Life isn't worth being that attentive to detail. How about this is a religious debate based on text/images relative to the discussion. Somehow I doubt proving Ermac a major player in Diablo III is on par with providing evidence, speculative or not, of Tyrael's corruption. I also doubt chocolate filled, elf-shaped cookies would pose a significant threat to anything blunt and nearby.
Well they might stain some drapes, really bad.
But getting to the actual point of this thread and away from the nebulous assertions of religiosity, they're really inappropriate for a secular debate, I would think that if Tyreal did become corrupted why was he not destroyed immediately by members of the angelic host? With the existence of angels and demons we must assume that either A. there is a perfect divine entity that exists and would put a stop to the ultimate desecration, or B. that there is an angelic means of detecting the taint of evil that is infalible.
Obviously there is not a perfect divine, as there's no reasonable reason a God would allow manifest evil or for his own Angels to defy the 'natural order' to create their own realm. Therefore we have either an imperfect God whom has abandoned both Divine and Profane forces to their own devices, or there is no divine entity at all - Angels are it in terms of good, and demons their foil. If that is the case, then the corruption of an angel by a demon would represent cosmic collapse - the entirety of existence being torn apart.
Therefore we must instead accept that angels have some mean of determining whom is tainted and who is not. Even if Tyreal could hide it, like the Wanderer did after Diablo I, he would eventually succumb and the angelic hosts would kill him. It is also possible that either, being completely irredeemable, Tyreal fled heaven and if that is his flaming husk its only because of his flight or he allowed himself to be destroyed and the corruption of the world stone took on a life of its own with the death of an angelic host.
However, I do not subscribe to either theory. Nor do I believe the angelic hosts wish the destruction of Sanctuary. Instead I believe that by the events of first Diablo I and Diablo II, its expansion, and the books, that mankind proved itself as perfectly able if flawed beings capable of defending themselves. Tyreal is simply the chosen angelic icon for communicating with humanity as he did with the Horadrim, and the focus upon his character for Diablo III's release is because the PC's are the first in a new generation of warriors for the renewed Sin War.
Consider this a religious debate, though I commend your ability to argue over semantics, nothing here is provable so don't bother looking for solid evidence.
If that is true, then I could make the argument that the true villain of Diablo III is the Keebler Elves, and to find them you must unlock and defeat Eramac from Mortal Kombat in a button mashing kill fest via the secret cow level to enter the knothole and play a Gradius style level dodging cookie doom, and have it be viable rhetoric. Even if the content of an argument cannot be proven the quality of the argument should be considered.
I have a fundamental problem with much of the claims here. First of all, a matter of terminology: a theory is a supposition based on proveable evidence. Literally, the difference between a random guess and a theorum, is that the theory requires some aspect which can be proved absolutely. The standards for that evidence varies from subject to subject and it would be unreasonable to expect scientific quality proofs here. However, the second problem that has occured to me is the tools being used for proof.
Most of the content here is pictographic, stills and artwork by the Diablo staff. While undoubtedly Blizzard knows what its doing and what its content means, we fans whom are not insiders have no bar of quality for our knowledge or way to prove our guesses when derived from images; some of which are little more than flickering pieces of fire whose shapes or lack thereof are entirely up to the viewer. If we are to actually deduce the significance of Tyreal in Diablo III, we either will have to improve the quality of our arguments, or wait for the game to come out.
For instance, the claim that Diablo III contains some kind of hydra-like construct has not been proved to me. The Hydra was a many headed reptile whom was killed by Heracles, but distinctly of a serpentine format. The one multi-headed image of what appears to be Diablo is not so, and I will not comment on the apparent serpent like appearance of any fireballs from the sky. If anything I would make the claim that since Cerberus, the first hundered-headed and later three-headed hound of hell also slain by Heracles in myth, was one of the prototypes for the later descriptons of Satan as "The Beast" and the image from the preview film was a three headed entity perhaps Diablo has become a beastial amalgamation of Diablo, Mephisto, and Baal in a single all powerful entity, but I have no proof one way or the other.
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Well they might stain some drapes, really bad.
But getting to the actual point of this thread and away from the nebulous assertions of religiosity, they're really inappropriate for a secular debate, I would think that if Tyreal did become corrupted why was he not destroyed immediately by members of the angelic host? With the existence of angels and demons we must assume that either A. there is a perfect divine entity that exists and would put a stop to the ultimate desecration, or B. that there is an angelic means of detecting the taint of evil that is infalible.
Obviously there is not a perfect divine, as there's no reasonable reason a God would allow manifest evil or for his own Angels to defy the 'natural order' to create their own realm. Therefore we have either an imperfect God whom has abandoned both Divine and Profane forces to their own devices, or there is no divine entity at all - Angels are it in terms of good, and demons their foil. If that is the case, then the corruption of an angel by a demon would represent cosmic collapse - the entirety of existence being torn apart.
Therefore we must instead accept that angels have some mean of determining whom is tainted and who is not. Even if Tyreal could hide it, like the Wanderer did after Diablo I, he would eventually succumb and the angelic hosts would kill him. It is also possible that either, being completely irredeemable, Tyreal fled heaven and if that is his flaming husk its only because of his flight or he allowed himself to be destroyed and the corruption of the world stone took on a life of its own with the death of an angelic host.
However, I do not subscribe to either theory. Nor do I believe the angelic hosts wish the destruction of Sanctuary. Instead I believe that by the events of first Diablo I and Diablo II, its expansion, and the books, that mankind proved itself as perfectly able if flawed beings capable of defending themselves. Tyreal is simply the chosen angelic icon for communicating with humanity as he did with the Horadrim, and the focus upon his character for Diablo III's release is because the PC's are the first in a new generation of warriors for the renewed Sin War.
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If that is true, then I could make the argument that the true villain of Diablo III is the Keebler Elves, and to find them you must unlock and defeat Eramac from Mortal Kombat in a button mashing kill fest via the secret cow level to enter the knothole and play a Gradius style level dodging cookie doom, and have it be viable rhetoric. Even if the content of an argument cannot be proven the quality of the argument should be considered.
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Most of the content here is pictographic, stills and artwork by the Diablo staff. While undoubtedly Blizzard knows what its doing and what its content means, we fans whom are not insiders have no bar of quality for our knowledge or way to prove our guesses when derived from images; some of which are little more than flickering pieces of fire whose shapes or lack thereof are entirely up to the viewer. If we are to actually deduce the significance of Tyreal in Diablo III, we either will have to improve the quality of our arguments, or wait for the game to come out.
For instance, the claim that Diablo III contains some kind of hydra-like construct has not been proved to me. The Hydra was a many headed reptile whom was killed by Heracles, but distinctly of a serpentine format. The one multi-headed image of what appears to be Diablo is not so, and I will not comment on the apparent serpent like appearance of any fireballs from the sky. If anything I would make the claim that since Cerberus, the first hundered-headed and later three-headed hound of hell also slain by Heracles in myth, was one of the prototypes for the later descriptons of Satan as "The Beast" and the image from the preview film was a three headed entity perhaps Diablo has become a beastial amalgamation of Diablo, Mephisto, and Baal in a single all powerful entity, but I have no proof one way or the other.