After saying those words to Dave, the man who brought us our passion, you will never be widely accepted, Jay. Your PR excuses cannot hide your aggressive hateful nature.
oh shut up.. while what brevik said sounded professional, it was a HUGE insult to the entire team.
jays response was no doubt unprofessional.. but heres an idea, you go put your heart and soul into something that means the world to you for 4 years, then when it's not doing so hot some other guy basically says your team is incompetent and didn't have a chance because all the talent left..
see how you react.
god people are retarded.
what he said was unprofessional, but was human, and he apologized as he should have.
water under the bridge, grow up.
For someone who is very bad at reading between the lines, you're sure insisting that others do it so well.
1. Dave was ASKED how he felt. And if you watched the interview at all you should be able to tell that the interviewer was trying VERY hard to get him to be a lot nastier. So yes, Dave was honest and yet professional, no other way to see that.
2. Jay reacted like a small child. Not exactly the type of personality that should be in his position in the first place. Human or not, when you're the game director of a franchise as popular as Diablo, working for a company as prolific as Blizzard, you should have a better temperament than that, or be smarter, but probably both.
3. His "heartfelt" "apology" was, I can guarantee you, a direct result of Mike Morhaime, or some other Blizzard higher-up, dragging Jay's ass into his office and saying "Look dude, you fucked up, go fix this and save some face", which he then tried to do. I.e. he only said those things because it's now plastered all over the internet.
After saying those words to Dave, the man who brought us our passion, you will never be widely accepted, Jay. Your PR excuses cannot hide your aggressive hateful nature.
oh shut up.. while what brevik said sounded professional, it was a HUGE insult to the entire team.
jays response was no doubt unprofessional.. but heres an idea, you go put your heart and soul into something that means the world to you for 4 years, then when it's not doing so hot some other guy basically says your team is incompetent and didn't have a chance because all the talent left..
see how you react.
god people are retarded.
what he said was unprofessional, but was human, and he apologized as he should have.
water under the bridge, grow up.
For someone who is very bad at reading between the lines, you're sure insisting that others do it so well.
1. Dave was ASKED how he felt. And if you watched the interview at all you should be able to tell that the interviewer was trying VERY hard to get him to be a lot nastier. So yes, Dave was honest and yet professional, no other way to see that.
2. Jay reacted like a small child. Not exactly the type of personality that should be in his position in the first place. Human or not, when you're the game director of a franchise as popular as Diablo, working for a company as prolific as Blizzard, you should have a better temperament than that, or be smarter, but probably both.
3. His "heartfelt" "apology" was, I can guarantee you, a direct result of Mike Morhaime, or some other Blizzard higher-up, dragging Jay's ass into his office and saying "Look dude, you fucked up, go fix this and save some face", which he then tried to do. I.e. he only said those things because it's now plastered all over the internet.
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Jay Wilson wouldn't even have a job right now if it weren't for the above ^^
This is a discussion about professionalism, not titles associated with their name.
Bad job trying to turn the topic elsewhere.
All jokes aside, Jay has a very fat looking face. His chin looks almost like an oversized zit.
Now, on a lighter note, he doesn't pay my bills, so I could give 3 shits what he says/does. He gave me a game I like to play, and that's all I care about.
"Besides, I've been called worse on the basketball court." - Barak Obama
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Jay Wilson wouldn't even have a job right now if it weren't for the above ^^
This is a discussion about professionalism, not titles associated with their name.
Bad job trying to turn the topic elsewhere.
Last time I checked, David wanted to make a claymation turn based game, and needed Morhime and Co. to make it into the games they were.
Wilson worked on DOW and COH before D3, both games were fantastic successes.
David without Blizz backing made one of the biggest flops in gaming history (as in, an ACTUAL flop, not an imagined flop, it actually closed his studio down it flopped so bad.)
Again, so Jay spouted off a bit to much, get a life, get over it.
He is a GAME DEVELOPER, not a politician, not a public figure, just a dude who makes games.
Get your head on straight.
I could name a dozen big name producers/developers/etc that have a faaaaaaaaaaar longer list of "unprofessional" statements then what Jay has said.
Yet those are tiny little blips on the radar, because Blizzard fans are a writhing mass of garbage, and cling to anything they can hound on endlessly, the lack of any sort of glimmering hope of a life is all but snuffed by these mongrels.
There's no real reason to take this personal guys, lets not forget these are just strangers on the internet, i doubt any of us are personal friends.
The interview definitely seems like it was aimed at coaxing negative feedback out of Brevik.
In my opinion though you can't take the all of the positives of D1 and D2 and attribute them to Brevik, just like you can't take all the negatives of D3 and attribute them to Wilson. If Brevik had worked on the game alone who knows if we would have ever gotten a D2 at all. Whole teams worked on all games. Some of the team from Blizzard North went on to become more successful like Max Schaefer and his team, they've shown they have a good grasp at what it takes to make a good ARPG.
There's no real reason to take this personal guys, lets not forget these are just strangers on the internet, i doubt any of us are personal friends.
The interview definitely seems like it was aimed at coaxing negative feedback out of Brevik.
In my opinion though you can't take the all of the positives of D1 and D2 and attribute them to Brevik, just like you can't take all the negatives of D3 and attribute them to Wilson. If Brevik had worked on the game alone who knows if we would have ever gotten a D2 at all. Whole teams worked on all games. Some of the team from Blizzard North went on to become more successful like Max Schaefer and his team, they've shown they have a good grasp at what it takes to make a good ARPG.
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Pretty sure Bill Roper was also? After Hellgate not doing well and Mythos being sold off before it was even finished that's when Schaefer branched out more by himself I think with Matt Uelmen on board to do music.
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Pretty sure Bill Roper was also? After Hellgate not doing well and Mythos being sold off before it was even finished that's when Schaefer branched out more by himself I think with Matt Uelmen on board to do music.
Bill went back to Cryptic on his own. (right after Hellgate)
And then he went to China for like, 4-5 years as a "special speaker".
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Pretty sure Bill Roper was also? After Hellgate not doing well and Mythos being sold off before it was even finished that's when Schaefer branched out more by himself I think with Matt Uelmen on board to do music.
Bill went back to Cryptic on his own. (right after Hellgate)
And then he went to China for like, 4-5 years as a "special speaker".
And then he went into Radio.
*shrugs
And now he's going to be VP of Marvel's games. Which is just sad.
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Pretty sure Bill Roper was also? After Hellgate not doing well and Mythos being sold off before it was even finished that's when Schaefer branched out more by himself I think with Matt Uelmen on board to do music.
Bill went back to Cryptic on his own. (right after Hellgate)
And then he went to China for like, 4-5 years as a "special speaker".
And then he went into Radio.
*shrugs
And now he's going to be VP of Marvel's games. Which is just sad.
Who knows, Marvel has had some hits, and some misses, all depends on who the dev house is behind them.
Im a comic nerd, so I always hold out hope that a Marvel/DC game will be great. (yup, even Breviks)
He did so off clock hours and on facebook away from anything related to blizzard. How does that link in with the company? Is he NEVER allowed to express his opinion? Grow a pair and stop acting butthurt as if that comment affected you in any way. Bunch of pansies.
Clearly you have no idea how professional business is conducted. Most companies will have some form of social media clause in employee contracts as well as employee handbooks. They have them for a REASON. See Jay Wilson fiasco for an example why.
It doesn't matter if it's off the clock. What matters is that he is a public figure for a very large and well known company. His actions & his words publicly reflect on the company that employs him. It comes with the job.
Freedom of speech isn't a free pass to be a douche bag.
I was hoping he'd defend what he said with something along the lines of, "He was being a jerk and I said so. How are Torchlight's sales going, big guy? As good as our horribly flawed game? Yeah...didn't think so."
I think this country (in particular) needs to stop being so fucking apologetic. Dude shot his mouth off about DIablo 3 and the Diablo 3 team put it up his ass. None of them should be sorry for what they said. You can't expect to throw a punch and then another and then another and not eventually expect a reprisal.
I don't have any personal feelings about Jay Wilson at all, but give the dude a fucking break. If somebody's running off at the mouth out of sour grapes, he needs to be told to shut the hell up. Good on you, Jay.
I was hoping he'd defend what he said with something along the lines of, "He was being a jerk and I said so. How are Torchlight's sales going, big guy? As good as our horribly flawed game? Yeah...didn't think so."
I think this country (in particular) needs to stop being so fucking apologetic. Dude shot his mouth off about DIablo 3 and the Diablo 3 team put it up his ass. None of them should be sorry for what they said. You can't expect to throw a punch and then another and then another and not eventually expect a reprisal.
I don't have any personal feelings about Jay Wilson at all, but give the dude a fucking break. If somebody's running off at the mouth out of sour grapes, he needs to be told to shut the hell up. Good on you, Jay.
I find it amazing that people are defending Jay Wilson with the arguments that they are making. Sure he may be a normal guy on his days off, but he has a responsibility to his position and his fans to keep his cool. Dave told it like it is. He was civil about it but hell I'm an honest guy too, I'd say the same thing. I'd rather have people say what's on their mind than live in this westernize society where people are all facetious and pretending to be nice. Who wouldn't? Oh that's right, people who prefer Lah Lah land.
To the person saying that the average age of players on the forums is 27, that's a bullshit number. I mean seriously what 12 year old would admit they're actually 12 years old. Yes there are a lot of immature adults as well and there are also a lot of rational adults to boot. So who the hell cares? Why does it even matter for you to claim that complainers are childish adults? You think their opinions are invalid because they are immature? In all honesty, you need to check yourself. Maybe take a step back and look at what you're saying and ask yourself whether you're doing the same thing. It bugs me when people throw out "facts" and make other people feel stupid especially when they are arguing for something just as stupid. (sigh) Hate breeds hate, guess this is true in this case.
My 2 cents and only post.
Edit: To the people talking crap about hellgate and mythos. They were innovatively conceived games with cult followings. They may have not been widely popular or even successful, but they were appreciated by hardcore gamers. Simply saying hellgate and mythos were bad games is just ignorant. Just like how saying D3 is bad game is also ignorant. D3 is a fine stand alone game with great appeal. It just shouldn't be called Diablo 3.
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For someone who is very bad at reading between the lines, you're sure insisting that others do it so well.
1. Dave was ASKED how he felt. And if you watched the interview at all you should be able to tell that the interviewer was trying VERY hard to get him to be a lot nastier. So yes, Dave was honest and yet professional, no other way to see that.
2. Jay reacted like a small child. Not exactly the type of personality that should be in his position in the first place. Human or not, when you're the game director of a franchise as popular as Diablo, working for a company as prolific as Blizzard, you should have a better temperament than that, or be smarter, but probably both.
3. His "heartfelt" "apology" was, I can guarantee you, a direct result of Mike Morhaime, or some other Blizzard higher-up, dragging Jay's ass into his office and saying "Look dude, you fucked up, go fix this and save some face", which he then tried to do. I.e. he only said those things because it's now plastered all over the internet.
Conclusion: David Brevik - 1 Jay Wilson - 0
You grow up.
Hellgate: London
David Brevik - 1 Jay Wilson -1
How short the memories of gamers really are.
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Jay Wilson wouldn't even have a job right now if it weren't for the above ^^
This is a discussion about professionalism, not titles associated with their name.
Bad job trying to turn the topic elsewhere.
Now, on a lighter note, he doesn't pay my bills, so I could give 3 shits what he says/does. He gave me a game I like to play, and that's all I care about.
"Besides, I've been called worse on the basketball court." - Barak Obama
Last time I checked, David wanted to make a claymation turn based game, and needed Morhime and Co. to make it into the games they were.
Wilson worked on DOW and COH before D3, both games were fantastic successes.
David without Blizz backing made one of the biggest flops in gaming history (as in, an ACTUAL flop, not an imagined flop, it actually closed his studio down it flopped so bad.)
Again, so Jay spouted off a bit to much, get a life, get over it.
He is a GAME DEVELOPER, not a politician, not a public figure, just a dude who makes games.
Get your head on straight.
I could name a dozen big name producers/developers/etc that have a faaaaaaaaaaar longer list of "unprofessional" statements then what Jay has said.
Yet those are tiny little blips on the radar, because Blizzard fans are a writhing mass of garbage, and cling to anything they can hound on endlessly, the lack of any sort of glimmering hope of a life is all but snuffed by these mongrels.
The interview definitely seems like it was aimed at coaxing negative feedback out of Brevik.
In my opinion though you can't take the all of the positives of D1 and D2 and attribute them to Brevik, just like you can't take all the negatives of D3 and attribute them to Wilson. If Brevik had worked on the game alone who knows if we would have ever gotten a D2 at all. Whole teams worked on all games. Some of the team from Blizzard North went on to become more successful like Max Schaefer and his team, they've shown they have a good grasp at what it takes to make a good ARPG.
Please note how Brevik was the ONLY one left out of Schaefer and Co.s new studio.............. (when they were all together for Flagship)
Just saying.
Pretty sure Bill Roper was also? After Hellgate not doing well and Mythos being sold off before it was even finished that's when Schaefer branched out more by himself I think with Matt Uelmen on board to do music.
Bill went back to Cryptic on his own. (right after Hellgate)
And then he went to China for like, 4-5 years as a "special speaker".
And then he went into Radio.
*shrugs
Ha. Bagstone.
Who knows, Marvel has had some hits, and some misses, all depends on who the dev house is behind them.
Im a comic nerd, so I always hold out hope that a Marvel/DC game will be great. (yup, even Breviks)
Clearly you have no idea how professional business is conducted. Most companies will have some form of social media clause in employee contracts as well as employee handbooks. They have them for a REASON. See Jay Wilson fiasco for an example why.
It doesn't matter if it's off the clock. What matters is that he is a public figure for a very large and well known company. His actions & his words publicly reflect on the company that employs him. It comes with the job.
Freedom of speech isn't a free pass to be a douche bag.
I think this country (in particular) needs to stop being so fucking apologetic. Dude shot his mouth off about DIablo 3 and the Diablo 3 team put it up his ass. None of them should be sorry for what they said. You can't expect to throw a punch and then another and then another and not eventually expect a reprisal.
I don't have any personal feelings about Jay Wilson at all, but give the dude a fucking break. If somebody's running off at the mouth out of sour grapes, he needs to be told to shut the hell up. Good on you, Jay.
He did Hellgate, Mythos and... not really sure passed that. Obviously Diablo 1 and 2.
^^^ This is how I kinda feel about it.
You have them all there, he is sitting at a 50% record for good/bad.
Marvel Heroes will be the game that tips the scale one way or the other.
To the person saying that the average age of players on the forums is 27, that's a bullshit number. I mean seriously what 12 year old would admit they're actually 12 years old. Yes there are a lot of immature adults as well and there are also a lot of rational adults to boot. So who the hell cares? Why does it even matter for you to claim that complainers are childish adults? You think their opinions are invalid because they are immature? In all honesty, you need to check yourself. Maybe take a step back and look at what you're saying and ask yourself whether you're doing the same thing. It bugs me when people throw out "facts" and make other people feel stupid especially when they are arguing for something just as stupid. (sigh) Hate breeds hate, guess this is true in this case.
My 2 cents and only post.
Edit: To the people talking crap about hellgate and mythos. They were innovatively conceived games with cult followings. They may have not been widely popular or even successful, but they were appreciated by hardcore gamers. Simply saying hellgate and mythos were bad games is just ignorant. Just like how saying D3 is bad game is also ignorant. D3 is a fine stand alone game with great appeal. It just shouldn't be called Diablo 3.