Filming cops who are public servants from your own yard while they are on public streets is not apparently uncalled for. When they tell you to go inside your house, which you have all rights to object to, it's your land, you'd better obey them or you're subject to being arrested for exercising your rights.
Then when people protest, the police find a vague law never enforced to give people tickets for. That's petty and immature.
Yes the people TECHNICALLY broke a law by parking inches past the 12 inch legal mark but it seems pretty obvious to me it's being used as a personal vendetta.
I dislike anyone who abuses their power for their own personal reasons or gain, or just to throw their weight around.
I have a few family members who are cops, it's a very much needed service. Unfortunately not all of them can be upstanding guardians of the law, and it tends to attract some unsavory characters in some cases.
The main issue I have is infringing on people's rights, and that's not just the police.
You can see in the first video the woman is breaking no laws besides the fictional "go inside your house" law. The cop is there with a partner, and orders her to leave her own yard and go inside her house, when she refuses he arrests her.
If you're speaking about the man being arrested in the beginning, no he doesn't have the right to conceal his identity. This is not a TV show, that only applies there. It is a dispute happening on the public street dealing with public servants. You have every right here to personally film anything that happens in public.
I feel it's my duty to at least provide people with information, whether they choose to watch it, believe it, or pursue their own interest in it further is their own choice. I'm glad to see people thinking though. It's never a bad thing to question whether something is right or wrong, especially legally.
What annoyed me the most was when the cop told the lady in her own front yard to go inside when he has no rights to tell her what to do as it is her "own" property.
Cops these days always taking out there frustrations on the innocent.
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Disobeying police orders is deemed illegal almost everywhere, and the police have a right to issue orders that are necessary. If the police orders were uncalled for, then it's a matter of the legal system to prosecute the polices.
He has no right to tell her what to do on her own front yard even if he feels threatened.
Only thing I understand from these abuse links is: respect the authority or they'll find a way to put you down.
What could the genpop do, band up against law enforcement, back-up e-terrorists like lulzsec or blackkatsec?
It's a little too late for anything now, the man has hit boot firmly and securely placed on the little guy's neck, what else can we do except comply and keep our head down.
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SO MUCH DESPAIR IN YOUR WORDS BROTHER
makes me sad to see people think that way.
Imo your are totally wrong. Look at the arab countries right now. People have been oppressed for so long and finally they did something! The people are changing the system. Something that is also viable in the US. Maybe not in a similar way of revolt but still.
Never think that you "lost" this game of life. Because there is no winning or losing. The fact that youy exist counts as a win, if you wish it to be as so.
I dislike anyone who abuses their power for their own personal reasons or gain, or just to throw their weight around
Very well put Daemaro.
I have a story of my own. My brother and I were coming back from work on the streets of Chicago when a police officer was blocking the flow of traffic illegally parked on the major road. My brother honked his car horn, and the police officer stepped out complaining about the honking. My brother was very polite in explaining that he was blocking traffic, but the officer was nothing but rude and belligerent. He even made a discriminatory remark after he realized that my brother had a slight Polish accent. In short, he gave my brother a $25 citation for "Illegal use of horn in a non emergency situation."
Being incredibly offended by the officers actions I looked up Illinois and Chicago laws and found out that there is nothing that reserves horn use to emergency situations only. We wrote a three page letter of complaint and sent it to a bunch of Illinois agencies dealing with the police. I deliberately didn't include too many details in this post because the officer is under investigation by the Independent Police Review Authority. Just last week my brother and I gave our recorded statements about the incident.
In other words, if you are unsure of the legality of what the officer is doing accept the citation / arrest with kindness and patience. Then do everything to legally bitch slap the one who violated your rights or abused their own power.
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Well obviously you pretty much have to accept the arrest. If you don't you're resisting which is an added charge and they'll probably tackle you into the ground. But that's why it's imperitive we're allowed to film an arrest. If it's on the up and up then there is nothing for them to worry about, if you don't have it filmed then it's you VS an officers word and the court will almost always take the officers word.
Anyways to answer your question Don you can't order a citizen to do anything on their own property, unless they are breaking the law. Standing in your yard and filming is not against the law in New York, although some states have passed laws against filming an arrest, New York is not one of those.
Click and listen from 8:44 - 11:30 they talk to the vice president of the international union of police associations, and a 32 year veteran of the LA Sheriff's Department.
Well obviously you pretty much have to accept the arrest. If you don't you're resisting which is an added church and they'll probably tackle you into the ground.
Obviously resisting arrest is the worst thing anyone can do. But before the arrest is made there are things that an individual can do to make an officer think twice about arresting them. The best thing you can do is show the police officer that you know your rights, that you are knowledge of what his actions should be, and that you are confident and willing to fight for your rights.
For example, Rule 37 of the Chicago Police Code of Conduct mandates that all Chicago Police Officers identify themselves with either name or badge number when asked to do so. Asking a police officer his name and badge number is a great way to throw an officer out of his comfort zone. It usually breaks focus and shows the officer you are serious. Questioning the officer is a great way to establish your own authority and remove some of the officer's own authority by making him go on the defensive when he is answering. Officers aren't used to being challenged by someone who is confident and persistent. They are more accustomed to restraining aggressive people. Officers are trained to act before they think. If you force them to think before they act you are effectlvely breaking the officers routine.
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I think the last time someone entered my house without the right to do so(I.E. a robber or a police like in the video) was 15+ years ago. We had 2 burglars in our house and when we detected them we sent our dogs after them and even with a 100 feet headstart they didn't stand much of a chance. Our neighbours have burglars from time to time but no one has ever entered our property illegaly since.
To get to the point: If you enter my property without a reason you better have a DAMN good reason for me to not RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!
Well obviously you pretty much have to accept the arrest. If you don't you're resisting which is an added church and they'll probably tackle you into the ground.
Obviously resisting arrest is the worst thing anyone can do. But before the arrest is made there are things that an individual can do to make an officer think twice about arresting them. The best thing you can do is show the police officer that you know your rights, that you are knowledge of what his actions should be, and that you are confident and willing to fight for your rights.
For example, Rule 37 of the Chicago Police Code of Conduct mandates that all Chicago Police Officers identify themselves with either name or badge number when asked to do so. Asking a police officer his name and badge number is a great way to throw an officer out of his comfort zone. It usually breaks focus and shows the officer you are serious. Questioning the officer is a great way to establish your own authority and remove some of the officer's own authority by making him go on the defensive when he is answering. Officers aren't used to being challenged by someone who is confident and persistent. They are more accustomed to restraining aggressive people. Officers are trained to act before they think. If you force them to think before they act you are effectlvely breaking the officers routine.
It's not resist arrest unless they have a just reason to arrest you, if police just randomly entered my property to arrest me if I was filming them or something then that would be classified as illegal trespassing, you can get 2 years for that!
Only thing I understand from these abuse links is: respect the authority or they'll find a way to put you down.
What could the genpop do, band up against law enforcement, back-up e-terrorists like lulzsec or blackkatsec?
It's a little too late for anything now, the man has hit boot firmly and securely placed on the little guy's neck, what else can we do except comply and keep our head down.
WOW
SO MUCH DESPAIR IN YOUR WORDS BROTHER
makes me sad to see people think that way.
Imo your are totally wrong. Look at the arab countries right now. People have been oppressed for so long and finally they did something! The people are changing the system. Something that is also viable in the US. Maybe not in a similar way of revolt but still.
Never think that you "lost" this game of life. Because there is no winning or losing. The fact that youy exist counts as a win, if you wish it to be as so.
Trust me Jamoose, I am not a nihilist and not even pessimist, but it's hard to play the optimist card when you see lab-engineered diseases created only for the pharma companies' credit, revolutions and terrorist attacks authorized by sovereign states only to grab more precious resources (by the way this is what is happening now in the orient and it has already happened in eastern Europe at the end of the 80's - I know, I'm Romanian).
Don't get me wrong, I love and respect life but I just don't trust that we as a race are able to not screw things up, you could say I am a frustrated idealist.
As long as:
- pandemics enforce the labeling and vaccinating young children with possibly-cancerous or sterility-inducing vaccines ;
- terror attacks by extremist maniacs create police-states with absurd security rules;
- inability of people to voice their beliefs (be they religious, sexual, etc)
I will remain skeptic that all the scientific advancement, love and spiritual betterment are only a facade, a front for a small group of people who herd the rest to fill their ever-hungry pockets.
My two cents.
I understand everything you said and i agree with alot of it. But, i just want to say: look around you and you will see the change. The change is positive if want it to be. And it is coming. RIGHT NOW, ITS HAPPENING.
It's not resist arrest unless they have a just reason to arrest you, if police just randomly entered my property to arrest me if I was filming them or something then that would be classified as illegal trespassing, you can get 2 years for that!
True. Police can not legally forcefully enter private property unless they have a warrant or they are let in. Anything done after they enter your property unlawfully is unlawful in itself (any evidence they find, any arrests, etc.). The example you provided is therefore exaggerated. In a more realistic scenario though, lets say an officer stopped you for no reason and arrested you. It is in your best interest to question the officer, but still be compliant to not resist physically. If you hope to demonstrate in court that the arrest was unnecessary or illegal you better be ready to show that you yourself did nothing illegal during the arrest. By resisting (punching the officer, aggressive physical contact) during an illegal arrest you obliterate any chances of getting the officer in trouble for his actions even if it is clear that the arrest was illegal.
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It's not resist arrest unless they have a just reason to arrest you, if police just randomly entered my property to arrest me if I was filming them or something then that would be classified as illegal trespassing, you can get 2 years for that!
True. Police can not legally forcefully enter private property unless they have a warrant or they are let in. Anything done after they enter your property unlawfully is unlawful in itself (any evidence they find, any arrests, etc.). The example you provided is therefore exaggerated. In a more realistic scenario though, lets say an officer stopped you for no reason and arrested you. It is in your best interest to question the officer, but still be compliant to not resist physically. If you hope to demonstrate in court that the arrest was unnecessary or illegal you better be ready to show that you yourself did nothing illegal during the arrest. By resisting (punching the officer, aggressive physical contact) during an illegal arrest you obliterate any chances of getting the officer in trouble for his actions even if it is clear that the arrest was illegal.
Maybe I exaggerated a little but it's just not trespassing, in Sweden you can physically defend yourself(self-defence) if someone trepasses into your house. So if someone trepasses you're allowed to use violence(or threats )towards the assaulter that otherwise isn't legal, but not more than neccessary.
Sweden you can physically defend yourself(self-defence) if someone trepasses into your house. So if someone trepasses you're allowed to use violence(or threats )towards the assaulter that otherwise isn't legal, but not more than neccessary.
No doubt. It's the same in the US. If someone enters your house without your permission you can only assume they are up to no good. You just don't have enough time to ask questions when your life and well being is potentially in danger. You are then allowed to subdue the threat. The topic of trasspassing and the topic of police abuse and resisting arrest are almost always separate.
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"We are all atheists about most of the Gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one God further." - Prof. Richard Dawkins
In court today, the District Attorney’s office says based on a review of the evidence, there was no legal basis to go forward. The charge was withdrawn and the judge dismissed the case.
A joint statement issued by Mayor Tom Richards, City Council President Lovely Warren and Rochester Police Chief James Sheppard says they support the decision of the District Attorney’s Office to dismiss the charges against Good. The statement says whatever the specific circumstances that led to Good’s arrest, they see no purpose in pursuing the criminal charges.
The statement continues, “We believe that the incident that led to Ms. Good's arrest and the subsequent ticketing for parking violations of vehicles belonging to members of an organization associated with Ms. Good raise issues with respect to the conduct of Rochester Police Officers that require an internal review. A review into both matters has been initiated.
I'm so happy to see that justice can still be served. Not only is there no legal basis on which to prosecute her, they are reviewing the situation with the police issuing the protesters tickets as being unprofessional.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZkFZkejv8
Then when people protest, the police find a vague law never enforced to give people tickets for. That's petty and immature.
Yes the people TECHNICALLY broke a law by parking inches past the 12 inch legal mark but it seems pretty obvious to me it's being used as a personal vendetta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqPZxRWxxm4
Not at all, you misunderstand.
I dislike anyone who abuses their power for their own personal reasons or gain, or just to throw their weight around.
I have a few family members who are cops, it's a very much needed service. Unfortunately not all of them can be upstanding guardians of the law, and it tends to attract some unsavory characters in some cases.
The main issue I have is infringing on people's rights, and that's not just the police.
If you're speaking about the man being arrested in the beginning, no he doesn't have the right to conceal his identity. This is not a TV show, that only applies there. It is a dispute happening on the public street dealing with public servants. You have every right here to personally film anything that happens in public.
You're very welcome.
I feel it's my duty to at least provide people with information, whether they choose to watch it, believe it, or pursue their own interest in it further is their own choice. I'm glad to see people thinking though. It's never a bad thing to question whether something is right or wrong, especially legally.
The truth, sadly enough.
Shitty people in places of power gives rise to shitty situations.
On another note, I now feel terrible for laughing when that woman started crying. I need to go back to church or something.
Cops these days always taking out there frustrations on the innocent.
He has no right to tell her what to do on her own front yard even if he feels threatened.
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SO MUCH DESPAIR IN YOUR WORDS BROTHER
makes me sad to see people think that way.
Imo your are totally wrong. Look at the arab countries right now. People have been oppressed for so long and finally they did something! The people are changing the system. Something that is also viable in the US. Maybe not in a similar way of revolt but still.
Never think that you "lost" this game of life. Because there is no winning or losing. The fact that youy exist counts as a win, if you wish it to be as so.
Very well put Daemaro.
I have a story of my own. My brother and I were coming back from work on the streets of Chicago when a police officer was blocking the flow of traffic illegally parked on the major road. My brother honked his car horn, and the police officer stepped out complaining about the honking. My brother was very polite in explaining that he was blocking traffic, but the officer was nothing but rude and belligerent. He even made a discriminatory remark after he realized that my brother had a slight Polish accent. In short, he gave my brother a $25 citation for "Illegal use of horn in a non emergency situation."
Being incredibly offended by the officers actions I looked up Illinois and Chicago laws and found out that there is nothing that reserves horn use to emergency situations only. We wrote a three page letter of complaint and sent it to a bunch of Illinois agencies dealing with the police. I deliberately didn't include too many details in this post because the officer is under investigation by the Independent Police Review Authority. Just last week my brother and I gave our recorded statements about the incident.
In other words, if you are unsure of the legality of what the officer is doing accept the citation / arrest with kindness and patience. Then do everything to legally bitch slap the one who violated your rights or abused their own power.
Anyways to answer your question Don you can't order a citizen to do anything on their own property, unless they are breaking the law. Standing in your yard and filming is not against the law in New York, although some states have passed laws against filming an arrest, New York is not one of those.
http://www.wbur.org/media-player?url=http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/06/15/videotape-police&title=Turn Off That Camera! Filming The Police At Work&pubdate=2011-06-15&segment=1&source=onpoint
Click and listen from 8:44 - 11:30 they talk to the vice president of the international union of police associations, and a 32 year veteran of the LA Sheriff's Department.
Obviously resisting arrest is the worst thing anyone can do. But before the arrest is made there are things that an individual can do to make an officer think twice about arresting them. The best thing you can do is show the police officer that you know your rights, that you are knowledge of what his actions should be, and that you are confident and willing to fight for your rights.
For example, Rule 37 of the Chicago Police Code of Conduct mandates that all Chicago Police Officers identify themselves with either name or badge number when asked to do so. Asking a police officer his name and badge number is a great way to throw an officer out of his comfort zone. It usually breaks focus and shows the officer you are serious. Questioning the officer is a great way to establish your own authority and remove some of the officer's own authority by making him go on the defensive when he is answering. Officers aren't used to being challenged by someone who is confident and persistent. They are more accustomed to restraining aggressive people. Officers are trained to act before they think. If you force them to think before they act you are effectlvely breaking the officers routine.
To get to the point: If you enter my property without a reason you better have a DAMN good reason for me to not RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!
It's not resist arrest unless they have a just reason to arrest you, if police just randomly entered my property to arrest me if I was filming them or something then that would be classified as illegal trespassing, you can get 2 years for that!
I understand everything you said and i agree with alot of it. But, i just want to say: look around you and you will see the change. The change is positive if want it to be. And it is coming. RIGHT NOW, ITS HAPPENING.
True. Police can not legally forcefully enter private property unless they have a warrant or they are let in. Anything done after they enter your property unlawfully is unlawful in itself (any evidence they find, any arrests, etc.). The example you provided is therefore exaggerated. In a more realistic scenario though, lets say an officer stopped you for no reason and arrested you. It is in your best interest to question the officer, but still be compliant to not resist physically. If you hope to demonstrate in court that the arrest was unnecessary or illegal you better be ready to show that you yourself did nothing illegal during the arrest. By resisting (punching the officer, aggressive physical contact) during an illegal arrest you obliterate any chances of getting the officer in trouble for his actions even if it is clear that the arrest was illegal.
Maybe I exaggerated a little but it's just not trespassing, in Sweden you can physically defend yourself(self-defence) if someone trepasses into your house. So if someone trepasses you're allowed to use violence(or threats )towards the assaulter that otherwise isn't legal, but not more than neccessary.
No doubt. It's the same in the US. If someone enters your house without your permission you can only assume they are up to no good. You just don't have enough time to ask questions when your life and well being is potentially in danger. You are then allowed to subdue the threat. The topic of trasspassing and the topic of police abuse and resisting arrest are almost always separate.
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2174896.shtml?cat=566
Freedom prevails!
I'm so happy to see that justice can still be served. Not only is there no legal basis on which to prosecute her, they are reviewing the situation with the police issuing the protesters tickets as being unprofessional.
Corruption gets taken down a notch. Rejoice.
I do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8
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