It seems everybody is heading in the right direction concerning survival but umm... how to put this lightly...
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL GONNA DO WHEN YOUR AMMUNITION RUNS OUT??!!?
Die, most likely.
Also, to put this lightly...
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE NEITHER THE SKILLS NOR THE PHYSICAL PROWESS TO EFFECTIVELY KICK ASS WITH A MELEE WEAPON??!!?
Melee weapons are supreme here as you don't have ammo. What are you gonna do with the rifle you have when no ammunition is around, smash them in the face with it? I'm sorry to tell you but that won't work.
This is assuming you actually know how to use them, well.
Of course, this is assuming that the person using said melee weapons has not had formal training. I say formal because you can't really get informal experience with melee weapons n' such, how often does a street fight break out, and you have two swords with you? Not often.
Knowledge gained from video games will not help you when the muscles on your arms have wasted away to nothing from lack of activity, and your cardiovascular endurance is next to nothing due to sitting at a computer all day. See the problems with a melee weapon?
If one is going to use them, one actually has to be physically fit. This is in contrast to a gun, which requires a minimum (when compared to melee weapons) oh physical strength or endurance.
Here is what I would do in a situation like this. Now remember, always assume nobody is out there looking for you. Having guns is good as it will kill them off at a distance, but you would need some back up weapons once supplies run out for the guns. I would use my ancient weapons collection to protect myself. a couple swords on my left hip, daggers on my chest, longbow with a quiver of arrows on my back and my Scythe in my hands.
Correction, your imitation ancient weapons collection, which is no doubt poorly made. Don't mean to sound like a troll, but that shit isn't exactly top of the line if you've gotten it off Ebay. Of course, this is assuming you bought them from some modern day weapons dealer and not a dude who actually knows his shit, so of course I could be wrong. Either way, sword or whatever you buy probably won't be the same quality they were years ago.
Also, refer to the above response for physical strength and endurance.
Not to mention, what does one do when they run out of arrows, or when their weapons break, even IF they manage to go toe to toe with a horde of zombies?
It's not like they're going to stand there and let you murder them, they're going to fight back, and a scythe is NOT the weapon to do it with. As soon as they move in past the range of the scythe, you won't be able to do shit with it since the bladed edge will be nowhere near them. This gives them time to maul you while you grab for your sword or dagger or whatever it is you choose to use. Once more, melee combat is only viable if you actually know HOW to do it, and if you've got the physical prowess to back it up.
Not to mention your sword isn't going to cleave through them like butter, it's no doubt going to stop once you hit the vertebrae, leaving you with one less weapon, and a window of time for shit to eat your face while you struggle to yank it free of their flesh. Once more, unless you have the physical prowess to actually cleave heads off or break bone, melee weapons will do little more than throw you into a meat grinder.
And daggers? Really?
What good is a foot long blade going to do you, when they're TRYING to get close to you? Unless you can parry and dodge the fuck out of every blow they throw at you (refer to the section on physical prowess and skill), you're going to get injured at some point, and unless you know how to properly clean and bandage wounds, you're going to slowly weaken. This is assuming of course, that the zombie virus is not transmitted by wounds. If it is, you're fucked as soon as they even scrape you.
Once more, if you're wading into a crowd with a farm implement and some kitchen knives, you're putting yourself in absurd amounts of danger.
Granted, it's a last resort option, but at the same time, it's dangerous to assume you can take a horde of zombies with melee weapons and not suffer infection.
Best case scenario: I would barricade myself in a Cabella's (outdoor store full of hunting, fishing and other supplies.) I would then take stock of the situation and make an inventory list so I know what I have and what I don't have. Sitting it out isn't the best option in any scenario as you will run out of something essential. I would put together something that I can use to take everything I need and leave before the crowd of zombies outside exceed more than 50. I would find a vehicle and drive to a remote place and basically live the rest of my life in complete solitude.
This is assuming nobody else is going to get there first, don't you think every other person in town is going to say "Haaaay, that place has guns, ammunition, and hunting supplies, that would be a dandy place to live!". Of course, this doesn't mean you should disregard locations such as these, but realistically almost every other person will be going there, at least every other person with common sense will be going there.
Worst case scenario: I would go out, after I strapped a powerful bomb on me, and kill as many as possible, and before I die, I blow my body and what ever else around me to kingdom come.
You have powerful bombs laying around the house?
If I had full access to a complete garage, weapons store, and other stuff like gas. Then I will take a vehicle and go out Twisted Metal style. Hopefully the vehicle I can use is an ice cream truck.
Once more, this is assuming you actually know how to weld, how to service a vehicle, how to drive well, et cetera. Unless one has the skills to actually make use of a complete garage, it will not do them much good. And, like the hunting supplies store, you won't be the only one with this idea. Others will no doubt loot it while you're taking inventory of your supplies.
Some key points to remember:
1: Stay the hell away from zombies as much as possible.
2: Don't bother looking for survivors, chances are they are already dead once you find them, surrounded by a horde of zombies, or those crazy people like the small group with the dogs in Resident Evil: Extinction.
3: The most important tool is your mind, think things through before doing them.
4: Don't bother making a plan on how to kill off every zombie in your area as chances are... your plan will just burn up.
5: Don't completely rely on guns, because of the ammo issue and the possibility of it jamming. This isn't Resident Evil 4, your Typewriter Machine gun doesn't have infinite bullets and you don't look cool popping zombies in a gangster costume. Only Leon can pull that off.
6: If you have a group helping you, don't turn on them. They will feed you to the zombies.
Any more questions?
Do you have any real life experience with zombies?
.... No?
Whew, feel better now.
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"One in every 10 million people can potentially have a headache from this pill." God forbid she is the 0.000000001% of having a headache.
You just gotten me riled up. But I'm gonna act civilized and cool off in my training room after I read over other threads/forums. By the way, I only spend about 2-3 hours on the computer a day and only about 5 of the 7 days outta the week. I did my research and know where to get quality stuff. BTW I won't be using my antiques, only the weapons that were used for the purpose of killing things. And to answer your question about the bombs, I know how to make them, and I know where I can get them.
Yes, there are factors that we don't know about when it comes to zombies, or if they will be smart or not. I would be surprised if there were zombies out there that would know how to use firearms and cunning to get at their food source, us. So, cool it, we are just discussing things here. I didn't see you blow up in the previous thread a while back.
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That wasn't blowing up at all, I'm pointing out holes in your plan :/.
edit: Mmmkay... edited it to seem less like I was personally attacking you, using "you" to refer to anyone using this plan as well was probably not the best idea.
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"One in every 10 million people can potentially have a headache from this pill." God forbid she is the 0.000000001% of having a headache.
Or just a water purifier, but that might not account for viral agents, depending on the technology, and would require power. Meh. Although, the desert would be perfect for solar power. The glare reflecting off of a solar panel could catch the eye of a travelling zombie, though.
Are we assuming this would only affect humans? What about birds? x.X
We would have to assume that this would affect humans, and any species with similar genetic makeup to humans, including but not limited to: mice, rats, and chimpanzees. However, sense most people can agree that it would be a viral disease that would cause zombies, it would be fine to eat them once they were cooked at a very hot tempeture.
And you have another point, once the water was boiling for 20 minutes, any viruses or bacteria would be destroyed.
So it is agreed, if zombies attack, all survivors meet in Egypt.
Go upstairs with as many tools that can be weapons. Keep a large reserve of canned food. Fill bathtub up for water. Destroy stairs so zombies can't get up. Wait until help arrives or supplies run out.
BTW what is the shelf life of zombies. I mean, once everyone is a zombie, there is nobody left to eat. How long can a zombie survive without eating?
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Perhaps, but let's assume the virus is similar to the one Jetrall proposed. (Hightened metabolism, and lowered inhibitions, plus a douse of rage to top it all off).
What's going to stop the Zombies from turning on each other even BEFORE they run out of food? It's not like they develop some form of brotherhood, they will be food to each other. Fuck, Alligators will eat babies of other Alligators if food is scarce enough, so what is stopping a zombie with lowered brain activity, lowered inhibitions, and heightened fight response from eating another zombie when they can't put food on the table for the family?
Not much, really.
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"One in every 10 million people can potentially have a headache from this pill." God forbid she is the 0.000000001% of having a headache.
Perhaps, but let's assume the virus is similar to the one Jetrall proposed. (Hightened metabolism, and lowered inhibitions, plus a douse of rage to top it all off).
What's going to stop the Zombies from turning on each other even BEFORE they run out of food? It's not like they develop some form of brotherhood, they will be food to each other. Fuck, Alligators will eat babies of other Alligators if food is scarce enough, so what is stopping a zombie with lowered brain activity, lowered inhibitions, and heightened fight response from eating another zombie when they can't put food on the table for the family?
Not much, really.
Well, the last thing a Virus wants to do is kill more of the same kind of virus, so while it is possible that it may happen in one or two cases, it is doubtful.
However, I see the virus killing the host then taking control of the brain itself, which leads to a lot more fearful outcomes.
I have quite a lot of experience with zombies. I have to admit, it's damn hard to avoid becoming one. I might be heading towards a gloomy end however, but I still have some fight in me.
Oh also, zombies are rarely aggressive but the nasty ones tend to get very nasty.
And Venom, I kind of feel sad for you- I don't mean anything sarcastic or disrespectful, but have you like...been seriously considering what to do in a zombie apocalypse...?
Well, the last thing a Virus wants to do is kill more of the same kind of virus, so while it is possible that it may happen in one or two cases, it is doubtful.
That's... a very good point.
Though, it all depends on what the virus is doing. If it just heightens aggression/metabolism and lowers inhibitions, then the zombies have no way of being all "Hay! He's a similar virus, let's be friends!" To each other, they'll just be a source of food.
Unless...
However, I see the virus killing the host then taking control of the brain itself, which leads to a lot more fearful outcomes.
...that happens :(.
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"One in every 10 million people can potentially have a headache from this pill." God forbid she is the 0.000000001% of having a headache.
Viruses can't take control of a persons mind and effectively communicate with other virus controlled humans.
This is where we can learn a bit about parasitic takeover from a game called Resident Evil 4. If anybody bothers to read the notes written from Luis (I think thats how his name is spelled), he goes over three parasites that effectively alter the minds of animals to get into their target animal. There are other files that speak of what is to happen once the Los Illuminados controls the world. So if there were to be living humans attacking others viciously and using some complex weapons also, I think we would all agree that they would be "zombies" controlled by parasites. These parasites can control other living organisms and can communicate without the species barrier of their hosts. Once I get back on my game on RE4, I'll look over the notes and provide a more in depth analysis as to what could be expected from parasitic takeover.
The part where the parasites get large enough to basically replace the head entirely, I don't think is a possibility.
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And if you read the notes in Dragon Age Origins, it says that Blood Magic is evil.
Citing video games as a credible source is just... wrong.
Just sayin'.
But anywho, yes, there are actually parasites out there that can an animals behavior. The same goes with viruses, though they're on a much different scale (making cells produce copies of the virus inside of themselves), so it's not exactly a control type scenario. As for the parasites, it's quite similar to the virus, usually the parasite hijacks the animal to produce offspring in some way. Happens with wasps taking over spiders, and a fungus taking over rats (T.Gondii, or something like that).
Affects have been observed in humans, and all it really does is slow reaction times and sometimes leads to Schizophrenia. It's been speculated that it will make men more aggressive, but there isn't any proof to back it up thus far.
edit: And yar, I also really doubt a parasite could replace a persons head. As this would make the parasite responsible for controlling heart rate, air intake, and basically everything your body needs to do to survive. If it could somehow link up to the nervous system then this COULD be a possibility if the thing could function as a brain. But, that would be damn near impossible, since such a virus would have to evolve alongside humans for a hell of a long time (or whatever animal if affected) to be able to do such a thing.
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"One in every 10 million people can potentially have a headache from this pill." God forbid she is the 0.000000001% of having a headache.
Viruses can't take control of a persons mind and effectively communicate with other virus controlled humans.
No, but Viruses can make a brain make the body do things, like emit some pheromone that would give other zombies knowledge ahead of time that this one is friendly.
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The part where the parasites get large enough to basically replace the head entirely, I don't think is a possibility.
Oh, it is a possibility, but the probability is next to nothing.
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Citing video games as a credible source is just... wrong.
I love fruit cake, so I'd probably eat your protection.
Sorry in beforehand.
i fear you more than the undead then. at least they have enough sense to not eat fruitcake.
id probably bunker up in a chemical warehouse or something. if you know what youre doing you can take out an army of zombies before you starve and drink poison to kill yourself.
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Die, most likely.
Also, to put this lightly...
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE NEITHER THE SKILLS NOR THE PHYSICAL PROWESS TO EFFECTIVELY KICK ASS WITH A MELEE WEAPON??!!?
This is assuming you actually know how to use them, well.
Of course, this is assuming that the person using said melee weapons has not had formal training. I say formal because you can't really get informal experience with melee weapons n' such, how often does a street fight break out, and you have two swords with you? Not often.
Knowledge gained from video games will not help you when the muscles on your arms have wasted away to nothing from lack of activity, and your cardiovascular endurance is next to nothing due to sitting at a computer all day. See the problems with a melee weapon?
If one is going to use them, one actually has to be physically fit. This is in contrast to a gun, which requires a minimum (when compared to melee weapons) oh physical strength or endurance.
Correction, your imitation ancient weapons collection, which is no doubt poorly made. Don't mean to sound like a troll, but that shit isn't exactly top of the line if you've gotten it off Ebay. Of course, this is assuming you bought them from some modern day weapons dealer and not a dude who actually knows his shit, so of course I could be wrong. Either way, sword or whatever you buy probably won't be the same quality they were years ago.
Also, refer to the above response for physical strength and endurance.
Not to mention, what does one do when they run out of arrows, or when their weapons break, even IF they manage to go toe to toe with a horde of zombies?
It's not like they're going to stand there and let you murder them, they're going to fight back, and a scythe is NOT the weapon to do it with. As soon as they move in past the range of the scythe, you won't be able to do shit with it since the bladed edge will be nowhere near them. This gives them time to maul you while you grab for your sword or dagger or whatever it is you choose to use. Once more, melee combat is only viable if you actually know HOW to do it, and if you've got the physical prowess to back it up.
Not to mention your sword isn't going to cleave through them like butter, it's no doubt going to stop once you hit the vertebrae, leaving you with one less weapon, and a window of time for shit to eat your face while you struggle to yank it free of their flesh. Once more, unless you have the physical prowess to actually cleave heads off or break bone, melee weapons will do little more than throw you into a meat grinder.
And daggers? Really?
What good is a foot long blade going to do you, when they're TRYING to get close to you? Unless you can parry and dodge the fuck out of every blow they throw at you (refer to the section on physical prowess and skill), you're going to get injured at some point, and unless you know how to properly clean and bandage wounds, you're going to slowly weaken. This is assuming of course, that the zombie virus is not transmitted by wounds. If it is, you're fucked as soon as they even scrape you.
Once more, if you're wading into a crowd with a farm implement and some kitchen knives, you're putting yourself in absurd amounts of danger.
Granted, it's a last resort option, but at the same time, it's dangerous to assume you can take a horde of zombies with melee weapons and not suffer infection.
This is assuming nobody else is going to get there first, don't you think every other person in town is going to say "Haaaay, that place has guns, ammunition, and hunting supplies, that would be a dandy place to live!". Of course, this doesn't mean you should disregard locations such as these, but realistically almost every other person will be going there, at least every other person with common sense will be going there.
You have powerful bombs laying around the house?
Once more, this is assuming you actually know how to weld, how to service a vehicle, how to drive well, et cetera. Unless one has the skills to actually make use of a complete garage, it will not do them much good. And, like the hunting supplies store, you won't be the only one with this idea. Others will no doubt loot it while you're taking inventory of your supplies.
Do you have any real life experience with zombies?
.... No?
Whew, feel better now.
Yes, there are factors that we don't know about when it comes to zombies, or if they will be smart or not. I would be surprised if there were zombies out there that would know how to use firearms and cunning to get at their food source, us. So, cool it, we are just discussing things here. I didn't see you blow up in the previous thread a while back.
edit: Mmmkay... edited it to seem less like I was personally attacking you, using "you" to refer to anyone using this plan as well was probably not the best idea.
We would have to assume that this would affect humans, and any species with similar genetic makeup to humans, including but not limited to: mice, rats, and chimpanzees. However, sense most people can agree that it would be a viral disease that would cause zombies, it would be fine to eat them once they were cooked at a very hot tempeture.
And you have another point, once the water was boiling for 20 minutes, any viruses or bacteria would be destroyed.
So it is agreed, if zombies attack, all survivors meet in Egypt.
BTW what is the shelf life of zombies. I mean, once everyone is a zombie, there is nobody left to eat. How long can a zombie survive without eating?
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People will (sometimes) resort to cannibalism in times of desperation, so I don't see why it would be any different for a zombie.
It would depend on the virus that caused the zombie outbreak.
What's going to stop the Zombies from turning on each other even BEFORE they run out of food? It's not like they develop some form of brotherhood, they will be food to each other. Fuck, Alligators will eat babies of other Alligators if food is scarce enough, so what is stopping a zombie with lowered brain activity, lowered inhibitions, and heightened fight response from eating another zombie when they can't put food on the table for the family?
Not much, really.
Well, the last thing a Virus wants to do is kill more of the same kind of virus, so while it is possible that it may happen in one or two cases, it is doubtful.
However, I see the virus killing the host then taking control of the brain itself, which leads to a lot more fearful outcomes.
Oh also, zombies are rarely aggressive but the nasty ones tend to get very nasty.
And Venom, I kind of feel sad for you- I don't mean anything sarcastic or disrespectful, but have you like...been seriously considering what to do in a zombie apocalypse...?
The world is strange.
Anyway let's cheer up. Another movie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-cIjPOJdFM
That's... a very good point.
Though, it all depends on what the virus is doing. If it just heightens aggression/metabolism and lowers inhibitions, then the zombies have no way of being all "Hay! He's a similar virus, let's be friends!" To each other, they'll just be a source of food.
Unless...
...that happens :(.
This is where we can learn a bit about parasitic takeover from a game called Resident Evil 4. If anybody bothers to read the notes written from Luis (I think thats how his name is spelled), he goes over three parasites that effectively alter the minds of animals to get into their target animal. There are other files that speak of what is to happen once the Los Illuminados controls the world. So if there were to be living humans attacking others viciously and using some complex weapons also, I think we would all agree that they would be "zombies" controlled by parasites. These parasites can control other living organisms and can communicate without the species barrier of their hosts. Once I get back on my game on RE4, I'll look over the notes and provide a more in depth analysis as to what could be expected from parasitic takeover.
The part where the parasites get large enough to basically replace the head entirely, I don't think is a possibility.
Citing video games as a credible source is just... wrong.
Just sayin'.
But anywho, yes, there are actually parasites out there that can an animals behavior. The same goes with viruses, though they're on a much different scale (making cells produce copies of the virus inside of themselves), so it's not exactly a control type scenario. As for the parasites, it's quite similar to the virus, usually the parasite hijacks the animal to produce offspring in some way. Happens with wasps taking over spiders, and a fungus taking over rats (T.Gondii, or something like that).
Affects have been observed in humans, and all it really does is slow reaction times and sometimes leads to Schizophrenia. It's been speculated that it will make men more aggressive, but there isn't any proof to back it up thus far.
edit: And yar, I also really doubt a parasite could replace a persons head. As this would make the parasite responsible for controlling heart rate, air intake, and basically everything your body needs to do to survive. If it could somehow link up to the nervous system then this COULD be a possibility if the thing could function as a brain. But, that would be damn near impossible, since such a virus would have to evolve alongside humans for a hell of a long time (or whatever animal if affected) to be able to do such a thing.
No, but Viruses can make a brain make the body do things, like emit some pheromone that would give other zombies knowledge ahead of time that this one is friendly.
Oh, it is a possibility, but the probability is next to nothing.
You never played Age of Empires 2, did you?
edit: there was a zombie thread before this. waht?????? :wacko:
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Yea, I originally thought this was the first zombie thread. Lol.
And there is an idea, make a bunker made of fruit cake! Or wall your city with fruit cake, they will never enter your city!
id probably bunker up in a chemical warehouse or something. if you know what youre doing you can take out an army of zombies before you starve and drink poison to kill yourself.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
If you can attach your swords to chains and actually manage to kill shit with it, then props to you.
But, video game possibilities aside, I doubt it would be a viable weapon at all.
Soon as one of them grabs the chain, or as soon as the chain wraps around something, there goes your weapon.