Wow I almost feel the need to shed a tear to such a happy ending.
Really now we have all understood what true christians are like./sarcasm
I mean check that out-
The parts of my arguements you quoted own your counter-arguements. Good try though.
You would totally pawn as a lawyer...I mean like pawn yourself.
In any case if you went at Equinox like that when she was your favorite user and all, I wonder how you would fare when you meet a homosexual who according to you is sin impersonate?
It's understandable you got upset when the veracity of your religion was questioned.
Yet if you were so sure in your beliefs, you would have maintained your calm and explained your opinions instead of labeling arguments as retarded or stupid. A stupid or retarded argument should do nothing to shake your beliefs or prompt you to respond so aggressively if that makes any sense to you.
Sorry for all the excess sarcasm, but I pray to God(yes I do) that this is not what humanity has come down to.
I am voicing my opinion as a concern because you are 18 and yet you have such mentality.
lol dude this is a debate, i think it's safe to say i'm not going to win equinox over to christianity and change her view. So i wasnt talking calmly as if i was talking to someone i was trying to win to christ. so i got offensive, but my offense had a strong offense, and it still is. Dude, I have talked to many homosexuals, I don't flip out, most of the time I don't say anything. But the ones I have talked to don't hate me and I don't hate them, I just don't agree with their life style.
(well one homosexual, that i know of, does hate me, but i dont hate them) but anyways
I was (and am) sure in my beliefs, that's why I said that their arguements were stupid.
If you read my posts (there are three posts in this thread that show counter arguements for equinox's view), then you would see I have valid arguements
EDIT: stop trying to guess my personality/character/ how I would react in certain scenarios when you dont even know me in real life.
EDIT 2: When I said "The parts of my arguements you quoted own your counter-arguements. Good try though," what does that have to do with me being a christian? No revelance whatsoever. I believe they do own his counter-arguements, and that was me standing up for what I believe in. So you trying to say that I was being "un-chirstian" (lol) in saying that is actually the total opposite.
Ha, Don, you are funny. There is a mutual judgemental factor between christians and non-christians. Christians believe homosexuality is wrong, homosexuals believe christianity is wrong (or at least their stance on homosexuality).
So, homosexuals, from what you are saying, are messing with the lives of christians un-invited, which is, according to you, the "truest of all immoralities."
The golden rule, nice. If people persecute me for my beliefs in Christ I'm fine with that, I count it glory for him.
There are multiple examples of people being "interferred with un-invited" in the bible and them being fine with that. The account of Stephen?
2a) I agree with this first part. You have those who believe from reading, discussing. You also have people who do not believe because God is not something they can touch, see, hear, smell. They use their physical senses, but are not using their spiritual senses. I believe that we all have that spiritual sense(or sixth sense), but not everyone is in touch with nor acknowledges it. As for the Burning Hell, the Book of Revelation does mention a place of burning fire, brimstone and gnashing of teeth as if in agony. (Revelation 20:7-15)
2b) Yes, an Omnipotent God would know our thought process being the creator of humanity. In the time before Jesus, there were prophets whom God talked to to spread the message. Then, during Jesus' life He too during His Earthly ministry talked about "the Kingdom of God" and how to get there. Those who were his Disciples wrote down what they saw and heard, the Gospels, and they are in the Bible for anyone to read. But even reading it, people will still come to their own conclusions through their own thought process. So you really can't fault God for lack of trying.
2c) Satan was the first Angel to be created. He was the most beautiful of all of what God created. Covered in the most beautiful jewels and adornments. He was given the place of Covering Cherub above God.(Ezekiel 28:13-17, Isaiah 14:13-14) But, being a created being, Satan isn't perfect. You could say pridefullness set in. Wanting to be as great as or greater than God.
I believe that Satan has excellent knowledge of the Bible, and is able to turn it and twist it to deceive. But because we too have the ability to search out God, and then don't, then we are accountable for that. But, Satan too, Biblically, will suffer for the deception. (Revelation 20:10)
2a) I speculate that we could have that sense but I can't actually say that I know. Logic tells me there's a god but I dono if I actually have a 6th sense about it.
On the topic of hell read Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10. Those scriptures are not referring to anybody specific. They apply to all of mankind and clearly state that when we die we are conscious of nothing, no pain, no torment, no emotions or feeling at all. The Book of Revelations is so full of sybolism that I dare say that Hell is also a symbol. The Book of Revelations was clearly inspired by the prophetic and symbol filled Book of Enoch were a lot of the stuff is visionary. Also Psalms 146:3,4 clearly identify that once dead, we are conscious of nothing.
2c) Where do you get that he was the first angel? None of those scriptures dated him as being the first angel. I personally believe that Micheal is Jesus, and he was the first angel to be created. If you compare the two, their descriptions are exactly the same and when writers would address them they would address them both the same. I'm not going to delve too much into this thought right now unless you want me to elaborate.
My problem with how Christianity tries to convey this fork in the road path in life is that they blur what it really is. They claim that it's simple, you can choose to follow God and be good or follow Satan and lose your soul. Well whats wrong with that picture? Why is it NOT simple? Because God does not physically cause manifestations anymore. There is no longer contact between humans and angels. In fact, we have more contact with demons than we do angels (thats one of the reasons I do feel that I lean towards Christianity, but thats for another time). So it's not as cut and dry as "See God? See Satan? Read the book? Ok good, now pick!". Do you see what I'm saying? Christians try to present it as a matter of choosing when it's not. FIRST, it's a matter of deciding whether to believe, which is much harder for some than others. That primary hurdle is much harder to get over than simply choosing who to follow. I mean, could you imagine if one day you looked up in the sky and saw an angel and spoke with it. If everybody KNEW, having knowledge of God, imagine how many more followers God would have.
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Christians believe homosexuality is wrong, homosexuals believe christianity is wrong (or at least their stance on homosexuality).
Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is wrong. Not even all Christian churches believe that homosexuality is wrong. It just depends on how literally you take the bible.
And as for homosexuals disagreeing with Christians who say they are sinning, if somebody says your are going to hell you probably don't want to agree with them.
Oookay. I've tried my best to stay clear of this thread but I just...wow. Twilight, you're 18 and you're already this zealous? What did your parents feed you as a kid, the blood of Christ in your cereal?
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Homosexuals can just as easily be rapists as heterosexuals. So that arguement is retarded.
Not entirely. Rape is not about sex, it is about power and control. Rapists need to hurt, feel power, in order to get off. This is why most rapists are guys, and they rape women - smaller women. A gay man raping another gay man probably isn't unheard of, but the rapist would have to be built and the victim would have to be ridiculously smaller. How often have you heard something about a man raping a man? Excluding jail.
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Homosexaulity is immoral IMO. Christians are only as judgemental as their creator (or are supposed to be), meaning, if God's word says being homosexual is sinful then, according to God, and christians, no one should be homosexual.
Being a Christian is immoral IMO. Of every religion I've seen only two misinterpret the Bible and use its words as law: Christianity and Islam. A true Christian doesn't judge others, doesn't get in fights on the internet. A true Christian is accepting of everything and everybody, regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, religious views. I don't think you dislike homosexuality because it says it's wrong in the Bible - I think you're homophobic and use that as an excuse to hate them.
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I have never thought a homosexual was a pedophile. I can see a homosexual being a pedophile just as easily as a heterosexual being a pedophile, but I have never just assumed that homosexuals are pedophiles.
Did you know most pedophiles are straight, white men? Most of them are upstanding *religion name here.* Sure a homosexual man could be a pedophile, but he's part of a small percentage. What you should be more worried about is leaving your daughter at Sunday School with the pastor.
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Once again, since you cannot disprove the existence of God (which you can't) then for people who believe he exist, and follow his word, aren't any more judgemental than if you believe in the big bang theory and bash christianity.
To me, God exists - but not in the form of any man made religion. God is everywhere, is the planet we live on, the life on the planet. We are god. She didn't write some book for us to kill people over, or tell us having a certain kind of sex is wrong.
Can you prove me wrong, or can you prove yourself right? We're both wrong and we're both right.
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The word of God was inspired by him, so the writers only wrote what He would have wanted in the bible.
The words in the Bible are the words of man. Sure, God may have inspired them, but in my opinion it was a publicity stunt to get more money out the population as well as mind control them for generations. Question: Do you believe in Aliens? What will happen to the worlds religions when Aliens make first contact? Think Earth Religions will survive the jump to light speed, survive whatever our new friends religions are?
I can't tell from here down who said what. But my conclusion is that you're a confused, brainwashed 18 year old who has little to no world experience. Come back when you've lived on your own for a while and can form your own opinions without having to borrow other peoples (or the Bibles.)
My girlfriend wanted me to say to you, "Why don't zealots care when they hurt people?"
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There is a mutual judgemental factor between christians and non-christians. Christians believe homosexuality is wrong, homosexuals believe christianity is wrong (or at least their stance on homosexuality).
Wow. Where do you get your facts from. You do realize not every single homosexual is a non-religious heathen who bashes on Christianity right? There are lots of gay Christians. Imagine how many in your flock are in the closet.
You didn't just call all non-Christians homosexuals, did you?
Well, that's not what my point was there. A homosexual can be a christian, but if he/she is homosexual they are commintting sin and have fallen from the grace of God and need to change their way to be in right terms with God.
Dude, I want out of this discussion, you can comment on this post, but I'm seriously done. I stand by everything I have said.
EDIT: wow Seniri, wow. you don't even know me.
EDIT2: I hope ppl can see that Seniri's arguements are stupid.
Well, that's not what my point was there. A homosexual can be a christian, but if he/she is homosexual they are commintting sin and have fallen from the grace of God and need to change their way to be in right terms with God.
Dude, I want out of this discussion, you can comment on this post, but I'm seriously done. I stand by everything I have said.
EDIT: wow Seniri, wow. you don't even know me.
EDIT2: I hope ppl can see that Seniri's arguements are stupid.
I've sat here for a few minutes trying to write a proper response, but I can't do it. I thought you wanted out of this discussion? Doesn't look like it. I wrote a few things, some of them about trying to judge yourself before judging others, or try to open your mind and see another human beings opinion without your faith fogging your vision. But the best I can do, I apologize, is this picture.
Dude, your arguement is the one that is stupid, you talk about aliens in a religion thread, and specifically one that has been on the topic of christianity.
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That's what you said there. And that is wrong. I'm not a Christian, and yet I'm not a homosexual.
Me discussing and you just saying that I'm wrong without pointing out why is not a discussion in the first place.
Calling other people's arguments "stupid" without pointing out why, is in fact, stupid.
I'll stay in this discussion, but I dont feel like typin huge paragraphs anymore lol.
Anyways, I dont understand what you mean by this. Could you clarify, sorry.
Ladies can we be civil? I'm just waiting on Nektu to respond to my post. We have good discussions me and him! Nektu is ma dawg!
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We would if you would comment on my posts! But so far only Nektu cares to talk to me here lol.
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I mean that if I constructed a reasoned reply, which you replied to with "you're wrong" without arguments as to why, that makes you look like you can't argue against me.
Show me where I did that without giving any support, don't chop my statements in showing that I in actuality did this. Also, show what the topic was and so on.
EDIT: I did that to Seniri yes. But that's just bc I'm not responding to his arguements, pretty much just to make him mad lol. Plus they are pretty dumb in my eyes and there would be a lot of typing involved. Bringing up aliens in this conversation cut me off from him.
Show me where I did that without giving any support, don't chop my statements in showing that I in actuality did this. Also, show what the topic was and so on.
See?!?! I get completely ignored!:(
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Dude, your arguement is the one that is stupid, you talk about aliens in a religion thread, and specifically one that has been on the topic of christianity.
..and what if there are aliens? Are you telling me you don't think a different life form could be a Christian?
I like how you look at one piece of my post, point out that it's about aliens in a religious debate thread, and completely ignore all of my other points. I don't care if you reply to them or not, honestly, I just find your lack of logic and reasoning hilarious, and your inability to form a coherent reply to most of the posts you've replied to a little sad.
I think you're a really judgmental and biased person. I don't think you're a bad person, that's not what I'm saying, but I think you need to think through your responses a little more, hit "preview post" and read it before posting it.
..and what if there are aliens? Are you telling me you don't think a different life form could be a Christian?
I like how you look at one piece of my post, point out that it's about aliens in a religious debate thread, and completely ignore all of my other points. I don't care if you reply to them or not, honestly, I just find your lack of logic and reasoning hilarious, and your inability to form a coherent reply to most of the posts you've replied to a little sad.
I think you're a really judgmental and biased person. I don't think you're a bad person, that's not what I'm saying, but I think you need to think through your responses a little more, hit "preview post" and read it before posting it.
Read my first three "long" posts in this thread (when I was acutually caring, and proving stuff).
Maybe your judgemental and biased. I don't think you're a bad person either I think you need to think through your responses too. Esp. about aliens in a religious (christianity topic based) discussion.
My last several posts I havent made very many points I know that, I'm just laughing at your guys's views, like you are mine, the laughing is both directions.
Yeah, but what I was saying there was my counter-arguements to your counter arguements was my original arguements. So I had an arguement vs your counter arguement. And I said that they ownd yours. I can use big font too btw.
Really now we have all understood what true christians are like./sarcasm
I mean check that out-
You would totally pawn as a lawyer...I mean like pawn yourself.
In any case if you went at Equinox like that when she was your favorite user and all, I wonder how you would fare when you meet a homosexual who according to you is sin impersonate?
It's understandable you got upset when the veracity of your religion was questioned.
Yet if you were so sure in your beliefs, you would have maintained your calm and explained your opinions instead of labeling arguments as retarded or stupid. A stupid or retarded argument should do nothing to shake your beliefs or prompt you to respond so aggressively if that makes any sense to you.
Sorry for all the excess sarcasm, but I pray to God(yes I do) that this is not what humanity has come down to.
I am voicing my opinion as a concern because you are 18 and yet you have such mentality.
Peace out.
lol dude this is a debate, i think it's safe to say i'm not going to win equinox over to christianity and change her view. So i wasnt talking calmly as if i was talking to someone i was trying to win to christ. so i got offensive, but my offense had a strong offense, and it still is. Dude, I have talked to many homosexuals, I don't flip out, most of the time I don't say anything. But the ones I have talked to don't hate me and I don't hate them, I just don't agree with their life style.
(well one homosexual, that i know of, does hate me, but i dont hate them) but anyways
I was (and am) sure in my beliefs, that's why I said that their arguements were stupid.
If you read my posts (there are three posts in this thread that show counter arguements for equinox's view), then you would see I have valid arguements
EDIT: stop trying to guess my personality/character/ how I would react in certain scenarios when you dont even know me in real life.
EDIT 2: When I said "The parts of my arguements you quoted own your counter-arguements. Good try though," what does that have to do with me being a christian? No revelance whatsoever. I believe they do own his counter-arguements, and that was me standing up for what I believe in. So you trying to say that I was being "un-chirstian" (lol) in saying that is actually the total opposite.
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So, homosexuals, from what you are saying, are messing with the lives of christians un-invited, which is, according to you, the "truest of all immoralities."
The golden rule, nice. If people persecute me for my beliefs in Christ I'm fine with that, I count it glory for him.
There are multiple examples of people being "interferred with un-invited" in the bible and them being fine with that. The account of Stephen?
And yes, that is so.
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2a) I speculate that we could have that sense but I can't actually say that I know. Logic tells me there's a god but I dono if I actually have a 6th sense about it.
On the topic of hell read Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10. Those scriptures are not referring to anybody specific. They apply to all of mankind and clearly state that when we die we are conscious of nothing, no pain, no torment, no emotions or feeling at all. The Book of Revelations is so full of sybolism that I dare say that Hell is also a symbol. The Book of Revelations was clearly inspired by the prophetic and symbol filled Book of Enoch were a lot of the stuff is visionary. Also Psalms 146:3,4 clearly identify that once dead, we are conscious of nothing.
2c) Where do you get that he was the first angel? None of those scriptures dated him as being the first angel. I personally believe that Micheal is Jesus, and he was the first angel to be created. If you compare the two, their descriptions are exactly the same and when writers would address them they would address them both the same. I'm not going to delve too much into this thought right now unless you want me to elaborate.
My problem with how Christianity tries to convey this fork in the road path in life is that they blur what it really is. They claim that it's simple, you can choose to follow God and be good or follow Satan and lose your soul. Well whats wrong with that picture? Why is it NOT simple? Because God does not physically cause manifestations anymore. There is no longer contact between humans and angels. In fact, we have more contact with demons than we do angels (thats one of the reasons I do feel that I lean towards Christianity, but thats for another time). So it's not as cut and dry as "See God? See Satan? Read the book? Ok good, now pick!". Do you see what I'm saying? Christians try to present it as a matter of choosing when it's not. FIRST, it's a matter of deciding whether to believe, which is much harder for some than others. That primary hurdle is much harder to get over than simply choosing who to follow. I mean, could you imagine if one day you looked up in the sky and saw an angel and spoke with it. If everybody KNEW, having knowledge of God, imagine how many more followers God would have.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is wrong. Not even all Christian churches believe that homosexuality is wrong. It just depends on how literally you take the bible.
And as for homosexuals disagreeing with Christians who say they are sinning, if somebody says your are going to hell you probably don't want to agree with them.
Not entirely. Rape is not about sex, it is about power and control. Rapists need to hurt, feel power, in order to get off. This is why most rapists are guys, and they rape women - smaller women. A gay man raping another gay man probably isn't unheard of, but the rapist would have to be built and the victim would have to be ridiculously smaller. How often have you heard something about a man raping a man? Excluding jail.
Being a Christian is immoral IMO. Of every religion I've seen only two misinterpret the Bible and use its words as law: Christianity and Islam. A true Christian doesn't judge others, doesn't get in fights on the internet. A true Christian is accepting of everything and everybody, regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, religious views. I don't think you dislike homosexuality because it says it's wrong in the Bible - I think you're homophobic and use that as an excuse to hate them.
Did you know most pedophiles are straight, white men? Most of them are upstanding *religion name here.* Sure a homosexual man could be a pedophile, but he's part of a small percentage. What you should be more worried about is leaving your daughter at Sunday School with the pastor.
To me, God exists - but not in the form of any man made religion. God is everywhere, is the planet we live on, the life on the planet. We are god. She didn't write some book for us to kill people over, or tell us having a certain kind of sex is wrong.
Can you prove me wrong, or can you prove yourself right? We're both wrong and we're both right.
The words in the Bible are the words of man. Sure, God may have inspired them, but in my opinion it was a publicity stunt to get more money out the population as well as mind control them for generations. Question: Do you believe in Aliens? What will happen to the worlds religions when Aliens make first contact? Think Earth Religions will survive the jump to light speed, survive whatever our new friends religions are?
I can't tell from here down who said what. But my conclusion is that you're a confused, brainwashed 18 year old who has little to no world experience. Come back when you've lived on your own for a while and can form your own opinions without having to borrow other peoples (or the Bibles.)
My girlfriend wanted me to say to you, "Why don't zealots care when they hurt people?"
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Wow. Where do you get your facts from. You do realize not every single homosexual is a non-religious heathen who bashes on Christianity right? There are lots of gay Christians. Imagine how many in your flock are in the closet.
Well, that's not what my point was there. A homosexual can be a christian, but if he/she is homosexual they are commintting sin and have fallen from the grace of God and need to change their way to be in right terms with God.
Dude, I want out of this discussion, you can comment on this post, but I'm seriously done. I stand by everything I have said.
EDIT: wow Seniri, wow. you don't even know me.
EDIT2: I hope ppl can see that Seniri's arguements are stupid.
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I've sat here for a few minutes trying to write a proper response, but I can't do it. I thought you wanted out of this discussion? Doesn't look like it. I wrote a few things, some of them about trying to judge yourself before judging others, or try to open your mind and see another human beings opinion without your faith fogging your vision. But the best I can do, I apologize, is this picture.
Dude, your arguement is the one that is stupid, you talk about aliens in a religion thread, and specifically one that has been on the topic of christianity.
I'll stay in this discussion, but I dont feel like typin huge paragraphs anymore lol.
Anyways, I dont understand what you mean by this. Could you clarify, sorry.
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I thought we had something special...
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Show me where I did that without giving any support, don't chop my statements in showing that I in actuality did this. Also, show what the topic was and so on.
EDIT: I did that to Seniri yes. But that's just bc I'm not responding to his arguements, pretty much just to make him mad lol. Plus they are pretty dumb in my eyes and there would be a lot of typing involved. Bringing up aliens in this conversation cut me off from him.
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See?!?! I get completely ignored!:(
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..and what if there are aliens? Are you telling me you don't think a different life form could be a Christian?
I like how you look at one piece of my post, point out that it's about aliens in a religious debate thread, and completely ignore all of my other points. I don't care if you reply to them or not, honestly, I just find your lack of logic and reasoning hilarious, and your inability to form a coherent reply to most of the posts you've replied to a little sad.
I think you're a really judgmental and biased person. I don't think you're a bad person, that's not what I'm saying, but I think you need to think through your responses a little more, hit "preview post" and read it before posting it.
Read my first three "long" posts in this thread (when I was acutually caring, and proving stuff).
Maybe your judgemental and biased. I don't think you're a bad person either I think you need to think through your responses too. Esp. about aliens in a religious (christianity topic based) discussion.
My last several posts I havent made very many points I know that, I'm just laughing at your guys's views, like you are mine, the laughing is both directions.
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Yeah, but what I was saying there was my counter-arguements to your counter arguements was my original arguements. So I had an arguement vs your counter arguement. And I said that they ownd yours. I can use big font too btw.
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