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  • #121
    I still dont understand the fuss. There taken a % out when we cash it....so? if it wasnt for them and this game... we wouldnt get any money at all from items... so... take all the % they want, free money is free. [Free compared to not haven a RMAH at all]
  • #122
    Quote from Molsterr

    free money is free.


    We'll see if the chinese itemfarmers feel that way next summer.
  • #123
    Quote from Molsterr

    I still dont understand the fuss. There taken a % out when we cash it....so? if it wasnt for them and this game... we wouldnt get any money at all from items... so... take all the % you want, free money is free. [Free compared to not haven a RMAH at all]

    Lol..your obviously missing the point here.If we cash out 1000$ and the fee is 10% they will take 100$ which is freaking a lot of money for their pockets. You have any idea how much they are going to win only from people cashing out every year ? Milions.
  • #124
    Quote from Deventh

    Quote from Molsterr

    I still dont understand the fuss. There taken a % out when we cash it....so? if it wasnt for them and this game... we wouldnt get any money at all from items... so... take all the % you want, free money is free. [Free compared to not haven a RMAH at all]

    Lol..your obviously missing the point here.If we cash out 1000$ and the fee is 10% they will take 100$ which is freaking a lot of money for their pockets. You have any idea how much they are going to win only from people cashing out every year ? Milions.


    And your missing the point, If they didint put the resources into this game, and the RMAH, I wouldnt be ale to cash out for that $1000($900) in the first place.

    Im not gonna complain for them taken a % out of something I wouldnt have had to begin with if it wasnt for them.


    edit: Plus what V--- just said
  • #125
    Quote from Deventh

    Quote from Molsterr

    I still dont understand the fuss. There taken a % out when we cash it....so? if it wasnt for them and this game... we wouldnt get any money at all from items... so... take all the % you want, free money is free. [Free compared to not haven a RMAH at all]

    Lol..your obviously missing the point here.If we cash out 1000$ and the fee is 10% they will take 100$ which is freaking a lot of money for their pockets. You have any idea how much they are going to win only from people cashing out every year ? Milions.


    So the issue is that they take a slice? Because last time I watched, e-bay took a slice. Other companies had stores that simply generated the items and got all the pie. Molsterr's point is that "we get 90% of the pie instead of a small piece (or nothing) and we're still complaining".

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  • #126
    If it's 10% then fine, but more than that would just be greedy.

    With the RMAH it seems to me that they are making a whole new game that they will be getting profit from.
  • #127
    I face palmed all this time while I viewed the Gamona interview. Even my grandmother would have came up with more clever questions than that interviewer :p

    on topic: rmah is gonna be great in my view, if this would allow me to buy WoW time. And other Blizzard games? I would mostly use it 'inside the system'.
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  • #128
    Up to 10% it should be good indeed. But I'm still not ungrateful for an opportunity to make some money out of it. Either way, I plan to have some e-currency on my account from my free listings. But I highly doubt people will pay as much as 100$, not to mention the outrageous amount of 1000$ some may have said. Sounds too much even for fully geared lvl 60 characters.

    Many thanks to Caniroth for the awesome sig!
  • #129
    Quote from FingolfinGR

    I highly doubt people will pay as much as 100$, not to mention the outrageous amount of 1000$ some may have said. Sounds too much even for fully geared lvl 60 characters.


    D2 chars have had sales that high, though it has been a while.

    I find the RMAH to be disgusting and saddening - like seeing on old friend working as a prostitute - but I confess, the economics of it will be interesting, the best items could ultimately peak at $100 or even go for ten times that.
  • #130
    Don't forget it's a game after all. I'm sure most of you were here also before the announcement of the RMAH meaning you intended to play the game and have fun, not as a means to earning money.
    So regardless of how worthwhile or not worthwhile cashing out of the RMAH is, you always have the option of just not cashing out and playing it as you intended before the RMAH announcement.
    Of course it is all highly speculative and until after release that we see actual fees and actual item prices on the AH nobody will be able to completely make up their minds about it.
  • #131
    Quote from FingolfinGR

    Up to 10% it should be good indeed. But I'm still not ungrateful for an opportunity to make some money out of it. Either way, I plan to have some e-currency on my account from my free listings. But I highly doubt people will pay as much as 100$, not to mention the outrageous amount of 1000$ some may have said. Sounds too much even for fully geared lvl 60 characters.


    Oh for sure, I think they were using that number as a even statics though for showing a chuck of 10% =P.
    Its going to be a very long time before someone makes $1000 imo.
  • #132
    Quote from Gheed2010

    Quote from FingolfinGR

    I highly doubt people will pay as much as 100$, not to mention the outrageous amount of 1000$ some may have said. Sounds too much even for fully geared lvl 60 characters.


    D2 chars have had sales that high, though it has been a while.

    I find the RMAH to be disgusting and saddening - like seeing on old friend working as a prostitute - but I confess, the economics of it will be interesting, the best items could ultimately peak at $100 or even go for ten times that.

    That was funny lol. Don't forget that you can still spent the money in Blizzard Store without taking this % fee. If you want a book,game or something Blizzard made then you would be getting it free (I don't even count the fee in it, because of the free listings every week)
  • #133
    I'm sick and tired of people saying this doesn't fucking matter. It fucking matters. Why the hell would I NOT illegally go with a 3rd party service to do my buying now (assuming I'm a buyer)? The businesses/farmers will always be cheaper because there isn't a percentage taken off.
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
  • #134
    Quote from Groanan

    Quote from FingolfinGR

    It's quite amusing. With Diablo II we had the most inconvenient way to trade ever. Diablo III offers us 2 solid, convenient ways (in addition to the one of Diablo II) and yet way more people are complaining!


    The face-to-face bartering system had a certain charm that you don't see in modern online games.


    It was still extremely inconvenient and spammy to get your item sold, not to mention sold without one of the people involved getting completely ripped off. And it's also availiable in Diablo III. If it won't be used it shows it's not good enough.

    Many thanks to Caniroth for the awesome sig!
  • #135
    I will repeat what I said since my post was too vulgar. I will rephrase. And I do apologize.

    You can't say this doesn't matter. It does matter. It matters because why would I (as a buyer) want to go with Blizzard RMAH when I can illegally go with a 3rd party seller who doesn't take a percentage off the final price?
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
  • #136
    I agree with Cherub (but I can't quote him, I guess his post was deleted). Adding a % fee will eventually encourage third party sites to profit, and even create a grat economy, which will affect the D3 in-game economy. The third party sites' motos will be "no % fees"...

    When the AH was first announced I thought that there will be a % portion somewhere (excluding the third party dealer), which didn't sound well to me, but we got assured that this was not be the case later on. And what do we have now - confusion...
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  • #137
    Quote from CherubDown

    I will repeat what I said since my post was too vulgar. I will rephrase. And I do apologize.

    You can't say this doesn't matter. It does matter. It matters because why would I (as a buyer) want to go with Blizzard RMAH when I can illegally go with a 3rd party seller who doesn't take a percentage off the final price?


    because most of us dont want to do that, and wont. Going through blizzard is a 100% safe way to do it. Users dont need to search around for a third party site, and then do research to see if its safe.

    I get what your saying.. but compared to the overall playerbase who would do that... it just dosnt mean much in the end.

    Buyers would still use the RMAH, as they lose nothing by using it.
  • #138
    Illegal 3rd party sites are illegal. Which very much means that if caught doing such trades you're very likely to lose all money invested and your time and money used to actually buy the game. Not to mention the possibility of being scammed.

    Too much of a risk if you ask me.

    Many thanks to Caniroth for the awesome sig!
  • #139
    Quote from FingolfinGR

    Illegal 3rd party sites are illegal. Which very much means that if caught doing such trades you're very likely to lose all money invested and your time and money used to actually buy the game. Not to mention the possibility of being scammed.

    Too much of a risk if you ask me.

    There are still gold selling and other grinding services and character sales as well going on in WoW to this day... If it wasn't worth it people wouldn't practice it.
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  • #140
    The reason why this is so darned aggravating is because (a) I was essentially lied to, (B) I based my entire opinion of the RMAH on that knowledge, and (c) had plans to really do a lot of selling, and now those plans seem FAR less attractive.

    Plus, if you look at all the transactions, in the end, you could end up getting about 60-75% of the actual final price if you take into consideration all the taxes put together.
    "All generalizations are false, including this one." -Mark Twain
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