dub Lucifer it would be interesting to empirical data on the event from multiple test subjects. After all there all kinds of weird things in the world, people who wake up in the morgues after being pronounced dead days earlier. Then there are certain animals that hibernate for months and for all intents and purposes are dead (like frogs) but a chemical process in the spring jump starts them into life.
For me the question is answered, but personal experience tends to do that. For example one can’t possibly know what it’s like to be electrocuted until they get personally shocked. Hearing, reading, and even seeing it happen to someone else just doesn’t answer the question 'what is it like?'
Right, but with a test such as this, it may actually prove or disprove, whether it was simply a function/manipulation of your brain of if it did actually happen.
I for one believe you, and would like to see an experiment like this commence.
Basing this on what you said happened, (and what many others have claimed happened) it would actually be possible to conduct such an experiment. In turn proving, that there is in fact some form of afterlife.
Until I am laid to rest, or until I die and come back, I will never know for sure, yes, but that doesn't stop my brain from itching every time I think of these events.
If even one person was able to identify what was on that screen, it would blow everyone and everything away.
It would certainly make the headlines if could be proven, it would also create a lot of religious fanatical chaos into the world, quite the butterfly effect I would say.
Shit like this annoys me. Some people claim to able to have OOBEs on will - yet there has never been one conclusive test done to test the ability to project consciousness...
OR perhaps they have, but the end answer is undesirable so they just dont mention it
It would seem like a relatively simple yet very monumental experiment
Another thing that sorta supports my preferred theory: the amount of people living right now roughly equals the amount of all those who died in the past.
@VegasRage
To your story, I can say only this:
"When a person says he saw a miracle that falls outside the laws of nature, it raises a question in our minds. Which is more likely... that something happened outside the laws of nature, or that a man might tell a lie? We have never in our life seen nature break its own laws. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told. There is at least a million to one odds that the reporter of the miracle told a lie."
What you've just said is what deists call "hear-say". A personal revelation that can only remain personal and never be logically shared with others because the amount of lies told on this subject and the psychological errors the brain likes to make, and the fact that I did not experience it.
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Living to live again, is a pretty silly concept.
I explained my concept. If you bother oppose it, can you at least say something argumentative?
Living for heaven (or hell, for everyone who thinks it's cool or whatever) is a thought more welcome to my acceptance.
Well, I think that thought is silly. I mean, what are you going to do? Just sit there? Humans are creators, they are actors, they can't just sit in joy or sorrow, it's against their very nature.
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I believe heaven is like a fountain filled with water, each drop of water represents one soul. as soon as you die your drop of water returns to that fountain and is mixed again with the others. When someone is born they are given one drop and that drop could of been a mix of other souls.
Isn't that the same exact thing I've said? :confused:
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Theres two ways of looking at consciousness. that I know of anyway
1) A separate piece, like a cog. A piece of the brain? A 'lump' of energy?
2) Consciousness is phenomena which is greater than its individual constituents and only exists when those individual components are correctly assembled. Simplest example I can possible think of... A chair vs a pile of wood
You forgot one of the main ones (dualism):
3) Consciousness exists outside of the physical plane.
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P.S - I dont see whats so great about the idea of Reincarnation anyway... I cant even remember my past life so whats the point :confused:
The fact that you can't remember your past life is what lets you live your current one... Besides, it's skeptical regarding what we remember. We may not have concrete memory of things, but people, once born, seem to have preset characters already. Where do those come from? Are they nurture, nature, or maybe that soul of the past?
The point of human-to-human reincarnation is not so much for "you", as for the general balance. Of course, as a greedy human, you want to get something out of it, but it's really one of the few ways to make everything fair.
Another thing that sorta supports my preferred theory: the amount of people living right now roughly equals the amount of all those who died in the past.
That doesn't make sense. If your theory were true, then wouldn't there be the same number of people on earth at any one given time? Where are all these new souls coming from? And if thats true, then it must suck to be us - caught in a neverending loop. Once you get in, you can't get out. Where were we before we got in?
That doesn't make sense. If your theory were true, then wouldn't there be the same number of people on earth at any one given time?
No... since more and more of them die...
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Where are all these new souls coming from?
The same source they came from originally.
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And if thats true, then it must suck to be us - caught in a neverending loop. Once you get in, you can't get out. Where were we before we got in?
Well, it depends. I don't see how any other option is better. And other questions are more relevant to "who made us" than to the question of afterlife. These same questions could be asked of pretty much any theory.
@VegasRage
To your story, I can say only this:
"When a person says he saw a miracle that falls outside the laws of nature, it raises a question in our minds. Which is more likely... that something happened outside the laws of nature, or that a man might tell a lie? We have never in our life seen nature break its own laws. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told. There is at least a million to one odds that the reporter of the miracle told a lie."
What you've just said is what deists call "hear-say". A personal revelation that can only remain personal and never be logically shared with others because the amount of lies told on this subject and the psychological errors the brain likes to make, and the fact that I did not experience it.
Right you are it can't be shared until that final moment we must all take and why I expect people to be skeptical, as they should be. If it had not happened to me I would be right there being skeptical with everyone else. I would have probably been burned at the stake for saying such stuff 600 years ago, being in league with the devil or something like that. As I was saying earlier to dub Lucifer one can't possibly know what it's like to be electrocuted until they get personally shocked. Hearing, reading, and even seeing it happen to someone else just doesn't answer the question 'what is it like?'
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I don't recommend people go shock themselves or die for the experience
I do think evidence of our own soul surrounds us everyday. Just by looking at someone/ somethings beliefs and characteristics, there is adequate evidence.
Ever seen or heard of a rogue animal in the wild? Some animals really are assholes! The same can be said for people...
For example. How would you feel if you saw someone kill an animal, did not let it suffer, used every bit of it's body to the fullest extent, and was grateful, now another person comes along and needlessly tortures and animal, lights its corpse on fire, and pisses on the ashes, and walks off laughing.
Some of you would feel a certain way about both men, some of you may not even be bothered by the second man, while most of you would be outraged, there is no teachings anywhere that can tell you how you are supposed to feel about life, its miracles , and tragedies. But you do feel a certain way, this is evidence of past life and your soul, I think.
I really do believe that you have no concrete memory of your previous life(s) but your soul however, whether it be inside a human , or an antelope , or far away on some distant rock in space , does have a memory, based on what it had been through.
I really do think the results of this experiment would be mind blowing, either way. If the word could be identified, it would open a door to the possibilities of afterlife that could not ever be closed again.
Equinox, you don't just sit lazily around in Hell or Heaven.
Go back to when only Adam and Eve existed, or to when only 1 billion occupied the world. Now 6.something billion exist. Did Adam and Eve's souls just..split into 6 billion others? That isn't silly?
For most, living is dull, boring, fun at some stage, but gets bland at some point. Would you honestly want to live again, countless times? If it is true that one has no memory of his/her previous life, you return back to my first argument, and to the one previously mentioned by Atrumentis.
I for one would prefer to live an endless amount of times, in and endless amount of places, while never knowing exactly what happened in your previous life. Although I am sure your soul changes based on the events that have taken place in your life, which is why you feel anyway about anything in life today, this to me, is proof the soul exists, along with afterlife, and previous life.
The idea that this is my one and only life, and all that awaits me in the afterlife is heaven or hell, eternally, not only terrifies me, in enrages me.
There is just so many things wrong with that idea, in my mind, I refuse to believe it.
I love the idea of reincarnation, infinite times, in an infinite amount of lives.
Just think about it ... you die here, but are born again in another Universe (or galaxy?), living another life in a completely different society ... be it more advanced, or less advanced than our current one.
It's just a really nice way to look at things. I think all of the religions we have around are just so depressing in some ways. Like how someone was saying that a Muslim doctor who cures Cancer would go to hell because he wasn't Christian. That's messed up no matter what. For an omnipotent, perfect being, God sure would be a petty fellow.
I love the idea of reincarnation, infinite times, in an infinite amount of lives.
Just think about it ... you die here, but are born again in another Universe (or galaxy?), living another life in a completely different society ... be it more advanced, or less advanced than our current one.
That is pretty much exactly what I believe, however I think somehow, possibly by the judgment of some super being, your next life, where ever, or when ever it may be, you get is completely what it should be (you get what you deserve) whether it be bad or good.
So that is to say, whatever your current life, is exactly what it should be, no less , no more. No one is favored in anyway, and only gets what they are meant to in their future lives.
The idea , to me, is just so much more friendly and practical then anything I have heard so far.
That is pretty much exactly what I believe, however I think somehow, possibly by the judgment of some super being, your next life, where ever, or when ever it may be, you get is completely what it should be (you get what you deserve) whether it be bad or good.
So that is to say, whatever your current life, is exactly what it should be, no less , no more. No one is favored in anyway, and only gets what they are meant to in their future lives.
The idea , to me, is just so much more friendly and practical then anything I have heard so far.
A wise judge is deprived of the fundamental attribution error, which is what you have just described. For him, every human is equal.
Bill Gates accomplished a lot. Guess what, he was born in a rich family with a lot of money and access to computers sooner than anyone else.
Some guy who's name you don't know raped some girl and got hit by a car in a drunk accident.
Well, guess what, chances are he's an orphan, he was fucked over by a bunch of women so he got sick over them and wanted to rape one, and his life became so miserable that he just drank booze all the time and died.
It doesn't make sense to me to put one person above the other, instead of simply rerolling them. If the same soul progressively does badly, maybe there is a problem there, but that's not anything we have a clue about.
You know any person in this world who's life has been 100% fair? That's impossible. Life is not fair, and therefore, nobody can be judged on their accomplishments, because those accomplishments are aided or slowed down by situational factors.
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Equinox, you don't just sit lazily around in Hell or Heaven.
What do you do, then? If you don't have an answer for that, it's not any different from mine which I called "tier" - moving to another plane of existence. Which is undefined, and using words such as Heaven or Hell that have a religious connotation is illogical. There is no ground to say they are specifically Heaven and Hell.
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Go back to when only Adam and Eve existed
What the hell? Leave your religious BS with your church, please. The chances of humans starting naturally as 2 people of opposite sex (and don't even get me started on how do you know their names) is very low due to issues with incest. Humans most probably started in packs in Mesopotamian and maybe some other areas, either by creation or evolution, but they weren't 2 people, that makes no sense.
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or to when only 1 billion occupied the world. Now 6.something billion exist. Did Adam and Eve's souls just..split into 6 billion others? That isn't silly?
Is that even relevant? Earth collected from gasses? That isn't silly? We live? That isn't silly? Are you a soul expert that you can say splitting them, creating them, moving them is silly? That's silly. Souls are an indefinite subject, nothing about them can be silly or not silly. In any case, that's not relevant. It's an attempt to explain my theory. And theories about afterlife have more chance to be explained as goals not as possibilities, since afterlife would escape our physical world as we are aware of it.
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For most, living is dull, boring, fun at some stage, but gets bland at some point.
Then why the hell are you alive? Go kill yourself, if life is dull.
Life is dull for some, fun for others, moderate for others again. If you're life is dull, sorry. Better luck next time.
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Would you honestly want to live again, countless times?
Yes. And this way, I have something to look forward to. Rather than looking at my life like it's the last I have, or looking at infants that got killed as never having a chance to live, or at people with really crappy lives as never having a chance for a better one.
Really, I can't care. I won't remember. So how does it matter if I do or don't?
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If it is true that one has no memory of his/her previous life, you return back to my first argument, and to the one previously mentioned by Atrumentis.
We have no physical memory, but soul memory is still possible. And as I've said again, having a memory of your past life would change everything entirely. People would be giant collectors of information, and most probably they'd be disinterested in living in general. It's the same problem as immortality.
Life may not seem fair to you, but to me life is most certainly fair and just. I truly believe that ,
No matter what tragedy or success befalls you, in your life, I think somehow somewhere at some point, you have done something t deserve it.
I believe everyone starts out with a clean slate, but what is added to that slate is completely up to you, and whatever may happen to you in your life is completely as result of the things you have done in past lives.
When people tell me; "life is not fair get used to it" I always smile and think "wow, how naive of them"
No matter what tragedy or success befalls you, in your life, I think somehow somewhere at some point, you have done something t deserve it.
Is there reasoning behind that?
E.g., somehow, when a person does something bad, it is recorded, and later, some force that breaks the laws of physics puts that person in a bad position?
What about people born with genetic mutations? What about those aborted? What about those who died at ages 2 and 3? Or at 24 vs 60?
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I believe everyone starts out with a clean slate
People start with genetics, parents, social position, chance computations.
If you're talking about something before life existed, what exactly is that something?
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but what is added to that slate is completely up to you, and whatever may happen to you in your life is completely as result of the things you have done in past lives.
But how can you be responsible for something you do not remember? You're not that person anymore. And what about people put in the most horrible situations who pull out? People put in the best situations who do not survive? Those two groups are outliers that wouldn't function well with your theory, because by your theory, once a person goes bad, they're put in worser situations, and their bad predisposition (character) will only insinuate the bad situation. While, in reality, it seems some people have a capacity to do well even in a bad situation, and some do bad in a good situation, and some are just in the middle.
The reasoning behind that is, simply, my own belief, nothing more. I am a firm believer that EVERYTHING happens for a reason, infant death , your dog gets hit by a truck, you win the lottery, you are a walleye swimming in lake about to be hooked by a loving family.
I really do believe strongly in Karma. But on a much larger scale than most. To me, somewhere, there is something keeping of track of everything important, you (or your soul or essence) has ever done. Every situation ever conceivable would be instantly understood by whatever is passing judgment, instantaneously!, as it's intelligence consists of everything and anything possible. Infinite intelligence. However, to perpetrate many effects, it may take time, as I believe this is difficult for even (the creator) to animate fair judgment. This is why many bad things happen, I believe. Few Living things have the adequate patience required to resist the temptation to indulge in sin! I believe that some things happen to you trillions of years later that were a result of something you did in your first life. Believing in instant Karma is a little much for me, it is simply asking too much, I think, but that still doesn't explain why the miracles of instant karma that I have witnessed exist! Maybe it is easier to do some things than other for it, (the creator)? I mean I'm sure you do things everyday that even the creator can not predict, the doors will only be unlocked for you, you have to choose the path to take to open them! Only once in my life do I feel I was truly saved (my life) by (something), and to this day I still do. Only once. I believe Things unfold on a scale unimaginable by anyone except the creator. How you (your essence) handles every situation in your life, will determine the outcome of most of the events you experience as well as the events themselves. Some things Do happen logically, some illogically, I believe the major things in my life happen because of some (currently undefinable) super force, and most of the the little things happen as a direct result of, the matter (created) itself, which was in fact fine tuned to support you.
I just find it impossible to believe that I, am only destined and confined to, one living life , on one planet. I much prefer the idea that I do not have control over where my next life will take me, my soul is the possession of the just and fair creator (if their is one), a creator that you can trust, in the long run you WILL get what you deserve, And I guarantee there will be more than a few bumps along the way! Sometimes you might even die early as a result of a combination of planning on a level that is unimaginable/ and the unpredictable course life takes. It just promotes purity and goodness. Which is why I favor it.... It demands goodness, and toughness. For the right reason, not out of fear. (which to me is the wrong reason)
It just suits me, and until I see something that proves me wrong it's what I'll continue to believe. In the end I really would like to know the indefinite answer to, what happens when you die (basically).
I seen a quote tonight, very, very old. "creatio ex nihilo" it means "created from nothing" it is still something that I am sure is impossible. Something must have always been, that to me is the biggest question of all time, something I think the creator (if their is one) may not even know with his infinite knowledge.
So infinite intelligence minus "how was I created"
The question itself is the biggest mindfuck in the world to me, how can something have always been? But at the same time if something has not always been, it makes no sense either...., something had to come from somewhere originally....,You cant create something from nothing! I just refuse to believe it! Even time itself must have started at some point. For that to be true something must have always existed somewhere. But how is that possible?? AHhh??:confused::mad::(
Equinox, you make some good points. When it comes to the topic of death, the living are all pretty much like virgins, none of us really no what to truly expect for the long haul but there are a whole bunch of people trying to come off like they got some action and act as if they know more than the rest of us.
Some have written books to make their case and of course many fall back on the ancient text written by the 2000 year old dead guy who claimed God told him, of course we can't go digging up that man today and get answers and conveniently God isn't talking today because damn it he told the dead guy who wrote it all down.
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Life may not seem fair to you, but to me life is most certainly fair and just. I truly believe that ,
No matter what tragedy or success befalls you, in your life, I think somehow somewhere at some point, you have done something t deserve it.
I believe everyone starts out with a clean slate, but what is added to that slate is completely up to you, and whatever may happen to you in your life is completely as result of the things you have done in past lives.
When people tell me; "life is not fair get used to it" I always smile and think "wow, how naive of them"
-Life is fair, get used to it.
I can think of a lot of unfair crap that happened to good people who never asked for it and never had a chance and never recover. I've seen a lot of unfair stuff happen to people who did nothing wrong. I could fill pages with all kinds of unfair stuff.
There are alot of people who get royally hosed in this world from birth and barely get a break later in life.
I think that what dub Lucifer means is that if for example: you were a bad person in a previous life, that will repercute itself on your current life. Therefore, even if you'r a good person in this current life, a lot of bad things will happen to you. These things would be how you pay for your bad deeds of your other lives.
This would explain why some people live lives that are so sseemingly ''unfair''. If you were a rapist in a past life you could be ressurected as a prostitute or as a woman who will get eventually raped.
This would also explain the circumstances that Equinox is emphasising so much. For example, in a past life you had excellent cognitive abilities but decided to not go to university because you were too lazy. So in this life you have below average cognitive abilties and will have to work extremely hard to get where you want. Not the best of analogies, I know....but you get the point.
Altough, this theory doesn't sound right to me. Can't really tell why tough, it is logically fair if you think about it.
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Could I ask as to what made you have that experience, Vegas?
CyberPunk RP Nexus
For me the question is answered, but personal experience tends to do that. For example one can’t possibly know what it’s like to be electrocuted until they get personally shocked. Hearing, reading, and even seeing it happen to someone else just doesn’t answer the question 'what is it like?'
I for one believe you, and would like to see an experiment like this commence.
Basing this on what you said happened, (and what many others have claimed happened) it would actually be possible to conduct such an experiment. In turn proving, that there is in fact some form of afterlife.
Until I am laid to rest, or until I die and come back, I will never know for sure, yes, but that doesn't stop my brain from itching every time I think of these events.
If even one person was able to identify what was on that screen, it would blow everyone and everything away.
Then thats all you hear about it.. Wheres the follow up story?
Shit like this annoys me. Some people claim to able to have OOBEs on will - yet there has never been one conclusive test done to test the ability to project consciousness...
OR perhaps they have, but the end answer is undesirable so they just dont mention it
It would seem like a relatively simple yet very monumental experiment
@VegasRage
To your story, I can say only this:
"When a person says he saw a miracle that falls outside the laws of nature, it raises a question in our minds. Which is more likely... that something happened outside the laws of nature, or that a man might tell a lie? We have never in our life seen nature break its own laws. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told. There is at least a million to one odds that the reporter of the miracle told a lie."
What you've just said is what deists call "hear-say". A personal revelation that can only remain personal and never be logically shared with others because the amount of lies told on this subject and the psychological errors the brain likes to make, and the fact that I did not experience it.
I explained my concept. If you bother oppose it, can you at least say something argumentative?
Well, I think that thought is silly. I mean, what are you going to do? Just sit there? Humans are creators, they are actors, they can't just sit in joy or sorrow, it's against their very nature. Isn't that the same exact thing I've said? :confused: You forgot one of the main ones (dualism):
3) Consciousness exists outside of the physical plane. The fact that you can't remember your past life is what lets you live your current one... Besides, it's skeptical regarding what we remember. We may not have concrete memory of things, but people, once born, seem to have preset characters already. Where do those come from? Are they nurture, nature, or maybe that soul of the past?
The point of human-to-human reincarnation is not so much for "you", as for the general balance. Of course, as a greedy human, you want to get something out of it, but it's really one of the few ways to make everything fair.
That doesn't make sense. If your theory were true, then wouldn't there be the same number of people on earth at any one given time? Where are all these new souls coming from? And if thats true, then it must suck to be us - caught in a neverending loop. Once you get in, you can't get out. Where were we before we got in?
The same source they came from originally.
Well, it depends. I don't see how any other option is better. And other questions are more relevant to "who made us" than to the question of afterlife. These same questions could be asked of pretty much any theory.
Right you are it can't be shared until that final moment we must all take and why I expect people to be skeptical, as they should be. If it had not happened to me I would be right there being skeptical with everyone else. I would have probably been burned at the stake for saying such stuff 600 years ago, being in league with the devil or something like that. As I was saying earlier to dub Lucifer one can't possibly know what it's like to be electrocuted until they get personally shocked. Hearing, reading, and even seeing it happen to someone else just doesn't answer the question 'what is it like?'
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Ever seen or heard of a rogue animal in the wild? Some animals really are assholes! The same can be said for people...
For example. How would you feel if you saw someone kill an animal, did not let it suffer, used every bit of it's body to the fullest extent, and was grateful, now another person comes along and needlessly tortures and animal, lights its corpse on fire, and pisses on the ashes, and walks off laughing.
Some of you would feel a certain way about both men, some of you may not even be bothered by the second man, while most of you would be outraged, there is no teachings anywhere that can tell you how you are supposed to feel about life, its miracles , and tragedies. But you do feel a certain way, this is evidence of past life and your soul, I think.
I really do believe that you have no concrete memory of your previous life(s) but your soul however, whether it be inside a human , or an antelope , or far away on some distant rock in space , does have a memory, based on what it had been through.
I really do think the results of this experiment would be mind blowing, either way. If the word could be identified, it would open a door to the possibilities of afterlife that could not ever be closed again.
Go back to when only Adam and Eve existed, or to when only 1 billion occupied the world. Now 6.something billion exist. Did Adam and Eve's souls just..split into 6 billion others? That isn't silly?
For most, living is dull, boring, fun at some stage, but gets bland at some point. Would you honestly want to live again, countless times? If it is true that one has no memory of his/her previous life, you return back to my first argument, and to the one previously mentioned by Atrumentis.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
The idea that this is my one and only life, and all that awaits me in the afterlife is heaven or hell, eternally, not only terrifies me, in enrages me.
There is just so many things wrong with that idea, in my mind, I refuse to believe it.
Just think about it ... you die here, but are born again in another Universe (or galaxy?), living another life in a completely different society ... be it more advanced, or less advanced than our current one.
It's just a really nice way to look at things. I think all of the religions we have around are just so depressing in some ways. Like how someone was saying that a Muslim doctor who cures Cancer would go to hell because he wasn't Christian. That's messed up no matter what. For an omnipotent, perfect being, God sure would be a petty fellow.
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That is pretty much exactly what I believe, however I think somehow, possibly by the judgment of some super being, your next life, where ever, or when ever it may be, you get is completely what it should be (you get what you deserve) whether it be bad or good.
So that is to say, whatever your current life, is exactly what it should be, no less , no more. No one is favored in anyway, and only gets what they are meant to in their future lives.
The idea , to me, is just so much more friendly and practical then anything I have heard so far.
Bill Gates accomplished a lot. Guess what, he was born in a rich family with a lot of money and access to computers sooner than anyone else.
Some guy who's name you don't know raped some girl and got hit by a car in a drunk accident.
Well, guess what, chances are he's an orphan, he was fucked over by a bunch of women so he got sick over them and wanted to rape one, and his life became so miserable that he just drank booze all the time and died.
It doesn't make sense to me to put one person above the other, instead of simply rerolling them. If the same soul progressively does badly, maybe there is a problem there, but that's not anything we have a clue about.
You know any person in this world who's life has been 100% fair? That's impossible. Life is not fair, and therefore, nobody can be judged on their accomplishments, because those accomplishments are aided or slowed down by situational factors.
What do you do, then? If you don't have an answer for that, it's not any different from mine which I called "tier" - moving to another plane of existence. Which is undefined, and using words such as Heaven or Hell that have a religious connotation is illogical. There is no ground to say they are specifically Heaven and Hell.
What the hell? Leave your religious BS with your church, please. The chances of humans starting naturally as 2 people of opposite sex (and don't even get me started on how do you know their names) is very low due to issues with incest. Humans most probably started in packs in Mesopotamian and maybe some other areas, either by creation or evolution, but they weren't 2 people, that makes no sense.
Is that even relevant? Earth collected from gasses? That isn't silly? We live? That isn't silly? Are you a soul expert that you can say splitting them, creating them, moving them is silly? That's silly. Souls are an indefinite subject, nothing about them can be silly or not silly. In any case, that's not relevant. It's an attempt to explain my theory. And theories about afterlife have more chance to be explained as goals not as possibilities, since afterlife would escape our physical world as we are aware of it.
Then why the hell are you alive? Go kill yourself, if life is dull.
Life is dull for some, fun for others, moderate for others again. If you're life is dull, sorry. Better luck next time.
Yes. And this way, I have something to look forward to. Rather than looking at my life like it's the last I have, or looking at infants that got killed as never having a chance to live, or at people with really crappy lives as never having a chance for a better one.
Really, I can't care. I won't remember. So how does it matter if I do or don't?
We have no physical memory, but soul memory is still possible. And as I've said again, having a memory of your past life would change everything entirely. People would be giant collectors of information, and most probably they'd be disinterested in living in general. It's the same problem as immortality.
No matter what tragedy or success befalls you, in your life, I think somehow somewhere at some point, you have done something t deserve it.
I believe everyone starts out with a clean slate, but what is added to that slate is completely up to you, and whatever may happen to you in your life is completely as result of the things you have done in past lives.
When people tell me; "life is not fair get used to it" I always smile and think "wow, how naive of them"
-Life is fair, get used to it.
E.g., somehow, when a person does something bad, it is recorded, and later, some force that breaks the laws of physics puts that person in a bad position?
What about people born with genetic mutations? What about those aborted? What about those who died at ages 2 and 3? Or at 24 vs 60?
People start with genetics, parents, social position, chance computations.
If you're talking about something before life existed, what exactly is that something?
But how can you be responsible for something you do not remember? You're not that person anymore. And what about people put in the most horrible situations who pull out? People put in the best situations who do not survive? Those two groups are outliers that wouldn't function well with your theory, because by your theory, once a person goes bad, they're put in worser situations, and their bad predisposition (character) will only insinuate the bad situation. While, in reality, it seems some people have a capacity to do well even in a bad situation, and some do bad in a good situation, and some are just in the middle.
You need to redefine the word "fair".
I really do believe strongly in Karma. But on a much larger scale than most. To me, somewhere, there is something keeping of track of everything important, you (or your soul or essence) has ever done. Every situation ever conceivable would be instantly understood by whatever is passing judgment, instantaneously!, as it's intelligence consists of everything and anything possible. Infinite intelligence. However, to perpetrate many effects, it may take time, as I believe this is difficult for even (the creator) to animate fair judgment. This is why many bad things happen, I believe. Few Living things have the adequate patience required to resist the temptation to indulge in sin! I believe that some things happen to you trillions of years later that were a result of something you did in your first life. Believing in instant Karma is a little much for me, it is simply asking too much, I think, but that still doesn't explain why the miracles of instant karma that I have witnessed exist! Maybe it is easier to do some things than other for it, (the creator)? I mean I'm sure you do things everyday that even the creator can not predict, the doors will only be unlocked for you, you have to choose the path to take to open them! Only once in my life do I feel I was truly saved (my life) by (something), and to this day I still do. Only once. I believe Things unfold on a scale unimaginable by anyone except the creator. How you (your essence) handles every situation in your life, will determine the outcome of most of the events you experience as well as the events themselves. Some things Do happen logically, some illogically, I believe the major things in my life happen because of some (currently undefinable) super force, and most of the the little things happen as a direct result of, the matter (created) itself, which was in fact fine tuned to support you.
I just find it impossible to believe that I, am only destined and confined to, one living life , on one planet. I much prefer the idea that I do not have control over where my next life will take me, my soul is the possession of the just and fair creator (if their is one), a creator that you can trust, in the long run you WILL get what you deserve, And I guarantee there will be more than a few bumps along the way! Sometimes you might even die early as a result of a combination of planning on a level that is unimaginable/ and the unpredictable course life takes. It just promotes purity and goodness. Which is why I favor it.... It demands goodness, and toughness. For the right reason, not out of fear. (which to me is the wrong reason)
It just suits me, and until I see something that proves me wrong it's what I'll continue to believe. In the end I really would like to know the indefinite answer to, what happens when you die (basically).
I seen a quote tonight, very, very old. "creatio ex nihilo" it means "created from nothing" it is still something that I am sure is impossible. Something must have always been, that to me is the biggest question of all time, something I think the creator (if their is one) may not even know with his infinite knowledge.
So infinite intelligence minus "how was I created"
The question itself is the biggest mindfuck in the world to me, how can something have always been? But at the same time if something has not always been, it makes no sense either...., something had to come from somewhere originally....,You cant create something from nothing! I just refuse to believe it! Even time itself must have started at some point. For that to be true something must have always existed somewhere. But how is that possible?? AHhh??:confused::mad::(
Some have written books to make their case and of course many fall back on the ancient text written by the 2000 year old dead guy who claimed God told him, of course we can't go digging up that man today and get answers and conveniently God isn't talking today because damn it he told the dead guy who wrote it all down.
I can think of a lot of unfair crap that happened to good people who never asked for it and never had a chance and never recover. I've seen a lot of unfair stuff happen to people who did nothing wrong. I could fill pages with all kinds of unfair stuff.
There are alot of people who get royally hosed in this world from birth and barely get a break later in life.
This would explain why some people live lives that are so sseemingly ''unfair''. If you were a rapist in a past life you could be ressurected as a prostitute or as a woman who will get eventually raped.
This would also explain the circumstances that Equinox is emphasising so much. For example, in a past life you had excellent cognitive abilities but decided to not go to university because you were too lazy. So in this life you have below average cognitive abilties and will have to work extremely hard to get where you want. Not the best of analogies, I know....but you get the point.
Altough, this theory doesn't sound right to me. Can't really tell why tough, it is logically fair if you think about it.