nerfing barbs and not touching an OP DH gives us this result.
I think the feedback about ('nerfing') barbarians is duly noted by the devs, and if they agree, we'll see changes next patch.
Still, if you want more support for your opinion(s), never suggest that another class should be touched/nerfed - it's unkind, it's not going to happen (blizzard does not nerf in D3, unless in extreme cases (barb nerf was in PTR, so not a nerf)), and people maining the class you want nerfed are going to hate you and disregard everything you say. This is not american politics where you get ahead by just focusing on trashtalking your opponents
they nerfed barbs before RoS but we still playyed.
im saying why Blizz didnt nerf DHs and Wizs because they nerfed barbs in same situation. i mean they know new DH and Wiz sets OP and will change game standarts for sure. u re nerfing 1 class and not touching others even u know other 2 classes OP too.
after more then 1 year release of RoS barbs still cannot play at 4man group at competitive level. only good thing about barb was that '' u can play solo at highest competitive level''. but as u can see no more solo leading. solo play is dead also. because with a DH or a Wiz u can play high GR for xp and item farm. as alkaizer said group play is 20x better then solo play now. thats because new OP Classes.
in that situation i dont think barb was really too OP at PTR.
and i wanna say about that ULTRA HIGH PARAGON THREAD. thats because DHs too way OP. last season u can play 33-35 speed GRs. but this season u can play 45-47 with a DH main DPS. yep ofcourse barbs can play at this lv of speed GRs. but not without a DH.
nerfing barbs and not touching an OP DH gives us this result.
lets hear your toughts about GR74 4man and DH GR64 RECORD.
barb nerfed because they cleared 65 with a bugged holy build and GR70 with 2x barb as DPS in PTR.. today 4man and solo RECORDS far beyond that PTR RECORDS.
u still think barb is TOO OP ? and DH is NOT TOOOOO OPPPP ?
I feel your pain man. However, do note that the group GR7X clears with DH took a long time before they got to that point, whereas GR70 with barbs happened within like a week(?). Assuming there is a gearing and learning curve for the top-end GR levels, one might argue that by now, barbarians would have cleared GR75+.
There's one big thing to understand in a game like this, and that is that ranged classes will out-dps melee classes - because they can go full glasscannon whereas barbarians will have to tank damage while dealing damage. To me, thats the end of the discussion for the current meta. We'll see how it goes when they put the hammer down on 100% crowd control - if that means that you need to take some hits, barbarian will actually be in a great place for groups.
ty man.
yep it took a bit long to DH clear 7x GR. because they cant clear that 7x GR at low paragon. at PTR 2x barb as DPS they cleared 70 at first week but both barbs are around1k para and have high end game items.
u say barbs could clear 75+ but i think at the end of season (i mean 2 more months) 4man GR record will be 75+ too with 2x DH. as u can see ZE record holder group keeps gainin paragons and items.
lets hear your toughts about GR74 4man and DH GR64 RECORD.
barb nerfed because they cleared 65 with a bugged holy build and GR70 with 2x barb as DPS in PTR.. today 4man and solo RECORDS far beyond that PTR RECORDS.
u still think barb is TOO OP ? and DH is NOT TOOOOO OPPPP ?
IK set 500% dmg was just a test as bracers were. Using term "nerf" to address PRT changes is in my opinion not most accurate. When you test something in order to balance it, Its best to set it very high (500) so that you can proportionally balance it after seeing its heights . Leaving IK at 500% would not only make WotW set useless but make barbs crazy OP. Though now with 100% IK6 is almost useless. It should have at least 150-200% bonus dmg IMO.
Now, not removing bracers on the other hand would make barbs stronger than DH and wizards more than they are stronger than barbs now, So you would create more problems then now ( since 2 classes being on top satisfied more players then one class being on top)
Removing bracers was unfortunate since the way they were removed ( last minute ) But at least we got something to look forward to in future patch. Barbs will see their prime again, Im sure.
i agree that %500 IK set for testing purpose. but we tested IK set with Morticks all time.
i really dont care DH or Wiz leads ladder. but after that bracers removed we lost our high gr 4man group play chance.
everybody knows barb mechanics better for solo play and barbs are really good at solo gr also.but we dont have a chance to play 4man group now as always.
i dont think that the problem is who leading ladder ? DH or Barb ? 1 class or 2-3 class ? thats not the case.
You are both incorrect. Bracers were OP. But they might be back in next patch, though with adding only single rune . Having single random WOTB rune on bracers would make barb right there with DH and wizards.
Top s3 barb now is lvl 60
If we use insanity as standard rune Mortics would give us 50% more toughness ( so we could use CoE with IK/wastes setup =50% more dmg ) more life regen so that blood funnel would not be necessary, so we could use fury rune on ww giving us another passive from not using weapon master. Slayer rune would make us even more insane and WoTB fire rune would give 100% proc (if that remained) that would render it insane all around...
Given all that IM sure barbs would clear 3-5 rift levels above what they do now. Which is 63-65 while top wizards,DH are 62...
ty u r right bracers possibly will come with single rune.
as u say barbs can clear 3-5 lvs above what they to with bracers. if u look at S2 ladder for DH and Wiz u can see they cleared at S3 far more that 3-5 levels. S2 top DH 54 now at S3 62. wiz S2 53 now at S3 62.
barb S2 top was 56 and now at S3 60.
DHs and Wizs progress are far more better.
the point that i wanna say that barbs got 2 nerfs . IK set nerf and bracers removed. but they tought that OP tal rasha and nat set just fine.
maybe just removing bracers and not touching IK set (%500 ) or nerfing IK set and giving us bracers were better solution.
Give it a rest. The bracers are not coming back, no matter how much you whine.
Classes are relatively balanced, they are all within 5 levels of GR. There were other seasons when DH was really OP, but this is not the case right now.
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i really cant believe that a paid game have that lag issues. Helltooth still making lags and now REND !!!!!
i can play REND BARB at 2 player group. if there is no mob no lag . if i got good mob for progress game just freezess.
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actually i just wanna learn about that new sup barb. im a barb player and for sure i ll play DD and Sup both.
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hey MHM. great video as always.
im just wondering if u can make a few videos for barb players who wanna play only barb at season 4.
barb seems like can play Speed GRs with sup build for xp. i think 2x barb is enough for season 4. 1x sup and 1x Damage Dealer.
i like to hear your thoughts about that.
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i always killing all mobs including elites.
sometimes they kicking me because they cant hit any mob
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i ll try it for sure
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my theory if Blizz didnt remove Morticks...
barbs could clear solo 65+
and the most important thing in there :::: Barbs can play 70+ 4man group !!!!!
sure DH players can say '' still barbs leading ladder'' but i dont think that barbs can dominate like seasons before.
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they nerfed barbs before RoS but we still playyed.
im saying why Blizz didnt nerf DHs and Wizs because they nerfed barbs in same situation. i mean they know new DH and Wiz sets OP and will change game standarts for sure. u re nerfing 1 class and not touching others even u know other 2 classes OP too.
after more then 1 year release of RoS barbs still cannot play at 4man group at competitive level. only good thing about barb was that '' u can play solo at highest competitive level''. but as u can see no more solo leading. solo play is dead also. because with a DH or a Wiz u can play high GR for xp and item farm. as alkaizer said group play is 20x better then solo play now. thats because new OP Classes.
in that situation i dont think barb was really too OP at PTR.
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and i wanna say about that ULTRA HIGH PARAGON THREAD. thats because DHs too way OP. last season u can play 33-35 speed GRs. but this season u can play 45-47 with a DH main DPS. yep ofcourse barbs can play at this lv of speed GRs. but not without a DH.
nerfing barbs and not touching an OP DH gives us this result.
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ty man.
yep it took a bit long to DH clear 7x GR. because they cant clear that 7x GR at low paragon. at PTR 2x barb as DPS they cleared 70 at first week but both barbs are around1k para and have high end game items.
u say barbs could clear 75+ but i think at the end of season (i mean 2 more months) 4man GR record will be 75+ too with 2x DH. as u can see ZE record holder group keeps gainin paragons and items.
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lets hear your toughts about GR74 4man and DH GR64 RECORD.
barb nerfed because they cleared 65 with a bugged holy build and GR70 with 2x barb as DPS in PTR.. today 4man and solo RECORDS far beyond that PTR RECORDS.
u still think barb is TOO OP ? and DH is NOT TOOOOO OPPPP ?
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6WW+4IK barb easiest. if u find a ancient IK wep u .
i cleared 50 after dropped a good IK wep at first try.
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i agree that %500 IK set for testing purpose. but we tested IK set with Morticks all time.
i really dont care DH or Wiz leads ladder. but after that bracers removed we lost our high gr 4man group play chance.
everybody knows barb mechanics better for solo play and barbs are really good at solo gr also.but we dont have a chance to play 4man group now as always.
i dont think that the problem is who leading ladder ? DH or Barb ? 1 class or 2-3 class ? thats not the case.
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ty u r right bracers possibly will come with single rune.
as u say barbs can clear 3-5 lvs above what they to with bracers. if u look at S2 ladder for DH and Wiz u can see they cleared at S3 far more that 3-5 levels. S2 top DH 54 now at S3 62. wiz S2 53 now at S3 62.
barb S2 top was 56 and now at S3 60.
DHs and Wizs progress are far more better.
the point that i wanna say that barbs got 2 nerfs . IK set nerf and bracers removed. but they tought that OP tal rasha and nat set just fine.
maybe just removing bracers and not touching IK set (%500 ) or nerfing IK set and giving us bracers were better solution.
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mate pls shut up and play ur DH.
ty