You have read the threads around here right? Ever heard of Starcraft? Ya, those people left? Ever heard of Starcraft 2? Hmm...
I wasn't aware the people of the original starcraft left. Fill me in more pls?
And since theyre coming out with Starcraft 2, announced and all, it will get the job done. Even though it looks like all they have are new units and graphics (no game mechanic changes, or warcraft 3 equivolant of hero classes), it still looks worthy of the purchase. Plus I like that storyline alot, almost as much as diablo, i personally think the warcraft storyline is balls all over mouths.
The point is; We're seeing a starcraft 2 because they were able to create a kickass Starcraft 2, regardless of whether or not the original starcraft minds are included in the new games creation. We're NOT seeing a Diablo 3 because they have NOT been able to create a kickass D3. If Blizzard North was still around, there would most likely be a D3 out and either an expansion or a D4 in the making, because their way of creating the diablo series worked really well.
The goal i've been trying to reach all along has been met, so I will not toil much unless something goes terribly awry.
Cain=Belial IMO. Why wouldn't demons kill a man in a cage 4 feet off the ground?
Well because only some of the headers left to flagship Blizz still has hope of creating a godlike game, fresh talent could replace the ones who left.(hopefully)
Hopefully for flagships sake, PPM doesn't split the game into 2 different groups of people, but only adds material to those who want to pay and doesn't completely leave behind the ones who don't.
i agree... this choice of PPM seems shaky
we'll have to see.
there is actually a lifetime subscription option right now, at least to some pre-order-ers, but i think they're toying with the idea of giving everyone the option to have a lifetime subscription for $120. At 10 a month this equates to a year of paying to play, and it gives flagship a nice amount of money for their first profit game.
FYI Flagship Studios has been operating since 2004, and has yet to make a single penny. Mythos, the 'D2 replica' top-view stop-and-cast fast paced game, is Flagship Studios' only other work, and once the beta is over, it will be released to the world for no charge at all, and cost nothing to play per month. They built this game to test their version of Battle.net (called Ping0) and its stability. They want to work out the bugs in their servers before HGL goes live.
As far as Ping0 Goes, they will be showcasing their servers and selling space to other games that want to ride Ping0's back for online gaming. Mythos and HGL will show how effective the servers can work, and so newer games will buy into serverspace from Ping0.
As you can see, Flagship studios is really banking on a win here =P
And EA is funding them, which means EA sees potential.
But then again, I don't hold EA too high in standards.
for the people who think this will kill Diablo 3 you are a moron
Anyone who says Diablo 3 > HGL is a moron. Something that doesn't exist can't beat something that does. Unless you have something missing upstairs.
It is, of course, fine to speculate that D3 will be better than HGL. I always hope that will be the case; due to the circumstances of how it will be created, I have my doubts.
I feel dumb
Did not know that.....that sucks.......kinda...
So your saying that everyone (the minds) who created D1 d2 went to flagship or only some? and also, If you don't PPM on HL can you have as good of items and skills as people who PPM?
they don't update their site too much and I'm too lazy to search for th information...
Sadly, after Blizzard North was shut down, only some of the minds went to Flagship. Most of the main headers are there, but as you can see, Hellgate London is very different from the diablo series. Since you can see the effect of loosing a few important visionaries through HGL, imagine what kind of losses are at hand with the new D3 working crew.
as for HGL
there will be no PPM only items, or PPM findable items. There will be areas, but I imagine those areas are basically the Pit of Acheron on Crack, Ancient Sewers, etc. All randomized as well. There is raid content, but its more along the lines of a long randomized 2 hour killing spree with a big bad at the end. chance to find loot (and of course a higher loot table) is the only thing that increases in these settings.
I also think this is at least partially correct. Yes blizzard has lost some of the great minds of D1 and D2 but this does not mean that Diablo 3 will not have the original diablo feel. This is the reason (also fun factor) why they are scrapping the projects, in my opinion.
For correctional purposes: The creators of the Diablo series were not part of blizzard when the idea started. After realizing that the Schaefer Brothers and Friends had a hit on their hands, Blizzard BOUGHT the small gaming company, and put Bill Roper as one of the heads of the Newly Founded Blizzard North.
Blizzard North had their hit, and created a smashing sequal with a fantastic followup. Then Blizzard North mysteriously got the shaft, and NO CHIEF OFFICERS OR DIRECTORS WENT BACK TO BLIZZARD. Blizzard only rehired some programmers and artists in such that they needed bulk, not idea builders.
So, in conlusion, Blizzard didn't lose some of the greatest minds that created D2. It lost them all.
AND FOR EVEN SHITTIER NEWS. They guy who created everyones favorite effect in WoW, yes, thats right, DAZE, decided Blizzard Sucked and went to Flagship studios, where he gave Mythos the Dazed effect.
[Blizzard]obviously will make a great game (because they're blizzard: Fiascos like starcraft Ghost don't hit shelves, and they don't announce games without potential), but it wont be the same flavor that D2 has. Part of the reason they haven't released a D3 yet is simply because they haven't been able to replicate the sweet spots D2 hit.
Going further into this; The Blizzard North team is what made the creation of the Diablo world possible. The Blizzard team is what made the starcraft and warcraft worlds possible. If blizzard were to have been shut down, Blizzard North would NOT be able to create new starcraft and warcraft games that struck the same calibur as the old ones. This rule is flippable = with the blizzard north team gone, blizzard cannot create a new diablo game that packs the same punch. My proof? the fact that Diablo 3 hasn't remotely been announced (I'm going to say eventually they will, but it still won't give the same diablo feel).
Blizzard has game ideas all the time, and see where they can take those ideas. After a small amount of exploration in their thoughts, they destroy shitty ideas. Which usually results to all of them being destroyed. This is why Blizzard Entertainment ended up with 3 Awesome Franchises and no crappy games. Blizzard is obviously trying to create a Diablo 3. They have been ever since Diablo 2: LoD came out. Its an obvious fact. Why stop a Billion Dollar Franchise? So why hasn't this company produced anything yet? Because they haven't been able to. They don't want to release some shitty half assed game, and thats what they have been creating (and scrapping over and over again). Blizzard North was the brain of the Diablo series, and without it, the Diablo series has come to a hault.
Diablo and HL are very different. If you think otherwise, you are very misinformed. HL: TPSRPG. Diablo: RPG. Diablo takes place in "old times." Hellgate London takes place in the future, not even modern times. Diablo has swords, HL has guns. HL is in a city, Diablo is in a natural landscape. The only similarities I can find are the creators (people, not company) and that you're fighting demons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I nailed the head. Quite.
well after playing diablo 2 for 6 years (and then quitting for 4) and playing hellgate london in the alpha for a week, the best way I can explain it is this:
Diablo 2 and Hellgate London are like a Real Pen1s and a D1ldo. They are VERY VERY different things, but they rub the same sensitive spot.
Yea i agree there different, but then again they have MANY similarities. IE all spells instant cast, inventory/paperdoll, non-refundable skillpoints, wierd-ass specs (meleemancer in D2, sacrificial explosion summoner HGL), even the drop mechanics are the same (when you kill onyxia in WoW, she has a chance to drop 1 in 20 or so items you can only find off of her, and those items are better than world drop items; when you kill mephisto or ______ in HGL, he has a chance to drop a boatload of items you can find everywhere). Items changing because of which mode it drops in (Normal Exceptional Elite). There are a little more than 100 different base weapons in HGL, which isn't as much as D2's 160, but this is alpha (these numbers do not include exceptional or elite weapons). And when you say creators, it is Literally the creators. Same Chief Officers, Same provisional directors, Same Visionary. Your creation enviornment is the same as Diablo 2's. The art director, Phil Shenk (yes, Shenk the artOverseer), Erich and Max Schaefer, creators of Schaefer's Mallet. Skullder of Skullder's Ire... Sadly, The Stone of Jordan has moved on to World of Warcraft and has stayed there after promotion to a Staff.
I'm kind of angry with the D3 crew. They're basically praising blizzard like the christian god and shunning the non believers.
Heres an example: J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series, is obviously finished with the Harry Potter line of books. She is currently working on a new book based on a different idea than magic, with no Harry Potter characters. The situation? The Harry Potter Fans are saying that J.K.R.'s new book is shit, and that the next Harry Potter book will rock regardless of the writer.
No we add the players: The Diablo series is the Harry Potter series, Hellgate London is the new book, Flagship Studios is J.K.R., and Harry Potter Fans are obviously Diablo 2 Fans.
Is it ok to make that judgement? I mean, she did crank out the fucking harry potter series... and now that shes out of that frame, does that make everything she writes suck? If I remember correctly, SHE made harry potter; Harry Potter didn't make her.
Same goes for a lot of people on this site. They are too busy wrapped up in the awesomeness of Diablo 2 to realized it was created. And Blizzard will not create on the same note as Blizzard North did. No, those two companies are not the same. They obviously will make a great game (because they're blizzard: Fiascos like starcraft Ghost don't hit shelves, and they don't announce games without potential), but it wont be the same flavor that D2 has. Part of the reason they haven't released a D3 yet is simply because they haven't been able to replicate the sweet spots D2 hit.
Another Analogy: A Guitarist created and can play a song really well. Is this due to the Guitarist? Or the Guitar?
You guys are screaming about how you don't want a D2 Replica. Well guess what: HGL isn't a Diablo 2 Replica. It's a step in a different direction. And it builds off of the ideas the team had for Diablo 2. They're considering creating something called a "monster fountain"; an instant boss respawning portal. Everytime you kill the damned beast it respawns, but this time its harder, stronger, etc... and it keeps repeating until you can't kill it anymore! Can you imagine that? thats fucking cool. The crew that Made Diablo and then went on to sodomize the baby-maker and have the child named Diablo 2, have once again moved on and created HGL.
I'm not angry with people who say D3 will be better than HGL, because frankly, I hope they're right. But we all have to remember something pretty fucking important; D3 doesn't exist yet. But I am pretty pissed off at the people who say HGL sucks. Those are the kind of people who help elect narrow minded dumb fucks like themselves into office.
On a sadder note, on most of the profiles of the ex-diablo Flagship Studio workers, they stated to have, while working as Blizzard North, worked on Diablo, Diablo II, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, and an unnanounced project. Well... Damn.
Well for those of you craving to kill demons, this should fill that gap... going into hell is a different story, but Diablo 2 only did that in Act 4...
Barbarian Whirlwind is back ^^
Its too bad these guys got dropped by blizzard. If Blizzard North was still together, I'm pretty sure we would be seeing a D3 instead of HGL. (FYI more than half the D2 creation team, excluding, you know, voice actors and testers etc, is in FLagship Studios).
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im readig that list of names and im thinking to myself good times
Rick (lord de) Seis
Jonathan "Jordan" Stone
Erich and Max Schaefer('s legendary mallet)
Phil Shenk (the overseer)
Geoff Fraizer (GFraizer, or Reziarfg)
BILL ROPER WAS THE VOICE OF DIABLO
lol. thats pretty good.
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I wasn't aware the people of the original starcraft left. Fill me in more pls?
And since theyre coming out with Starcraft 2, announced and all, it will get the job done. Even though it looks like all they have are new units and graphics (no game mechanic changes, or warcraft 3 equivolant of hero classes), it still looks worthy of the purchase. Plus I like that storyline alot, almost as much as diablo, i personally think the warcraft storyline is balls all over mouths.
The point is; We're seeing a starcraft 2 because they were able to create a kickass Starcraft 2, regardless of whether or not the original starcraft minds are included in the new games creation. We're NOT seeing a Diablo 3 because they have NOT been able to create a kickass D3. If Blizzard North was still around, there would most likely be a D3 out and either an expansion or a D4 in the making, because their way of creating the diablo series worked really well.
The goal i've been trying to reach all along has been met, so I will not toil much unless something goes terribly awry.
Cain=Belial IMO. Why wouldn't demons kill a man in a cage 4 feet off the ground?
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i agree... this choice of PPM seems shaky
we'll have to see.
there is actually a lifetime subscription option right now, at least to some pre-order-ers, but i think they're toying with the idea of giving everyone the option to have a lifetime subscription for $120. At 10 a month this equates to a year of paying to play, and it gives flagship a nice amount of money for their first profit game.
FYI Flagship Studios has been operating since 2004, and has yet to make a single penny. Mythos, the 'D2 replica' top-view stop-and-cast fast paced game, is Flagship Studios' only other work, and once the beta is over, it will be released to the world for no charge at all, and cost nothing to play per month. They built this game to test their version of Battle.net (called Ping0) and its stability. They want to work out the bugs in their servers before HGL goes live.
As far as Ping0 Goes, they will be showcasing their servers and selling space to other games that want to ride Ping0's back for online gaming. Mythos and HGL will show how effective the servers can work, and so newer games will buy into serverspace from Ping0.
As you can see, Flagship studios is really banking on a win here =P
And EA is funding them, which means EA sees potential.
But then again, I don't hold EA too high in standards.
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Anyone who says Diablo 3 > HGL is a moron. Something that doesn't exist can't beat something that does. Unless you have something missing upstairs.
It is, of course, fine to speculate that D3 will be better than HGL. I always hope that will be the case; due to the circumstances of how it will be created, I have my doubts.
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Sadly, after Blizzard North was shut down, only some of the minds went to Flagship. Most of the main headers are there, but as you can see, Hellgate London is very different from the diablo series. Since you can see the effect of loosing a few important visionaries through HGL, imagine what kind of losses are at hand with the new D3 working crew.
as for HGL
there will be no PPM only items, or PPM findable items. There will be areas, but I imagine those areas are basically the Pit of Acheron on Crack, Ancient Sewers, etc. All randomized as well. There is raid content, but its more along the lines of a long randomized 2 hour killing spree with a big bad at the end. chance to find loot (and of course a higher loot table) is the only thing that increases in these settings.
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For correctional purposes: The creators of the Diablo series were not part of blizzard when the idea started. After realizing that the Schaefer Brothers and Friends had a hit on their hands, Blizzard BOUGHT the small gaming company, and put Bill Roper as one of the heads of the Newly Founded Blizzard North.
Blizzard North had their hit, and created a smashing sequal with a fantastic followup. Then Blizzard North mysteriously got the shaft, and NO CHIEF OFFICERS OR DIRECTORS WENT BACK TO BLIZZARD. Blizzard only rehired some programmers and artists in such that they needed bulk, not idea builders.
So, in conlusion, Blizzard didn't lose some of the greatest minds that created D2. It lost them all.
AND FOR EVEN SHITTIER NEWS. They guy who created everyones favorite effect in WoW, yes, thats right, DAZE, decided Blizzard Sucked and went to Flagship studios, where he gave Mythos the Dazed effect.
Fuckin asshole.
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Going further into this; The Blizzard North team is what made the creation of the Diablo world possible. The Blizzard team is what made the starcraft and warcraft worlds possible. If blizzard were to have been shut down, Blizzard North would NOT be able to create new starcraft and warcraft games that struck the same calibur as the old ones. This rule is flippable = with the blizzard north team gone, blizzard cannot create a new diablo game that packs the same punch. My proof? the fact that Diablo 3 hasn't remotely been announced (I'm going to say eventually they will, but it still won't give the same diablo feel).
Blizzard has game ideas all the time, and see where they can take those ideas. After a small amount of exploration in their thoughts, they destroy shitty ideas. Which usually results to all of them being destroyed. This is why Blizzard Entertainment ended up with 3 Awesome Franchises and no crappy games. Blizzard is obviously trying to create a Diablo 3. They have been ever since Diablo 2: LoD came out. Its an obvious fact. Why stop a Billion Dollar Franchise? So why hasn't this company produced anything yet? Because they haven't been able to. They don't want to release some shitty half assed game, and thats what they have been creating (and scrapping over and over again). Blizzard North was the brain of the Diablo series, and without it, the Diablo series has come to a hault.
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well after playing diablo 2 for 6 years (and then quitting for 4) and playing hellgate london in the alpha for a week, the best way I can explain it is this:
Diablo 2 and Hellgate London are like a Real Pen1s and a D1ldo. They are VERY VERY different things, but they rub the same sensitive spot.
Yea i agree there different, but then again they have MANY similarities. IE all spells instant cast, inventory/paperdoll, non-refundable skillpoints, wierd-ass specs (meleemancer in D2, sacrificial explosion summoner HGL), even the drop mechanics are the same (when you kill onyxia in WoW, she has a chance to drop 1 in 20 or so items you can only find off of her, and those items are better than world drop items; when you kill mephisto or ______ in HGL, he has a chance to drop a boatload of items you can find everywhere). Items changing because of which mode it drops in (Normal Exceptional Elite). There are a little more than 100 different base weapons in HGL, which isn't as much as D2's 160, but this is alpha (these numbers do not include exceptional or elite weapons). And when you say creators, it is Literally the creators. Same Chief Officers, Same provisional directors, Same Visionary. Your creation enviornment is the same as Diablo 2's. The art director, Phil Shenk (yes, Shenk the artOverseer), Erich and Max Schaefer, creators of Schaefer's Mallet. Skullder of Skullder's Ire... Sadly, The Stone of Jordan has moved on to World of Warcraft and has stayed there after promotion to a Staff.
I'm kind of angry with the D3 crew. They're basically praising blizzard like the christian god and shunning the non believers.
Heres an example: J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series, is obviously finished with the Harry Potter line of books. She is currently working on a new book based on a different idea than magic, with no Harry Potter characters. The situation? The Harry Potter Fans are saying that J.K.R.'s new book is shit, and that the next Harry Potter book will rock regardless of the writer.
No we add the players: The Diablo series is the Harry Potter series, Hellgate London is the new book, Flagship Studios is J.K.R., and Harry Potter Fans are obviously Diablo 2 Fans.
Is it ok to make that judgement? I mean, she did crank out the fucking harry potter series... and now that shes out of that frame, does that make everything she writes suck? If I remember correctly, SHE made harry potter; Harry Potter didn't make her.
Same goes for a lot of people on this site. They are too busy wrapped up in the awesomeness of Diablo 2 to realized it was created. And Blizzard will not create on the same note as Blizzard North did. No, those two companies are not the same. They obviously will make a great game (because they're blizzard: Fiascos like starcraft Ghost don't hit shelves, and they don't announce games without potential), but it wont be the same flavor that D2 has. Part of the reason they haven't released a D3 yet is simply because they haven't been able to replicate the sweet spots D2 hit.
Another Analogy: A Guitarist created and can play a song really well. Is this due to the Guitarist? Or the Guitar?
You guys are screaming about how you don't want a D2 Replica. Well guess what: HGL isn't a Diablo 2 Replica. It's a step in a different direction. And it builds off of the ideas the team had for Diablo 2. They're considering creating something called a "monster fountain"; an instant boss respawning portal. Everytime you kill the damned beast it respawns, but this time its harder, stronger, etc... and it keeps repeating until you can't kill it anymore! Can you imagine that? thats fucking cool. The crew that Made Diablo and then went on to sodomize the baby-maker and have the child named Diablo 2, have once again moved on and created HGL.
I'm not angry with people who say D3 will be better than HGL, because frankly, I hope they're right. But we all have to remember something pretty fucking important; D3 doesn't exist yet. But I am pretty pissed off at the people who say HGL sucks. Those are the kind of people who help elect narrow minded dumb fucks like themselves into office.
On a sadder note, on most of the profiles of the ex-diablo Flagship Studio workers, they stated to have, while working as Blizzard North, worked on Diablo, Diablo II, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, and an unnanounced project. Well... Damn.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24217.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23225.html
Well for those of you craving to kill demons, this should fill that gap... going into hell is a different story, but Diablo 2 only did that in Act 4...
Barbarian Whirlwind is back ^^
Its too bad these guys got dropped by blizzard. If Blizzard North was still together, I'm pretty sure we would be seeing a D3 instead of HGL. (FYI more than half the D2 creation team, excluding, you know, voice actors and testers etc, is in FLagship Studios).
HGL comes out halloween, so most def can't wait.