This isnt D2, the AI is vastly improved, dont expect the same buggy lolol easy targets you got in d2
Lol, the fact of the matter is that enemies will always chase you. If enemies chase you and you run away, by default they must form into a line. Monsters aren't going to have leashes and I doubt they have the AI to dodge and weave as they chase after you.
wasting time setting them up to get disint to work is wasting time
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Not sure if this fits into what you guys are speaking about, but I did some math.
With Astral Presence, Storm Armor w/Gold Rune (-7 AP costs), and Familair (4.5 AP regen/sec), I'm regenerating AP at 19/sec.
With 120 AP pool, I can cast Ray of Frost (22AP/sec) for 40 seconds for 16461.5 damage total over that time.
I can cast Dis exponentially longer, but I would never be sitting casting for 4 minutes straight.
For 40 seconds, I could do 8440 damage total over that time.
RoF does twice as much damage in the 40sec AP lifespan, but after 4 minutes of Disintegrating a monsters face off,
it does 25320 damage total over that time.
So for 'shorter' bursts of channeling, as you put it, I'm going with RoF.
However, I should make mention of RoF being a single target only spell. Disintegrate, according to you guys right?...pierces enemies so those damage numbers I'm reporting...you could do double those or triple those if there 2-3 monsters around. I just don't expect them to always (or even occasionally) be a single file line.
My thoughts,
DKR
Disintegrate, used correctly, will hands down always do more damage than Ray of Frost vs anything other than bosses. If you've played Diablo 2 you know how stupidly easy it is to get enemies into a line. Once you've got their attention all you have to do is back off and they'll chase you.... forming into a line.
This isnt D2, the AI is vastly improved, dont expect the same buggy lolol easy targets you got in d2
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WTH are you talking about ? The only thing people had a question that they asked was meteor and damage and I already said RoF does more damage, the ap and stopping at first target are the reason I wouldn't use it. Stop with the personal attacks, the numbers are right for the things I am trying to get.
OMG !!! Learn to READ I never ever said Disintegrate does more damage than RoF per point of mana, I said storm armor with gold rune and Disintegrate is ap neutral.
You said RoF was titanic use of AP, it's not, it's a more effective use of AP on a single target, way more effective use of AP. No one cares about AP cost, only that you have the AP to use the skill in conjunction with other spells. People will care about DMG per point of AP, and the effectiveness of the DMG/AP ratio.
RoF > Disint for Single Target Single Target/2 Targets/3 Targets depending on the buff they have (try lining up 3 super fast monsters with disint lol)
Meteor > Disint for AOE and single target when u l2kite
It's not a personal attack, I just don't want you spreading around a bunch of shit on this site that's false, like "meteor is trash" i expect that kind of low grade nubbery on blizz forums or the off topic on this site as a troll post.
If you come out with hostility towards a spell or bunch of spells like you did in your original post you better make sure when your shit gets peer reviewed by people on this site that will check numbers that you don't make a huge colossal mistake and call something trash when its really one of the best, if not THE best offensive spell for wizards.
That is all.
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Electric... you've already been stomped on the other forum posts? why you want seconds?
1 meteor cast does slightly (like 50) dmg less in 6 seconds of BaseAT +5s of disint
in this time we have already cast another spell, and done an AP filler x2-3 to have enough AP to do meteor again + another spell + 2-3 AP filler to crush ur dmg again?
DKR already showed u the math for it
Ray of Frost does more dmg per point of AP used than Disint
RoF - 18.25
Disint - 16.2
so what? RoF does 13% more damage per point of AP used, it's a more efficient use of AP than Disint
However Disint pierces, if you can hit 2-3 more targets while channeling it, it's a DPS increase. Also RoF has a slow built in, and an AS debuff aswell.
Fighting a boss or super Uniques RoF smashes Disint into oblivion.
Fighting a group of Mobs, Meteor smashes Disint into oblivion.
Fighting a boss or super Unique Meteor Smashes Disint into oblivion if you know how to kite properly.
Disint will fill that middle ground of sub par bad players that cant land Meteor properly, or people who just want to use it cause they think it's cool! and it is a cool skill! For anyone min maxing though, and wants to play with a skill and speed, will use meteor as the numbers stand now. All purpose it's just flat out better. If you want to hunt super unique monsters and bosses RoF looks damn hot as the best option. I mean highest single target sustain, and a debuff to boot!
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for he to-day that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother..."
for he to-day that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother..."
This isnt D2, the AI is vastly improved, dont expect the same buggy lolol easy targets you got in d2
for he to-day that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother..."
You said RoF was titanic use of AP, it's not, it's a more effective use of AP on a single target, way more effective use of AP. No one cares about AP cost, only that you have the AP to use the skill in conjunction with other spells. People will care about DMG per point of AP, and the effectiveness of the DMG/AP ratio.
RoF > Disint for Single Target Single Target/2 Targets/3 Targets depending on the buff they have (try lining up 3 super fast monsters with disint lol)
Meteor > Disint for AOE and single target when u l2kite
It's not a personal attack, I just don't want you spreading around a bunch of shit on this site that's false, like "meteor is trash" i expect that kind of low grade nubbery on blizz forums or the off topic on this site as a troll post.
If you come out with hostility towards a spell or bunch of spells like you did in your original post you better make sure when your shit gets peer reviewed by people on this site that will check numbers that you don't make a huge colossal mistake and call something trash when its really one of the best, if not THE best offensive spell for wizards.
That is all.
for he to-day that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother..."
1 meteor cast does slightly (like 50) dmg less in 6 seconds of BaseAT +5s of disint
in this time we have already cast another spell, and done an AP filler x2-3 to have enough AP to do meteor again + another spell + 2-3 AP filler to crush ur dmg again?
DKR already showed u the math for it
Ray of Frost does more dmg per point of AP used than Disint
RoF - 18.25
Disint - 16.2
so what? RoF does 13% more damage per point of AP used, it's a more efficient use of AP than Disint
However Disint pierces, if you can hit 2-3 more targets while channeling it, it's a DPS increase. Also RoF has a slow built in, and an AS debuff aswell.
Fighting a boss or super Uniques RoF smashes Disint into oblivion.
Fighting a group of Mobs, Meteor smashes Disint into oblivion.
Fighting a boss or super Unique Meteor Smashes Disint into oblivion if you know how to kite properly.
Disint will fill that middle ground of sub par bad players that cant land Meteor properly, or people who just want to use it cause they think it's cool! and it is a cool skill! For anyone min maxing though, and wants to play with a skill and speed, will use meteor as the numbers stand now. All purpose it's just flat out better. If you want to hunt super unique monsters and bosses RoF looks damn hot as the best option. I mean highest single target sustain, and a debuff to boot!
for he to-day that sheds his blood with me
shall be my brother..."