In light of this crusade against violence in video games, it brings up an interesting point. Should we reform the video game rating system? Should we impose a certain level of legislation on the matter? Should Jack Thompson go fuck himself? Go ahead and share your ideas.
I'm not sure how you'd reform it beyond what it is already. It seems to cover the most significant age demographics that most people agree on. And making it any more stringent that is supposedly is would merely meet way too much resistence among liberals, 1st Amendment advocates, etc.
At least in the U.S. anway. I'm not sure what the rating systems in other countries are and it'd be a shame if someone who's not from the U.S. didn't enlighten us on the ratings systems in their countries.
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the video game rating system is fine. What needs control are the parents. Most dont give a shit what they kid plays as long as it doesnt pester them. Technically u see parents buy Doom, GTA and god knows what else to their 10-12 year old children without caring if the games contain violence for which they children arent ready for. In my eyes the parents are more guilty for their children violent behavior than the games.
As FingolfinGR said, the parents have contol over what their kids play, it's just that they seldom use it.
I know of stupid and idiotic kids that play games really violent games. However, in all cases where the kid is also spoiled and uncaring, they control their parents instead of vice versa. If they want to play, they either scream or threaten their parents until they get what they want.
I played the first GTA when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade. It was fun to blow stuff up, it was fun to mow down people with cars or tanks. But have I ever done anything like that in real life? Heck, I've never even been in a fight.
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But have I ever done anything like that in real life? Heck, I've never even been in a fight.
how much can u know about yourself if you never been in a fight?
(Fight Club ftw )
I've been playing pretty violent games early on myself, only been in a fight once though, and that cause i couldnt avoid it. As mentioned in some other threads too (i think), its more important how a kid is raised than what kind of games it plays.
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for me its the same thing as u Ferret. And the only time i fought i put the other guy down without making him bleed at all. Just showed him who was the boss at that point.
I only fight defensively, really. And any time I have been in a fight, the other dude was never standing. That's that football training at work.
But back on subject. ESRB has come into question because they don't have the resources to thoroughly examine the content of games, making them questionably capable of doing their job. People have cited the Hot Coffee mod as an example of this. People like JT have imposed the idea of a government regulated rating system. Thoughts?
This is similar to the problem with the MPAA. Many filmmakers assert that even though movies are rated based on the MPAA's standards, that the standards are either too high, or the movies aren't even being watched carefully enough to determine what rating it gets. They may even just watch portions of the film and kind of judge for themselves what kind of movie it seems like.
But I suppose I'm a bit confused cause I thought any rating/censorship agency was generally a government agency. Is that not the case?
But I suppose I'm a bit confused cause I thought any rating/censorship agency was generally a government agency. Is that not the case?
The ESRB is a nonprofit organization whose ratings have become a standard for all video games. Jack Thompson wants the ESRB to be taken down and be replaced with a government agency, bundled with some video game legislation. Too much possible corruption if you ask me.
Yeah that will never fly. Even conservatives have been known to lead the fight against a bloated public sector. And creating an entire organization devoted solely to the rating and/or censorship of games and other media would be too difficult to manage. Partly because of idealistic differences between committee members or what constitutes an M-Rated game, and also because it would fall under a lot of scrutiny by members of Congress in regards to First Amendment issues.
Overall, it's simply too idealistic. It just sounds like the wet dream of a neoconservative who wants to tell other people how they should live their lives. And with real issues affecting the U.S. like the war in Iraq, our foreign policy toward Iran and North Korea, healthcare issues, welfare reform, education reform, illegal immigration, etc; these are the real things the majority of people care about. And politicians understand that so they're not going to waste their time on some ideological belief such as Jack Thompson's.
Even if his vision comes to pass, I'll probably be old enough by then to still rent ultra-porn anyway. So it won't really affect me either way.
I seen a 10 year old kid on T.V. who was like 10 times better than me at Halo. I mean... does that make sense? The program basically said that the M rating on it didn't matter since they were admiring this kid.
From a personal experience my little brother when he was about 5 we (his older brothers) let him play Halo, and he was pretty good. Then my mom saw the game content and he hasn't played since. I think Fingolfin said something about how they can make laws, but the minor's parents would have to enforce it for them to mean anything.
Overall, it's simply too idealistic. It just sounds like the wet dream of a neoconservative who wants to tell other people how they should live their lives.
And we have a term for those kind of people. They're called communists.
And we have a term for those kind of people. They're called communists.
LOL! Well, I've certainly never been aligned in ideology with neocons, but I've never really considered them to be communists. But they would certainly share that in common with them, wanting to control your day to day life.
I fail to see how a government-controlled agency would do a better job at rating than ESRB. In all likelyhood, the bureocratic processes that would eventually become necessary would lead to games slowing down. Then there'd be cases in court or all sorts of violations of rights, due process and whatever.
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Yeah. And you can even just look at how difficult it is to get a book banned these days. Many people are so used to freedom these days that if they detect a minor infraction on that freedom they'll immediately react and fight it to the bitter end. There is constantly this debate over what we should be protected from and whether or not those protections will clash with our freedoms.
As Nixon's head once said, "We enjoy so many freedoms on this planet, it's sickening!"
At least in the U.S. anway. I'm not sure what the rating systems in other countries are and it'd be a shame if someone who's not from the U.S. didn't enlighten us on the ratings systems in their countries.
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I know of stupid and idiotic kids that play games really violent games. However, in all cases where the kid is also spoiled and uncaring, they control their parents instead of vice versa. If they want to play, they either scream or threaten their parents until they get what they want.
I played the first GTA when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade. It was fun to blow stuff up, it was fun to mow down people with cars or tanks. But have I ever done anything like that in real life? Heck, I've never even been in a fight.
how much can u know about yourself if you never been in a fight?
(Fight Club ftw )
I've been playing pretty violent games early on myself, only been in a fight once though, and that cause i couldnt avoid it. As mentioned in some other threads too (i think), its more important how a kid is raised than what kind of games it plays.
But back on subject. ESRB has come into question because they don't have the resources to thoroughly examine the content of games, making them questionably capable of doing their job. People have cited the Hot Coffee mod as an example of this. People like JT have imposed the idea of a government regulated rating system. Thoughts?
But I suppose I'm a bit confused cause I thought any rating/censorship agency was generally a government agency. Is that not the case?
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Thats a great idea he should :thumbsup:
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The ESRB is a nonprofit organization whose ratings have become a standard for all video games. Jack Thompson wants the ESRB to be taken down and be replaced with a government agency, bundled with some video game legislation. Too much possible corruption if you ask me.
Overall, it's simply too idealistic. It just sounds like the wet dream of a neoconservative who wants to tell other people how they should live their lives. And with real issues affecting the U.S. like the war in Iraq, our foreign policy toward Iran and North Korea, healthcare issues, welfare reform, education reform, illegal immigration, etc; these are the real things the majority of people care about. And politicians understand that so they're not going to waste their time on some ideological belief such as Jack Thompson's.
Even if his vision comes to pass, I'll probably be old enough by then to still rent ultra-porn anyway. So it won't really affect me either way.
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From a personal experience my little brother when he was about 5 we (his older brothers) let him play Halo, and he was pretty good. Then my mom saw the game content and he hasn't played since. I think Fingolfin said something about how they can make laws, but the minor's parents would have to enforce it for them to mean anything.
And we have a term for those kind of people. They're called communists.
LOL! Well, I've certainly never been aligned in ideology with neocons, but I've never really considered them to be communists. But they would certainly share that in common with them, wanting to control your day to day life.
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As Nixon's head once said, "We enjoy so many freedoms on this planet, it's sickening!"
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