablo 2 then.

    You can't be saying that the reason you played that game was to kill Baal over and over...can you..? I'm afraid if you answer yes to that question, I'm going to have to question your sanity. And if you answer no, then Diablo 2 held nothing for you and I've just got to ask: why are you here?

    By the way, enjoying one's victories doesn't automatically equate to having a superiority complex. I have to admit that seeing so many idiots did sort of give me one in that game, though. But is that wrong? To say "I'm better than everyone else at this", when all the evidence points to it?
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    posted a message on Auto Stats and Vitality
    Whoosh. That's the sound of my post going entirely over your head linkx. Maybe you should read it again and try to understand it this time.

    The fact that my point is apparently completely beyond you highlights the total lack of understanding that people with your views on diablo customization have.
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    posted a message on Auto Stats and Vitality
    Quote from "mattheo_majik" »
    Your argument does make sense and is on a right path but as the proverb goes, your only looking at one side of the coin.

    There is only one side of the coin. Observe the following facts:

    1. For any given class matchup, there will be a best gear, skill, and rune combination. I'm going to ignore anyone who argues this fact because they're wrong, plain and simple. And neither I, nor any true Diablo fan, give a rats ass about PvM, so please don't bother mentioning it--it's irrelevant, and nobody should care about it.

    2. The chief argument made against manual stats is that there was a best way to do it, meaning that a unique stat allocation and excellence were mutually exclusive.


    By the auto-stat logic, any route of customization that has a best way is useless, and should be removed from the game. I submit to you that all routes of customization will be found to have a best way and thus by your own, foolish, arguments customization should not exist at all.

    The only variable in that case would be player skill, making Diablo 3 nothing more than a 3d action game with no RPG elements whatsoever. I hope you can see the hilarious irony, given that your crowd ceaselessly chants "more customization less limitation".
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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    Yes, I want to remove that tiny difficulty and add something worthwhile in. Such as game skill. Which doesn't exist in Diablo except maaaaaaaaaaybe in PvP somewhere.

    And what of the rest of my post?
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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    So ultimately, what you're saying is this:

    "Diablo 2 is a simple and easy game once you get the hang of it. There are many counter-intuitive things in the game which make doing so maybe slightly difficult. Therefore, I'd like to take this already easy game, and entirely remove the learning curve."

    That makes no sense. By your own argument, the only thing even slightly difficult about D2 is figuring out its counterintuitive tricks. And you want to remove even that tiny difficulty?

    Again, not that I agree in any way with your argument.


    Also, it's clear we're talking about two different games. You appear to be referring to D2 pvm, which can hardly be considered a game at all. The only reason to play D2 was to be the best at pvp. That was where build and gear truly came into play. And for all you peoples' ceaseless whining that "everyone just dumped everything into vit", why did I never once run into a barb with more life than me. Why did I run into countless uber geared barbs with only 5k life, who ostensibly knew what they were doing and would obviously (I hope the sarcasm is clear) have known how to make a perfect stat distribution.

    Why, back in 09, when I was pumping str with base vit and killing barbs with 4 times my life pool, did I run into so few like myself? Because the majority of people didn't know what they were doing. The majority of people will never know what they are doing. Giving them my perfect stat distribution, for free, is utter nonsense.
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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    It requires intuitivity.

    Why is that, if it's already such a "easy and simplistic" game to you. Not that I agree. Diablo 2 had just enough complexity to confound hordes of "perpetual noobs" (those who played the game for years without ever comprehending game mechanics), yet those very same mechanics could be understood and eventually mastered by intelligent players. This of course led to a lot of excitement in trading and pvp at the top, along with some mindless fun owning entire pub games. But that was the point--D2 had a place for everyone, but the places at the top were reserved for the best. It sounds to me like more than a few in this thread want the places at the top to be open to all; those perpetual noobs I was talking about?...

    I think REN said it best as far as Diablo's casual/hardcore duality.
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    posted a message on Worried about casualizing D3
    The point is not that diablo 2 is uber hardcore, as so many of you fools have been trying, unsuccessfully, to twist it.

    The point is that diablo 2 was already a reasonably casual game, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that it requires any more dumbing down, newb-friendliness, or simplicity.
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    posted a message on Auto Stats and Vitality
    Again, equinox, your argument is predicated on an irrelevant era in D2 history: the post-1.09 period.

    Prior to 1.10, strength DID make a good warrior, as you might recall. It was only after 1.10 fucked diablo entirely that stats became a joke. Funnily enough, I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the people who love the idea of auto stats also loved 1.10.
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    posted a message on Auto Stats and Vitality
    Quote from "LinkX" »
    Which is why Blizzard is making it automatic. Diablo 2, the oldies knew the game inside and out, and basically nobody could get in without a shit load of studying the game. Blizzard is trying to make Diablo 3 so you can jump right in without worrying about making some stupid little mistake that could ruin your character.

    You inadvertently just proved the point every manual-stats person has been trying to make: Blizzard removing stats is a way of dumbing down the game for newer players. Thread over.

    Btw, if you don't want to have to study a game in order to understand it and excel at it, why don't you go play a flash game or something? It sounds like you're saying success in D3 should be based on two things: time input, and mouseclicking skill. Yeehaw..

    Hey, at least your vision (which coincides with Blizzard's, unfortunately) is still better than WoW, which lops off that pesky mouseclicking skill part.

    Edit: Besides, if you thought D2 required a lot of studying to excel, you really ought to play more RPGs..
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    posted a message on So why exactly does Tyrael have spikes on him now... :(
    no idea. i didn't like it either.
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    posted a message on Stats idea for Diablo 3
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    I liked my idea better.

    But I doubt there's any point in discussing stats now. They'll stay auto.

    There was never any point in discussing stats or complaining about anything D3-related. New Blizzard has their own, flawed, vision of this sequel, and nothing anyone says is going to change their mind. They will act to correct these flaws if, and only if, a negative opinion is widespread enough that it might impact the sales of the game. Which we all know, thanks to the millions of WoW-era gamers, will never happen.
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    posted a message on Music in Diablo 3
    Oh please, anyone defending this kid's right to post like an idiot needs to wake up. Maybe jumping on him post after post is a little over the top, equinox. But, I know when I was 13 and posting on Diabloworld.com, I had legitimate and involved arguments with adults. They could understand and respond to me because 1. My arguments were actually relevant and could be defended from a logical perspective, and 2. Because they were punctuated correctly and displayed proper grammar.

    And seriously, learning disabilities have nothing to do with this. If you're autistic, or dyslexic or something that's one thing. But a generic learning disability "in english" sounds to me like an excuse. Adding that you excel in math and science is an utterly irrelevant boast.
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    posted a message on Graphics in D3
    Quote from "SteelVelocity" »
    I am a mac guy, so if you want to play Diablo 3, wait until they announce beta to buy a new computer. A 512 mb processor is barely enough to play D2 on battle.net... so yes, you need a new computer.

    Do not listen to this, he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

    There's no such thing as a 512 "mb" processor, and you didn't even refer to your processor in the OP. Your graphics card should be adequate for D3, but probably won't be running on high.
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    posted a message on Music in Diablo 3
    Quote from "Dimebog" »
    Where the fuck did you hear all 'this' epic music? Really, I'm curious. Explain.

    If you're so "curious" why don't you watch the gameplay trailer you've been trying to shove down everyone's throat? The first scene with the barb killing all the zombies. The silly thousand pounder boss. The final Siege boss fight. Ring any fucking bells to you? If that isn't out of place, orchestral, epic music to you then you really are insane.
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