ok well i am open to debate on dh as a class, sorry if my big post was a bit hastily written i just went on a rant, that after looking it over i agree isnt all true, but still at its core dh just isnt nearly as good or great as people think/portray it as. compared to other classes
the armor change, i wasnt aware, i didnt do my research that armor mitigates everything, i thought it was just physical, ok my bad on that one (so this will be a big upgrade)
well when i say dps i am talking real numbers i see when i play classes, its kinda confusing maybe, but like for example, right now my dh is sitting at 1.9m dps with ss, just over 1m without ss, ok so with 1m dps you kinda think they could do some great dps with basic shots/spenders/builders? everything i have tried, and i've tried every shot, barely hits like a wet noodle, even with full as/crit/hit and i have dual danettas, and my gear is pretty good, not incredible but pretty good
My crusader on the other hand only needs to walk into a pack of mobs and hit 2 buttons and melts elites in t4/t5 in seconds, rinse repeat, on my dh i have to shoot and kite forever to kill 1 elite, using my frost arrow build, my frost arrow is almost fully upgraded, i have +45% frost arrow, and 40% cold i think, my frost arrows do 10-12m crits, without kridershot though i can only empty so much frost arrows before going oom, and using some skills yes i can refill it fast, but the majority of my gameplay on dh centers around kiting and waiting for resource and also waiting for ss to "kick in" again with more crit...the more you sustain dps the less crit you get, after stop dpsing, it fills back up this is best way to explain it
So in the middle of an elite fight i start out blasting the hell out of them with great crits...then by a minute or so in, my shots are doing 300k, maybe 1m, the difference is immediate, the next fight ss is back up and pew pew great...the up and down always bugged me
Now without ss, the damage is consistent, but the damage is nerfed a bit, literally by 1m dps, thats quite a bit
Compare that to my crusader who hits 10-15 with justice, blessed hammers consistently 8m with fire build, and he only has 800k dps or something...AND he can tank and be up in the fight only dying if he takes multiple arcane beams, or some kind of bad accident, my dh with 1.9m dps is barely there, and with ss, does so much less than my crusader, with less dps, 1.9 sheet dps and thats not including the 40% cold, 45% frost arrow etc, and +elite % from soj...etc etc...widens the game even more
the same scenario goes for my wizard, 1.4m dps, drops everything in seconds, my WD can kill T6 Ghom in full pet build in 15 second or less, i tried that on my dh? took MINUTES of constant running and gunning...no comparison there
if you say full marauders and proper build can compete with the other classes on t6, i've heard they can...but it sucks that you have to do SO MUCH more to get there, than any other class, thats what bugs me the most, DH go from struggling to OP in just a few key skills/full set of marauders, its dumb that that gap even exsists, for any class
My question is why would a DH not roll sentry? Play a different class if you dont want to be OP by doing nothing...
I invite you to play a sentry Demon Hunter, the damage scale with skills is so trash compared to other toons. On top of the bad damage (Even at 1,000,000 dps) we need to be constantly moving everywhere so we can to stay alive because we need to stack enough damage to even put a dent into elites. I would like to see you solo T6 with a sentry demon hunter without dying once.
My question is why would a DH not roll sentry? Play a different class if you dont want to be OP by doing nothing...
I invite you to play a sentry Demon Hunter, the damage scale with skills is so trash compared to other toons. On top of the bad damage (Even at 1,000,000 dps) we need to be constantly moving everywhere so we can to stay alive because we need to stack enough damage to even put a dent into elites. I would like to see you solo T6 with a sentry demon hunter without dying once.
i dont think that is difficult imao. u just need smoke screen and move around like what u had said.
if u are really bored, just put yr sentries and move off to screen far enough.i dont think they(any mobs) will bite u once.
if u are talking about how fragile DH is, i agree too, and i think they are designed in this way too.
20 hours since last reply...but i just wanted to say thanks for the constructive feedback, i tend to be a bit harsh on initial rants and raves about something i am passionate about, and i always come out looking like an idiot lol (/sigh)
now as far as my dh goes, i guess i'll switch to fire, and all that as you said, i am well aware that i am not optimal spec, and i am also aware that ss isnt very good, its just that for me, the dps that i have was good enough for t4, and i enjoy the gameplay of frost arrow and dual wielding, its not always about efficient/optimial builds, and that i guess is my main problem...
I KNOW i can make my dh better and be doing t6, i have resisted doing all that, why bitch about something that i cant fight? because at the end of the day i found the style/build that everyone has to roll in order to do the best you can, isnt really appealing to me, and yes i could get used to it, but just think my rant was saying that it sucks that the underlying problem for all classes in d3 is that they are pidegonholed into a specific gear/build in order to be on top or do T6 optimally
Hopefully all this mess will be cleared up some in 2.1 with the class "balancing" they are going to be doing so that all classes can compete in tiered rifts equally, but I'm not holding my breath, frustrated that there are just a few game designs/decisions that are holding back the game, and powerless to change it, or get through to the dev's to do something (1000's have already tried).
I always played DH's because I actually like having to move and avoid n such. To me it's part of the charm. Now my build is far from optimized, it's primarily physical, still have a couple fire things without +fire damage help, and I still do 1.5 mill elemental ELITE damage. Do I melt stuff higher up, no, but I never have, I "dance" and attack. Kinlda like that old Ali quote, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
If I wanna stand still and melt, I play a wizard. I will say this, playing a DH has helped me develop the skills tokeep ALL my other toons out of trouble when it starts going south...
My question is why would a DH not roll sentry? Play a different class if you dont want to be OP by doing nothing...
I invite you to play a sentry Demon Hunter, the damage scale with skills is so trash compared to other toons. On top of the bad damage (Even at 1,000,000 dps) we need to be constantly moving everywhere so we can to stay alive because we need to stack enough damage to even put a dent into elites. I would like to see you solo T6 with a sentry demon hunter without dying once.
the armor change, i wasnt aware, i didnt do my research that armor mitigates everything, i thought it was just physical, ok my bad on that one (so this will be a big upgrade)
well when i say dps i am talking real numbers i see when i play classes, its kinda confusing maybe, but like for example, right now my dh is sitting at 1.9m dps with ss, just over 1m without ss, ok so with 1m dps you kinda think they could do some great dps with basic shots/spenders/builders? everything i have tried, and i've tried every shot, barely hits like a wet noodle, even with full as/crit/hit and i have dual danettas, and my gear is pretty good, not incredible but pretty good
My crusader on the other hand only needs to walk into a pack of mobs and hit 2 buttons and melts elites in t4/t5 in seconds, rinse repeat, on my dh i have to shoot and kite forever to kill 1 elite, using my frost arrow build, my frost arrow is almost fully upgraded, i have +45% frost arrow, and 40% cold i think, my frost arrows do 10-12m crits, without kridershot though i can only empty so much frost arrows before going oom, and using some skills yes i can refill it fast, but the majority of my gameplay on dh centers around kiting and waiting for resource and also waiting for ss to "kick in" again with more crit...the more you sustain dps the less crit you get, after stop dpsing, it fills back up this is best way to explain it
So in the middle of an elite fight i start out blasting the hell out of them with great crits...then by a minute or so in, my shots are doing 300k, maybe 1m, the difference is immediate, the next fight ss is back up and pew pew great...the up and down always bugged me
Now without ss, the damage is consistent, but the damage is nerfed a bit, literally by 1m dps, thats quite a bit
Compare that to my crusader who hits 10-15 with justice, blessed hammers consistently 8m with fire build, and he only has 800k dps or something...AND he can tank and be up in the fight only dying if he takes multiple arcane beams, or some kind of bad accident, my dh with 1.9m dps is barely there, and with ss, does so much less than my crusader, with less dps, 1.9 sheet dps and thats not including the 40% cold, 45% frost arrow etc, and +elite % from soj...etc etc...widens the game even more
the same scenario goes for my wizard, 1.4m dps, drops everything in seconds, my WD can kill T6 Ghom in full pet build in 15 second or less, i tried that on my dh? took MINUTES of constant running and gunning...no comparison there
if you say full marauders and proper build can compete with the other classes on t6, i've heard they can...but it sucks that you have to do SO MUCH more to get there, than any other class, thats what bugs me the most, DH go from struggling to OP in just a few key skills/full set of marauders, its dumb that that gap even exsists, for any class
if u are really bored, just put yr sentries and move off to screen far enough.i dont think they(any mobs) will bite u once.
if u are talking about how fragile DH is, i agree too, and i think they are designed in this way too.
now as far as my dh goes, i guess i'll switch to fire, and all that as you said, i am well aware that i am not optimal spec, and i am also aware that ss isnt very good, its just that for me, the dps that i have was good enough for t4, and i enjoy the gameplay of frost arrow and dual wielding, its not always about efficient/optimial builds, and that i guess is my main problem...
I KNOW i can make my dh better and be doing t6, i have resisted doing all that, why bitch about something that i cant fight? because at the end of the day i found the style/build that everyone has to roll in order to do the best you can, isnt really appealing to me, and yes i could get used to it, but just think my rant was saying that it sucks that the underlying problem for all classes in d3 is that they are pidegonholed into a specific gear/build in order to be on top or do T6 optimally
Hopefully all this mess will be cleared up some in 2.1 with the class "balancing" they are going to be doing so that all classes can compete in tiered rifts equally, but I'm not holding my breath, frustrated that there are just a few game designs/decisions that are holding back the game, and powerless to change it, or get through to the dev's to do something (1000's have already tried).
If I wanna stand still and melt, I play a wizard. I will say this, playing a DH has helped me develop the skills tokeep ALL my other toons out of trouble when it starts going south...
And SS is an illusonary crutch. Never use it.
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