People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
That argument basically states that because WoW like graphics are appealing to females (in this case your wife) young kids (in this case your two younger children) and people who never play these type of games (in this case your oldest son) Blizzard should throw what "Diablo" is in the bin and try to appeal to those demographics? Of course your kids will find d3 more exciting than d2, it looks HUGELY better visually, it just doesn't look like a Diablo sequel should.
Diablo was a successful enough without appealing to girls and young kids, and Blizzard is successful enough with WoW to not need to gender bend the diablo series. I see no reason why a d3 with similar but more "fitting" graphics would not be just as interesting.
See, you're one of the fans I was talking about. I never said anything about WoW like graphics. Maybe it can be implied, but not the way I read it.
I see your point, but your reaction and statements back up my post. And you didn't put forth an argument for the fact that I like it better, despite being a Diablo fan.
Blizzard has gone a different design route for several reasons, but put them all in a funnel and what comes out the bottom is Diablo 3. Sure WoW is successful, as SC2 will most certainly be. But IMO, Blizzard feels this way:
Why should we settle for 30 million dollars when we can make twice more by appealing to a wider range of audience. The dedication and passion of Diablo fans is nice, but nice don't pay the rent.
All I'm offering is logical reasons why they went the direction they did with the graphic design. I doubt they will lose many true fans because of it. .
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
As everyone else is here, I was a huge fan of Diablo I/II, and not just for the gameplay but for the setting and story. When I played Diablo II for the first time the world felt real, dark, and convincing. I could get pulled into the game and the gothic settings and everything fit wonderfully (or horrifically, lol) within the Diablo universe.
Reading this part of his post, something dawned on me...one reason most are arguing about the graphics is that THEY ARE DIABLO FANS and HAVE PLAYED DIABLO. Look at it from another perspective:
As hard as it may be to believe, there are a while slew of gamers (thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands?) that have never played the game. A fair percentage have never even seen it. As an example, I polled my 9, 14, 19 year old sons, and my wife. My wife could care less, but said if she were to play either game based on looks alone, it would be Diablo 3.
My 19 year old has seen me play Diablo 2, but never played it himself. He plays war games and flight sims. He absolutely had a fit when he saw Diablo 3 trailer. " OMG dad, that is so AWESOME, when does it come out...I gotta have that!"
The two younger sons have never seen D2, but they freaked when they saw Diablo 3 and were not even impressed with D2.
And I have to admit, I played through both the early games about 5 times a piece. I haven't played either in about 3 or 4 years. I loaded up D2 when I stumbled across this site when the countdown started back in April. After the games I have been playing (and WoW ain't one of 'em, hate it) like Witcher, DDO, Oblivion and AoC, quite frankly I couldn't play it through.
Because of the graphics mainly. They just seemed...dated and old fashioned. And I consider myself a FAN of the series. I was truly psyched when there was even an inkling a new, updated version of the game was coming out.
I guess my point is this...Blizzard is trying to stay true to the franchise, as much as they can. They want to keep as many Diablo fans as they can. But there is a whole new generation or demographic of gamer they are trying to bring in to the game as well. People that are accustomed to a...for lack of a better phrase...more modern and up to date look. It is a business after all. For every hardcore Diablo fan they lose, and I hope they don'y lose any, there will be three to take their place. Like it or not, Blizzard knows what they are doing or rather, what they want to do. They aren't as successful as they are for nothing.
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
You people have a beautiful game that Blizzard wasn't in any way obligated to make, done in the same relative style of gameplay as past entries, yet you have the utter gall and audacity to complain about it. God. Why not just drag the argument kicking and screaming back to its roots and compare WarCraft 2 to WarCraft 3.
Oh my god! He has two axes in WarCraft 3! And it's too dull of a green! And the gold is missing off the armbands. 3d?! What is this, EVERQUEST?! Arrrghhh PETITION!
I agree wholeheartedly with this post, and the warcraft comparison is priceless.
However, while Blizzard was never obligated TO their fans to remake Diablo, it would have been foolish, economically speaking, not to. Thus, the metamorphasis to the next generation, and the subsequent bashing that has accompanied it.
C-H-A-N-G-E.....inevitable, necessary, different...of the 12,14, 18 thousand petition signers, how many would rather have this iteration of Diablo 3 , or nothing at all? I thought so.
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
Here is my take on it. I increased the shadows a bit, toned down the greens, and replaced the silly statues with something more appropriate. I warn you though, i'm not the best photoshopper around
You made some subtle changes, and aside from the gargoyles, I don't see a game-breaking difference.
This isn't directed specifically at you...and is just one person's perspective. I know it's just an example, but this is a screenshot, a picture that can be disected and studied, as are the rest I have seen. It is very easy to pick apart a picture. For others, they look at the game in other ways. For instance:
I imagine charging in this same room and seeing a buttload of mobs (22 actually) that need my immediate attention. I ain't gonna pay attention to the pikachu gargoyles and that the floor is green. Much of what makes Diablo is as much the sheer adrenaline pumping, heart pounding rush of encountering multiple baddies at one time, and laying waste to them. Who has the time to admire the scenery? When I'm through, I may roll over, light up a smoke and stare at the ceiling... or the scenery. Just as likely not though. I can be awed and sucked in by the peripheral scenery while I'm running from room to room, scene to scene.
My point being, I was much more impressed with the barb's animations interacting with the environment and mobs, the added skill level that appears is going to be needed, and the obvious advancements(improvements IMO) of the graphics engine over Diablo 2.
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
I find it amazing that when a poll/survey is taken that finally allows folks to compare D2 vs. D3, it shows that the overwhelming majority is not necessarily in favor of the D2 look. At the time of this post, the margin is less than 5%. I'm not saying it (D2 darker, gothic look) shouldn't be considered, but so many people flew off the handle, ready to string Bliz up by the toenails.
Apparently, a LOT of folks also like the new look, with some of those probably in favor of a few visual tweaks. Count me in the second group. I think the game looks AMAZING! I think there is definitely a darkish mood already, and that was the first look at the game. Who knows, maybe they'll strike a happy medium...I don't see how it could be so difficult to implement graphic controls that can achieve the same thing. Heck, most modern monitors and graphic cards allow manipulation of these things.
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People that liked what Diablo 3 looked like are not going to sit here and bitch about how its good. People that want it to change are much more vocal. The poll is flawed because of that FACT.
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See, you're one of the fans I was talking about. I never said anything about WoW like graphics. Maybe it can be implied, but not the way I read it.
I see your point, but your reaction and statements back up my post. And you didn't put forth an argument for the fact that I like it better, despite being a Diablo fan.
Blizzard has gone a different design route for several reasons, but put them all in a funnel and what comes out the bottom is Diablo 3. Sure WoW is successful, as SC2 will most certainly be. But IMO, Blizzard feels this way:
Why should we settle for 30 million dollars when we can make twice more by appealing to a wider range of audience. The dedication and passion of Diablo fans is nice, but nice don't pay the rent.
All I'm offering is logical reasons why they went the direction they did with the graphic design. I doubt they will lose many true fans because of it. .
Reading this part of his post, something dawned on me...one reason most are arguing about the graphics is that THEY ARE DIABLO FANS and HAVE PLAYED DIABLO. Look at it from another perspective:
As hard as it may be to believe, there are a while slew of gamers (thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands?) that have never played the game. A fair percentage have never even seen it. As an example, I polled my 9, 14, 19 year old sons, and my wife. My wife could care less, but said if she were to play either game based on looks alone, it would be Diablo 3.
My 19 year old has seen me play Diablo 2, but never played it himself. He plays war games and flight sims. He absolutely had a fit when he saw Diablo 3 trailer. " OMG dad, that is so AWESOME, when does it come out...I gotta have that!"
The two younger sons have never seen D2, but they freaked when they saw Diablo 3 and were not even impressed with D2.
And I have to admit, I played through both the early games about 5 times a piece. I haven't played either in about 3 or 4 years. I loaded up D2 when I stumbled across this site when the countdown started back in April. After the games I have been playing (and WoW ain't one of 'em, hate it) like Witcher, DDO, Oblivion and AoC, quite frankly I couldn't play it through.
Because of the graphics mainly. They just seemed...dated and old fashioned. And I consider myself a FAN of the series. I was truly psyched when there was even an inkling a new, updated version of the game was coming out.
I guess my point is this...Blizzard is trying to stay true to the franchise, as much as they can. They want to keep as many Diablo fans as they can. But there is a whole new generation or demographic of gamer they are trying to bring in to the game as well. People that are accustomed to a...for lack of a better phrase...more modern and up to date look. It is a business after all. For every hardcore Diablo fan they lose, and I hope they don'y lose any, there will be three to take their place. Like it or not, Blizzard knows what they are doing or rather, what they want to do. They aren't as successful as they are for nothing.
I agree wholeheartedly with this post, and the warcraft comparison is priceless.
However, while Blizzard was never obligated TO their fans to remake Diablo, it would have been foolish, economically speaking, not to. Thus, the metamorphasis to the next generation, and the subsequent bashing that has accompanied it.
C-H-A-N-G-E.....inevitable, necessary, different...of the 12,14, 18 thousand petition signers, how many would rather have this iteration of Diablo 3 , or nothing at all? I thought so.
You made some subtle changes, and aside from the gargoyles, I don't see a game-breaking difference.
This isn't directed specifically at you...and is just one person's perspective. I know it's just an example, but this is a screenshot, a picture that can be disected and studied, as are the rest I have seen. It is very easy to pick apart a picture. For others, they look at the game in other ways. For instance:
I imagine charging in this same room and seeing a buttload of mobs (22 actually) that need my immediate attention. I ain't gonna pay attention to the pikachu gargoyles and that the floor is green. Much of what makes Diablo is as much the sheer adrenaline pumping, heart pounding rush of encountering multiple baddies at one time, and laying waste to them. Who has the time to admire the scenery? When I'm through, I may roll over, light up a smoke and stare at the ceiling... or the scenery. Just as likely not though. I can be awed and sucked in by the peripheral scenery while I'm running from room to room, scene to scene.
My point being, I was much more impressed with the barb's animations interacting with the environment and mobs, the added skill level that appears is going to be needed, and the obvious advancements(improvements IMO) of the graphics engine over Diablo 2.
Apparently, a LOT of folks also like the new look, with some of those probably in favor of a few visual tweaks. Count me in the second group. I think the game looks AMAZING! I think there is definitely a darkish mood already, and that was the first look at the game. Who knows, maybe they'll strike a happy medium...I don't see how it could be so difficult to implement graphic controls that can achieve the same thing. Heck, most modern monitors and graphic cards allow manipulation of these things.