Look at Mira runs nerfed just recently into ground. So cool of them to do this because some people liked it yet there are other "faster" runs that are way better than Mira yet they were not nerfed care to explain this? I can its easy, it was fun and a lot of people were doing it and blizzard said NO its gtg play the campaign from start to finish!
I don't know about the people you play with, or the clan you're in, however the clan I'm in and the people I play with? We did chest / Mira runs because we knew it was broken exp and we were taking advantage of it. We had builds to kill Mira in under 8 seconds on T6. Not a single one of us enjoyed it, we all at one point of the nights said "God...I can't wait for them to fix this so I can stop..."
Doesn't matter how fast you did mira runs, box runs were worth more and with the DPS I put out on my wiz with AOE damage (you know the new splash/area damage you can get on items and in paragon tree) of just 10% on a 50mil crit to 1 mob surrounded by a tun of mobs would instantly do 5mil dmg to everything around. I go through T6 on my wiz like its normal mode, I am just saying that Mira was not even the most efficient way to paragon level yet they nerfed it because everyone was doing them.
On your guild saying "God...I can't wait for them to fix this so I can stop..." is just a simple lack of discipline to not have to follow what everyone else is doing. I did Mira runs for about 5 minutes and stopped because it was too boring, plus I found my goblin spot so I do him now. Sounds like your guild needs to put on their big shoes and play the game how they want and not to follow what everyone else is doing. I would ask your guild when they are all on, Lets jump off a bridge together and see how many follow because essentially that's what you are saying they were doing and couldn't stop because they had to follow instead of make their own decisions.
@Kodaijin I appreciate your feedback and agree that overall its their game but I just have one question for you. Do you not, as a game developer, want to build a game for the players and not how you want to micro manage how those players play your game?
I just feel that with how everything keeps going eventually there is just going to be a "play" button and you have to play whatever they choose you to play act 1 or rift or adventure you don't get to choose because its to hard for the casual player. This is also why I feel they dumbed down the skill system because it was too hard to grasp. They didn't want people to just copy builds. Yet in Diablo 3 people still copy other people, its inevitable. You cant stop the casuals from not wanting to learn how to play and just copy others. You know how many people have copied my wiz in 2.0 already because I can crit for over 986m? Ill post a screen shot when game comes back online just so people cant say I am lying.
No problem, just trying to keep it civil and constructive ;p
Well if I was a developer, I would want structure for the player but not force them to do one thing or another, and I think that is part of the path they (blizzard) is trying to go. I am playing on a few toons on Torment 1 (can do 2 and 3 but I sweat some lol) and I'm a very very casual player where I pick up the game for just a couple hours maybe once or twice a week. So either I've been very lucky with drops or it really is just that much catered to casual players.
I honestly don't think there is at one point going to force us to do anything, although maybe a guided path, sure, but if they wanted it as open world and do what ever we wanted all the time, I suppose they would of just made a sandbox type game. If players who want to learn more about the game they can for sure look up stuff, go onto forums, and talk with other people about what they do, but it's not the only way to play. Good point for this is the redesigned legendaries they just did, like the demon hunter bow that makes elemental arrow a resource generator than a spender. It makes the play style with a different build totally different, but that is just one example and a certain build would work way better if you have that item, but it's just one isolated example.
If people are copying your build for your wizard (and now I want to see my self) then you should be totally flattered, you found something that works great for your gear and skill set, but it's not the only, best, end all, way of playing that class. Not calling you a liar or anything just now got my interest peeked and I'll keep a look out on the wizard sub.
Things like rifts and bounties I'm looking really forward to, as it will add just that much more to max level toons that we desperatelyneeded for a very long time now.
I do agree they are finally going in right direction for items as far as your example of that bow is awesome! But how many of the legs can you say are build changing? 6 sets 1 for each class and a few legendries? Out of the other 300 or that can drop it just seems like now every DH will go for that bow you just mentioned and every DH will eventually get the bow. Then I can tell you what's going to happen is blizzard will find it is "too good" and nerf it to regen only 1 hatred per sec. Then they will find that's still too good and change it to a proc coefficient for the weapon so it would be "you have a chance to regen 4 hatred". Then this will no longer be a build changer as it is no longer good. See what I am getting at, they just have to keep changing and nerfing until the games totally dead from nothing being fun anymore.
Look at Mira runs nerfed just recently into ground. So cool of them to do this because some people liked it yet there are other "faster" runs that are way better than Mira yet they were not nerfed care to explain this? I can its easy, it was fun and a lot of people were doing it and blizzard said NO its gtg play the campaign from start to finish!
I am glad it is toned down. The Devs wants players to play the game and not doing run after run after run doing the same thing. When that happens they take a look at why it is happening and see why it is so and make adjustments to it.
Look right now we have the extra 50% xp boost until the 24th.
I have a run that there is a goblin a short distance from a waypoint and do goblin runs at 2minutes a run on T6. Do you think I will tell blizzard or anyone about this run and where it is located? Heck no you know why? Because I cant stand running into elites with 3x cc abilities example: Jailer, Waller, Frozen, Vortex. Even if on lower torment levels you still cannot 100% avoid death due to elites having more than 1 cc ability. So this is why I love my goblin run and hope it stays forever and that nobody else figures it out or gets it nerfed because I like being able to choose how I play, not how they want me to play.
@Kodaijin I appreciate your feedback and agree that overall its their game but I just have one question for you. Do you not, as a game developer, want to build a game for the players and not how you want to micro manage how those players play your game?
I just feel that with how everything keeps going eventually there is just going to be a "play" button and you have to play whatever they choose you to play act 1 or rift or adventure you don't get to choose because its to hard for the casual player. This is also why I feel they dumbed down the skill system because it was too hard to grasp. They didn't want people to just copy builds. Yet in Diablo 3 people still copy other people, its inevitable. You cant stop the casuals from not wanting to learn how to play and just copy others. You know how many people have copied my wiz in 2.0 already because I can crit for over 986m? Ill post a screen shot when game comes back online just so people cant say I am lying.
Your example is a perfect reason why it doesn't exist in Diablo 3. Lvl 3 Arcane Orb Wiz LFG! No one would ever build this, period. You still would be like everyone else maxxing out to lvl 5 if arcane orb was the must-have skill. Diablo 2 had filler skills in their trees just so you had to spend 1 point before you could choose another skill to max out. That's not a choice, that was a must. D3 gives you those skills (at your lvl 5) with unique modifiers.
Your idea of identity and being unique is greatly clouded by things of which D2 wasn't.
It was an example and I would imagine that the highly paid professionals could come up with something more indepth than what I just came up with on the spot. I also did not say to get arcane orb you must get x skill like diablo 2 was. Really all skills should be available for that class at lvl 1. Not using all the slots though till you reach x level would need to stay. But what if I want to be a meteor wizard and can start using it from the start of the game but have a lesser dmg value of that said skill so to use my above example:
Requires lvl 1 -Arcane orb lvl 1: Small orb shots out 4 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 15 - Arcane orb lvl 2: Small-Medium orb shots out 6 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 30 - Arcane orb lvl 3: Medium orb shots out 8 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 45 - Arcane orb lvl 4: Medium-Large orb shots out 10 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 60 - Arcane orb lvl 5: Large orb shots out 12 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
And so on but again im sure that the devs could come up with something better than at max lvl you have all skills and can change to w/e skills you want. There is no customization in this since majority will find the "best" build and use it, and if you arnt then people will fall behind and post on forums how they need to nerf this build cause its too good. Kind of like CM wiz was complained about and WOTB barb was and Rapid fire DH and so on. Wouldn't it be better if ALL skills could be made to be that "its to good" build so then if I wanted to be a melee wiz using all melee skills I can make those melee skills awesome?
The OP's question is a valid and will not be considered trolling until there's proof of that. To him, the removal or change of certain specific features from Diablo 2 have changed the core of the franchise.
So until then, stick to discussing the topic and the ideas presented in the original post. And not the person presenting them.
On the actual topic, to me at least I'd say that most of the things you presented as downgrades/problems are instead seen by most players as huge improvements over the D2 system. To me, the core game experience is not only intact, but as fun as it has ever been.
You're free to state your opinion and prefer the old hostile system instead of brawling, but the attitude will never take you anywhere or convince anyone. The entitled attitude of "I know what's best for the franchise and you (or the devs) don't" that so many people show towards games they love. In a franchise this big, things are not as black and white as some people think.
Thank you for your post and I agree some things are better. For example the graphics are pretty nice, the combat is lovely, and I like the overall look of the game. Its just core features that I just don't agree with because its just not Diablo in my eyes or a lot of other peoples eyes. I just think it could be a lot better if we progressed instead of declined you know in my eyes
Thanks again for your opinions and I will try not to show the attitude of "I know what's best for the franchise and you (or the devs) don't"
SO what you both above are saying is we are going to go "backwards"? You say diablo 1 has no skill trees that's correct there was books to learn skills and yes you could learn them all. Then we progressed to the skill tress because having everything is pointless and adds nothing but boredom to the game. Then we should progress further not go backwards back to having everything was my point.
I think you're putting words in other people's mouths (hence the accusations of trolling).
Please explain in more detail why you feel that not having skill trees is "going backwards". I think you'll find that many people don't agree with you that it's going backwards. Diablo 3's skill system is an evolution to the skill tree concept and, while not perfect, I much prefer it to Diablo 2.
It is definitely not my intent to put words in anyone's mouth. I just see it going backwards, and I will gladly explain why I see it that way. So as it was pointed out on a misconception of my original post that Diablo 1 had skill books. You could get every skill by learning all them, and we advance in diablo 2 by getting a skill system that we had to make a choice on our character and what we wanted them to be. Which allowed for more character customization. I feel that with the current skill system it is just like Diablo 1 books but instead you don't have to find the books just level up. So there is no change other than runes for those skills.
If it were me (which it isn't and its just my OPINION!) I would have made a skill tree system that you could progressively make better. I am going to use arcane orb as an example:
Arcane orb lvl 1: Small orb shots out 4 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 2: Small-Medium orb shots out 6 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 3: Medium orb shots out 8 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 4: Medium-Large orb shots out 10 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 5: Large orb shots out 12 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
And so on, do you see how a skill tree would be cool. They could then incorporate runes like they are currently so you lvl up what skills you like they become the "OP" skills like CM wiz was. Choose the rune you want with that skill and go killing. This would be a better system then as I say backwards to Diablo 1 have everything mentality. This would offer customization, and a sense of having built your OWN character and not being like all the other people playing your class.
People are telling you it IS Diablo because Diablo isn't a single, narrow concept that you isolated from Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction. They're not arguing with you or bashing you, they're giving you legitimate reasons why your point is not well thought through.
You're the one who started throwing a mini tantrum because people were disagreeing with you. Or maybe we're all just internet bullies and you're just mad that you can't log into our game and kill us a "few hundred" times. You sound like a really rational, well-adjusted human being.
I'm sorry that you were beat up in Diablo 2 by the internet bullies maybe if you would have known me you would have had as much fun as I did, unfortunately that didn't happen.
Why is it everyone bashes someone that has something bad to say about the game? @Rasako I never said Im hardcore and D3 is *enter cussword* (which I reported you for ty for joining that ban wagon you speak of). I cant simply offer my point of view with out being bashed by all you brown nosers? I mean I would love to stick up for Diablo 3 but the only good thing about it is the combat which they still have yet to fix monk TR making you rubberband back. Yet you don't see me bringing up these things or bashing you because you love the game so much and everything is fine in your eyes. Why come to my post to bash me when you have nothing to add? At least the first poster had something intelligent to add.
You reported me for not insulting you and not calling you names? Cool. ...and then you call me a brown noser?
Your post bares the only infraction of rules here, bud.
If all you desire is to have people agree with you, go post @ Bnet. Here, you will be confronted with opposing opinions and people will give them to you freely, as did I.
I made a similar post as yours, here, months ago and I quit as soon as I found out they released a console version with better loot than the PC and the PC wasn't getting attention until *next year. But I had time to think, put things in perspective and, now that Blizzard finally addressed their woeful in-game loot system, they've earned back my trust and I enjoy Diablo 3 very much.
Please re-read my post it makes you look very bad when you think I reported you. I said I reported the @Rasako guy not you. Sorry if your reading comprehension failed you today. (had to be a little bit of a troll here you know that right?)
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The answer to the issue you're having, OP, is in your username itself.
"IAMDIABLO"
That attitude, that disposition in which many long time Diablo fans have put themselves in is exactly what the problem is with many players. Each individual has their own preset ideas about what D3 "should've" been for them, personally. Every aspect of the game that goes out of lockstep with ones own ideals and desires for a Diablo game becomes yet another list of complaints posted on a forum.
I've made peace with the fact that Diablo evolves, as does everything else. The game feels and plays very much like Diablo. Especially after 2.0, many of the 'ol familiar Diablo feelings are apparent.
Not every aspect of the game is going to jive with your personal desires. Stop taking everything and dissecting and over-analyzing. Stop taking every aspect that differs from your own opinion as an affront to all Diablo players.
Basing people for their name? What if it said spong bob would you taken me serious then? maybe themightynobody....would that work for you? If so ill petition the username change to make you happy but don't judge me when you don't know me please. Also what does my username matter to what my opinions are?
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Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
What's the point of posting in the forums if you aren't open to discussion?
I just said I am not going to argue, I don't mind discussing that's not arguing. Not trolling but below is the difference. Just wish for oncesomeone could post something with some actual feedback and get notice not flamed like I have already been. Thanks for your post though.
Why is it everyone bashes someone that has something bad to say about the game? @Rasako I never said Im hardcoreD2 and D3 is *enter cussword* (which I reported you for ty for joining that ban wagon you speak of). I cant simply offer my point of view with out being bashed by all you brown nosers? I mean I would love to stick up for Diablo 3 but the only good thing about it is the combat which they still have yet to fix monk TR making you rubberband back. Yet you don't see me bringing up these things or bashing you because you love the game so much and everything is fine in your eyes. Why come to my post to bash me when you have nothing to add? At least the first poster had something intelligent to add.
@Maffia please don't come to my topic to say troll when nobody here is trolling. This is my opinion and the poll is where you vote please vote and if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything thank you.
SO what you both above are saying is we are going to go "backwards"? You say diablo 1 has no skill trees that's correct there was books to learn skills and yes you could learn them all. Then we progressed to the skill tress because having everything is pointless and adds nothing but boredom to the game. Then we should progress further not go backwards back to having everything was my point.
I never said Diablo 1 had skill trees but I can see how this could be taken how you both took it. It was a general statement that the previous games had progression not steps backwords but its ok that you took it the wrong way. Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
And as far as Diablo 1 no pvp well guess what buddy we should progress diablo 2 had hostile pvp so Diablo 3 we should progress to tournaments or ranked pvp. Do you not get it that games PROGRESS not DECLINE like this one?
Today I wanted to come to the community to bring up a discussion about if Diablo 3 is really Diablo anymore. So this will probably be a long post if you don't want to read through it all that's cool ill put TLDR at bottom for you.
To start the discussion I would like to bring up Skill trees and Stat points:
I know this has been brought to devs attention many times but feel it hasn't really been addressed how it should be. I will use the Sorceress from Diablo 2 as an example here (please note all class's can be done this way). In Diablo 2 I was able to get countless playing hours every ladder reset making a cold/fire/lightning sorc (haven't played after 1.11b patch so I heard you can now reset all skills and don't have to level char if you mess them up which is cool with me. I would still have 1 of each so I can play different roles whenever I want without having to reset the skills.) leveling that sorc up and decking that sorc out in gear, stats, and skills. The rune word items added a lot of customization to the builds that you wanted to use but that's another discussion.
So what do we have in Diablo 3, a skill system that you get every skill in so no matter what you got them all. A stat system that everytime you level it auto distributes depending on the class, and 2.0 loot which is kind of good kind of bad below ill get into items. I don't even have to make but 1 of each class because there is no need to I have everything given to me. There is not customization to a character here, and everyone is the same.
Hostile vs. Brawling
So in Diablo 2 there was this button that a lot of people loved, and others despised. This was a button that I loved, and ill explain this a little more. When playing Diablo3 you run into what I like to call internet bullies and yes you may say I am one of them but I am not I just believe in being able to stick up for yourself. So you get this internet bully that sees your character (does the dog butt sniff to your account) and instantly starts flaming you or calling you a CC warrior, botter, or w/e comes to their mind because your gear is better than theirs or you have low dps. When I would run into these said bullies in Diablo 2 I could just join their game hostile them, kill them a few hundred times, then move on with my day...GOOD TIMES.
However in Diablo 3 you can do nothing to the bullies that do this. You can ask them to join a game and do some brawling but chances are he will already be in the brawling area when you join his game and hell get first attack if good and then leaves game still flaming that he 1 shot you like its so hard in Diablo 3. I remember some fights in Diablo 2 that went on for DAYS because we were able to name the games and 8 people per game 1 guy leave another join over and overwas a blast unfortunately now we have 4 max in Diablo 3. Point is there now is no PVP in Diablo 3 which BTW was promise on the BOX of Diablo 3.
D2 Items vs. D3 Items
Diablo 2 items are far superior when rune word came out than what we have currently in Diablo 3. BOA is a complete joke by all aspects and should have never been allowed in the game but lets look at the items in general and not BOA. In Diablo 2 most items had a static drop % from certain mobs. In Diablo 3 every mob drops everything......
In Diablo 2 we had a choice to farm for certain gear but in Diablo 3 you have no choice of what gear you are farming you only have choice of where to farm. Diablo 2 items did not determine weather you could face roll through the game in Hell mode solo, character progression and customization did. In DIablo 3 (before removal of AH) just buy best gearand face roll everything or farm for eternity to get to where I am currently at in Diablo 3 with over 3000 hours with my monk alone. Yes I know you could P2W in Diablo 2 but that's not my point point is the gear for Diablo 2 really didn't keep you from progression but this is completely opposite of Diablo 3. Don't have the gear for Torment 1 guess what farm master till you get the gear.
D2 Trading vs. D3 BOA Diablo 2 had trading which we use to also have in Diablo 3which allowed casuals to trade for gear they needed or wanted. This is why the AH was put into place, for the casuals. Now its being removed because people are crying over pay 2 winners. I mean seriously its an ARPG game who cares what others do in the game, like me selling IK chest 3 times for 150$ on RMAH is effecting you. Or me selling something on GAH for 2billion gold. Anyone else notice how Blizzard simply forgot to mention in patch notes that the GAH until removed would only let you max item on GAH for 999,999,999 gold instead of the 2B limit it use to have? They simply just forgot to mention it right? SO many things that Diablo 2 trading was good for, yeah there were a lot of scammers, botter, w/e but we have that in Diablo 3 also. BOA yes is limiting the botters that make money off the game but now its going to be everyone botting because now they cant buy gear due to not able to play game 8 hours a day like hardcore fans as myself.
In short Diablo 2 offered means of getting gear without having to play for years I need a Tals set make game WTB TALS waitzomg no knowledge needed no 1000+ hours killing everything and its momma to hope it drops out of the other 300-400 legendry's that COULD drop instead. You know how many Hellracks I found in the time I played Diablo 3. I would say roughly 3000, yet how many mempo helms 1. This is broken period this is why Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had STATIC mobs that dropped certain gear. Who cares if someone wants to farm all day doing mephisto runs for gear vs. Diablo 3 farming Diablo for gear. Which btw is not possible since I have NEVER seen any boss other than ubers drop legendry's. O and the SK glitch being fixed as we speak.
D2 Online or offline vs. Diablo 3 Online Only
Diablo 2 offered a way to play the game if it was down for maintenance or you didn't have internet. Diablo 3 only allows you to play when Blizzard says you can play and that requires internet connection. I would get into major reasons they lost a lot of money on this but people will just argue the facts.
So to sum up why I am posting please vote using the poll if this is Diablo anymore. I vote NO with a big vote for them to just change the name of the game cause it isn't Diablo anymore.
TLDR: In Diablo 1 + Hellfire, Diablo 2 + Lord of Destruction we see the same things happening. Skill trees *Diablo 2 only* (edited so not taken out of context as IKNOWDiablo 1 had skillbooks)to progress your character how you want which is where diablo 1 falls in because you progressed how you wanted, different ways to build said character with stat points. Health and Mana pools one on left the other on right. PVP in a form of 'hostile', trading, selling, giving, and so much more.
Yet in Diablo 3 with the recent 2.0.1update we have Brawling (highly unenjoyable because its whoever hits first that wins.), leveling, health and arcane power/discipline/hatred/spirit/fury and w/e the crusader has (I didn't get beta ), and clan's. I cant really name anything else as I feel the skill system is not a decision since you get them all and can use them all. This wasn't possible in Diablo 1 or 2 without hacks and such. There is no character customization, as for paragon system this was a cop-out I feel for not having a skill tree and stat points to distribute how we want to not how blizzard feels it should be.
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*Edited again so people don't try to bash me more about something I didn't say
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On your guild saying "God...I can't wait for them to fix this so I can stop..." is just a simple lack of discipline to not have to follow what everyone else is doing. I did Mira runs for about 5 minutes and stopped because it was too boring, plus I found my goblin spot so I do him now. Sounds like your guild needs to put on their big shoes and play the game how they want and not to follow what everyone else is doing. I would ask your guild when they are all on, Lets jump off a bridge together and see how many follow because essentially that's what you are saying they were doing and couldn't stop because they had to follow instead of make their own decisions.
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Look at Mira runs nerfed just recently into ground. So cool of them to do this because some people liked it yet there are other "faster" runs that are way better than Mira yet they were not nerfed care to explain this? I can its easy, it was fun and a lot of people were doing it and blizzard said NO its gtg play the campaign from start to finish!
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I just feel that with how everything keeps going eventually there is just going to be a "play" button and you have to play whatever they choose you to play act 1 or rift or adventure you don't get to choose because its to hard for the casual player. This is also why I feel they dumbed down the skill system because it was too hard to grasp. They didn't want people to just copy builds. Yet in Diablo 3 people still copy other people, its inevitable. You cant stop the casuals from not wanting to learn how to play and just copy others. You know how many people have copied my wiz in 2.0 already because I can crit for over 986m? Ill post a screen shot when game comes back online just so people cant say I am lying.
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Requires lvl 1 -Arcane orb lvl 1: Small orb shots out 4 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 15 - Arcane orb lvl 2: Small-Medium orb shots out 6 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 30 - Arcane orb lvl 3: Medium orb shots out 8 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 45 - Arcane orb lvl 4: Medium-Large orb shots out 10 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Requires lvl 60 - Arcane orb lvl 5: Large orb shots out 12 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
And so on but again im sure that the devs could come up with something better than at max lvl you have all skills and can change to w/e skills you want. There is no customization in this since majority will find the "best" build and use it, and if you arnt then people will fall behind and post on forums how they need to nerf this build cause its too good. Kind of like CM wiz was complained about and WOTB barb was and Rapid fire DH and so on. Wouldn't it be better if ALL skills could be made to be that "its to good" build so then if I wanted to be a melee wiz using all melee skills I can make those melee skills awesome?
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Thanks again for your opinions and I will try not to show the attitude of "I know what's best for the franchise and you (or the devs) don't"
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If it were me (which it isn't and its just my OPINION!) I would have made a skill tree system that you could progressively make better. I am going to use arcane orb as an example:
Arcane orb lvl 1: Small orb shots out 4 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 2: Small-Medium orb shots out 6 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet (in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 3: Medium orb shots out 8 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 4: Medium-Large orb shots out 10 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
Arcane orb lvl 5: Large orb shots out 12 projectiles over a distance of 30 feet(in game feet/distance.)
And so on, do you see how a skill tree would be cool. They could then incorporate runes like they are currently so you lvl up what skills you like they become the "OP" skills like CM wiz was. Choose the rune you want with that skill and go killing. This would be a better system then as I say backwards to Diablo 1 have everything mentality. This would offer customization, and a sense of having built your OWN character and not being like all the other people playing your class.
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Arguing is like this:
Yes it is
No its not
Yes it is
No its not
A discussion is like this:
I think this is not diablo what do you think
I think it is diablo because of this reason
o you do well why do you think that
because that's what I like
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@Maffia please don't come to my topic to say troll when nobody here is trolling. This is my opinion and the poll is where you vote please vote and if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything thank you.
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I never said Diablo 1 had skill trees but I can see how this could be taken how you both took it. It was a general statement that the previous games had progression not steps backwords but its ok that you took it the wrong way. Im not here to argue with you guys about anything it was all just my opinions of what we should have but DONT have. You guys can stick up for this game all you want, but with BOA you will all quit in matter of months maybe a year or 2and ill be left with the garbage you created along with the other hardcore fans that cant stand the direction they are taking this series.
And as far as Diablo 1 no pvp well guess what buddy we should progress diablo 2 had hostile pvp so Diablo 3 we should progress to tournaments or ranked pvp. Do you not get it that games PROGRESS not DECLINE like this one?
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To start the discussion I would like to bring up Skill trees and Stat points:
I know this has been brought to devs attention many times but feel it hasn't really been addressed how it should be. I will use the Sorceress from Diablo 2 as an example here (please note all class's can be done this way). In Diablo 2 I was able to get countless playing hours every ladder reset making a cold/fire/lightning sorc (haven't played after 1.11b patch so I heard you can now reset all skills and don't have to level char if you mess them up which is cool with me. I would still have 1 of each so I can play different roles whenever I want without having to reset the skills.) leveling that sorc up and decking that sorc out in gear, stats, and skills. The rune word items added a lot of customization to the builds that you wanted to use but that's another discussion.
So what do we have in Diablo 3, a skill system that you get every skill in so no matter what you got them all. A stat system that everytime you level it auto distributes depending on the class, and 2.0 loot which is kind of good kind of bad below ill get into items. I don't even have to make but 1 of each class because there is no need to I have everything given to me. There is not customization to a character here, and everyone is the same.
Hostile vs. Brawling
So in Diablo 2 there was this button that a lot of people loved, and others despised. This was a button that I loved, and ill explain this a little more. When playing Diablo3 you run into what I like to call internet bullies and yes you may say I am one of them but I am not I just believe in being able to stick up for yourself. So you get this internet bully that sees your character (does the dog butt sniff to your account) and instantly starts flaming you or calling you a CC warrior, botter, or w/e comes to their mind because your gear is better than theirs or you have low dps. When I would run into these said bullies in Diablo 2 I could just join their game hostile them, kill them a few hundred times, then move on with my day...GOOD TIMES.
However in Diablo 3 you can do nothing to the bullies that do this. You can ask them to join a game and do some brawling but chances are he will already be in the brawling area when you join his game and hell get first attack if good and then leaves game still flaming that he 1 shot you like its so hard in Diablo 3. I remember some fights in Diablo 2 that went on for DAYS because we were able to name the games and 8 people per game 1 guy leave another join over and overwas a blast unfortunately now we have 4 max in Diablo 3. Point is there now is no PVP in Diablo 3 which BTW was promise on the BOX of Diablo 3.
D2 Items vs. D3 Items
Diablo 2 items are far superior when rune word came out than what we have currently in Diablo 3. BOA is a complete joke by all aspects and should have never been allowed in the game but lets look at the items in general and not BOA. In Diablo 2 most items had a static drop % from certain mobs. In Diablo 3 every mob drops everything......
In Diablo 2 we had a choice to farm for certain gear but in Diablo 3 you have no choice of what gear you are farming you only have choice of where to farm. Diablo 2 items did not determine weather you could face roll through the game in Hell mode solo, character progression and customization did. In DIablo 3 (before removal of AH) just buy best gearand face roll everything or farm for eternity to get to where I am currently at in Diablo 3 with over 3000 hours with my monk alone. Yes I know you could P2W in Diablo 2 but that's not my point point is the gear for Diablo 2 really didn't keep you from progression but this is completely opposite of Diablo 3. Don't have the gear for Torment 1 guess what farm master till you get the gear.
D2 Trading vs. D3 BOA Diablo 2 had trading which we use to also have in Diablo 3which allowed casuals to trade for gear they needed or wanted. This is why the AH was put into place, for the casuals. Now its being removed because people are crying over pay 2 winners. I mean seriously its an ARPG game who cares what others do in the game, like me selling IK chest 3 times for 150$ on RMAH is effecting you. Or me selling something on GAH for 2billion gold. Anyone else notice how Blizzard simply forgot to mention in patch notes that the GAH until removed would only let you max item on GAH for 999,999,999 gold instead of the 2B limit it use to have? They simply just forgot to mention it right? SO many things that Diablo 2 trading was good for, yeah there were a lot of scammers, botter, w/e but we have that in Diablo 3 also. BOA yes is limiting the botters that make money off the game but now its going to be everyone botting because now they cant buy gear due to not able to play game 8 hours a day like hardcore fans as myself.
In short Diablo 2 offered means of getting gear without having to play for years I need a Tals set make game WTB TALS waitzomg no knowledge needed no 1000+ hours killing everything and its momma to hope it drops out of the other 300-400 legendry's that COULD drop instead. You know how many Hellracks I found in the time I played Diablo 3. I would say roughly 3000, yet how many mempo helms 1. This is broken period this is why Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 had STATIC mobs that dropped certain gear. Who cares if someone wants to farm all day doing mephisto runs for gear vs. Diablo 3 farming Diablo for gear. Which btw is not possible since I have NEVER seen any boss other than ubers drop legendry's. O and the SK glitch being fixed as we speak.
D2 Online or offline vs. Diablo 3 Online Only
Diablo 2 offered a way to play the game if it was down for maintenance or you didn't have internet. Diablo 3 only allows you to play when Blizzard says you can play and that requires internet connection. I would get into major reasons they lost a lot of money on this but people will just argue the facts.
So to sum up why I am posting please vote using the poll if this is Diablo anymore. I vote NO with a big vote for them to just change the name of the game cause it isn't Diablo anymore.
TLDR: In Diablo 1 + Hellfire, Diablo 2 + Lord of Destruction we see the same things happening. Skill trees *Diablo 2 only* (edited so not taken out of context as IKNOWDiablo 1 had skillbooks)to progress your character how you want which is where diablo 1 falls in because you progressed how you wanted, different ways to build said character with stat points. Health and Mana pools one on left the other on right. PVP in a form of 'hostile', trading, selling, giving, and so much more.
Yet in Diablo 3 with the recent 2.0.1update we have Brawling (highly unenjoyable because its whoever hits first that wins.), leveling, health and arcane power/discipline/hatred/spirit/fury and w/e the crusader has (I didn't get beta
*Edited for grammar mistakes and to look better.
*Edited again so people don't try to bash me more about something I didn't say