DiabloCast: Episode XX - Give Me Options or Give Me DEATH!

Poll: Which variation of the AH will you prefer to use?

Which variation of the AH will you prefer to use? - Single Choice

  • Won't use the AH at all 4%
  • Will use both 65.3%
  • Gold-based AH 25.5%
  • Real Money AH 5.2%
  • #41
    I will certainly use the Gold AH but I might as well sell a couple of items to the the RMAH if it's worth it.
  • #42
    I picked both, but ill be playing hardcore which only has gold AH, but if i would play softcore i would use both.
  • #43
    I also think that people won't earn many money on RMAH. The e-balance is completely funded by real money, so, to earn money someone must pay for it beforehand. Those examples of expensive items in Diablo 2 doesn't apply IMO, because of many reasons:

    1- I don't really think people paid $1400 for items, if someone ever paid crazy ammounts of money, it was a very little minority.
    2- The prices got high because only some people sold it in ebay and later some shops appeared to increase the demand, in D3 every player will be able to sell and, following what people are saying here, there will be lots of people selling their high-end items for money, then the demand will increase in a bidding system, the prices are expected to lower a lot
    3- Due to the low price in RMAH, more people may prefer to sell items for gold sometimes, lowering even more the number of people that would by only in the RMAH due to the exclusively high-end only appearing there.

    We will only know when the game comes out and is some months old, but I don't see any way people really making money comparable to a job, or even close to it.
  • #44
    Voted for both, I can't wait!! Mainly be focusing on gold and converting gold into cash when exchange rates are exploitable.

    As for taxes not sure how it is in the States but in Canada it has to be a lot before you "SHOULD" claim, key word is SHOULD. Basically unless your raking in a comfortable living there is no point worry about claiming anything. I would also argue the point until you cash out (blizz will get a cut from that) how can you claim anything? To apply tax on income generated you also need to apply tax reductions to losses generated, so unless blizzard provides the necessary tax papers for income gained/lost in a fiscal period based on all your transactions, there is no way to determine actual income unless you cash out.

    Honestly if you can make a living from this game props to you cause it sure won't be fun. Item price will vary and likely be inflated for the first year at best. Eventually everything will drop except for the particular items deemed to be rare.
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  • #45
    We will only know when the game comes out and is some months old, but I don't see any way people really making money comparable to a job, or even close to it.


    I agree with everything you said 3rd party sites charged a premium because it was only offered by a limited number of people. RMAH will allow everyone to sell hence reducing prices. The RM economy is based on how much money is pumped in by users, less the fees and withdrawals. The Irony is as the prices drop it encourages people to put money into the game to buy items super cheap which then raises the prices again. I am excited to hear what the fees will be since they will set the pace for pricing.

    Anyone else think that first level 7 rune or super legendary tier 16-18 will sell for an absurd amount of money? or is anyone going to be that person who sells it/buys it for an absurd amount of money?
  • #46
    Quote from Slayerviper

    As for taxes not sure how it is in the States but in Canada it has to be a lot before you "SHOULD" claim, key word is SHOULD. Basically unless your raking in a comfortable living there is no point worry about claiming anything. I would also argue the point until you cash out (blizz will get a cut from that) how can you claim anything? To apply tax on income generated you also need to apply tax reductions to losses generated, so unless blizzard provides the necessary tax papers for income gained/lost in a fiscal period based on all your transactions, there is no way to determine actual income unless you cash out.


    I hadn't even thought about taxes. I'm from Brazil, if we get a separated server for us in LA, RMAH will starve, our tax share here is about 40% on average.

    So, every NA player who wants to paly without RMAH, come to the LA servers. :)
  • #47
    Quote from Roger


    I hadn't even thought about taxes. I'm from Brazil, if we get a separated server for us in LA, RMAH will starve, our tax share here is about 40% on average.

    So, every NA player who wants to paly without RMAH, come to the LA servers. :)


    I wouldn't worry about it, only a few countries actual have any online tax revenue and like I said it optional to claim (its hard to prove and unless you make A LOT of money it isn't in your personal interest to do so). I think I over analyzed the situation and another user politely informed me that my approach to claiming online revenue was off, but all I wanted to say that its very pointless to worry about claiming revenue from this.
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  • #48
    I'll use both while I play SC but they need to add RMAH to HC. By not doing so creates incentive for 3rd parties to open an out of game real money trade site for HC mode.
  • #49
    I'm definately planning on using both as often as I can.

    Also, I like that idea of your first rune being this sort of questitem that engages you in a minor series of quests to discover all these different runes.
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  • #50
    Quote from Lorgarn

    I'm definately planning on using both as often as I can.

    Also, I like that idea of your first rune being this sort of questitem that engages you in a minor series of quests to discover all these different runes.


    I liked that general idea as well, with a slight modification. I think the "Encyclopedia" or whatever should allow you to look at ability descriptions and then from there see what runes do to it.

    So like:

    Bash: hits a dude
    indigo rune: bash now does...
    obsidian rune: bash now does...
    crimson rune: bash now does...
    alabaster rune: bash now does...
    golden rune: bash now does...


    Re: taxation. For the USA it will probably be reported as either non-employee income on a 1099-misc, or perhaps a capital gain/loss on a 1099-b. And to all those planning to not claim it: Blizzard will be reporting all of these amounts to the IRS. If you don't make enough money to have to file a return, you'll be fine. If you already have income, you'd better report this too (blizz will undoubtably send out end-of-year-income statements, or post them on your paypal (or whoever) account or somewhere else).
  • #51
    Quote from Slayerviper

    I wouldn't worry about it, only a few countries actual have any online tax revenue and like I said it optional to claim (its hard to prove and unless you make A LOT of money it isn't in your personal interest to do so). I think I over analyzed the situation and another user politely informed me that my approach to claiming online revenue was off, but all I wanted to say that its very pointless to worry about claiming revenue from this.


    The Brazillian government always finds a way to increase taxes. This year they've increased a tax for international transactions using a credit card to almost 10%. Steam games are one of the examples that are being taxed this way. And this is only one of many taxes that we pay in this kind of transaction.
  • #52
    Hardcore player. Yes my first couple of characters will be softcore but i'm not gonna spend real money to gear up characters I will stop playing once i've made the move to hc.

    That said I am in no way against the RMAH, I just wont use it myself (tho I have pondered the idea of selling on it).
  • #53
    Quote from Akuma Seijin

    I probably won't really buy things from the RMAH....But I will definitely sell my ass off.

    So will you and everyone else. Haha

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  • #54
    Quote from blaqstomp

    Quote from Akuma Seijin

    I probably won't really buy things from the RMAH....But I will definitely sell my ass off.

    So will you and everyone else. Haha



    The interesting thing is that most of the buyers are likely to be people who wouldn't be coming to a fansite of a game well before its release. Even if everyone who said they plan to only, or mostly, sell were being truthful (or at least accurate), there is still a massive pool of buyers to be had.

    edit: grama ez da beist
  • #55
    I won't ever put real money into the RMAH, but I'll certainly use the free listings I get to start myself off earning some eMoney. To me it will be nothing more than a second currency to spend on in game items since I don't expect to be able to earn anything even remotely possible to call an hourly wage. I don't see it as real money since, and won't see it as such unless I start hitting three figures.

    If I buy all my items there's no game left for me to play since I don't enjoy PvP. I enjoy the grind and will only use the AH's to pick up big item upgrades cheap or to replace something I've been wearing for ages that I'm getting bad luck finding.
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  • #56
    I´ll use both, once I used up my free lisating in the rmah I´ll use the gold one.
    why is everyone so sensitive lately?!
  • #57
    I think there should be an option for you to use your own gear and char for pvp. Just for casual pvp; not serious pvp. Just think of it as closed and open bnet. For those who enjoy the overpowered side of player killing. They can still pimp out their char using auction house if they like. For serious pvp; this might be restricted to make things fair. Its a great option to satisfied both gamers.
  • #58
    Wow. Would have been an excellent podcast had you cut off the last 30 seconds. No one is surprised to hear you guys talk about pvp at length but are the opinions of the people who disagree with you less valuable somehow. Calling them all care-bears was unprofessional and rude. I expect that from wow general chat but I honestly think that was below you guys. Might want to reconsider making fun of half of your fan base next time.
  • #59
    Some people complain so much about the RMAH that makes us even forget about how the AH will be awesome after all...

    I just remembered my early D2 days trying to trade items in the chat channel spamming a summarized list of my items and waiting for someone to whisper with an offer. Or may entering games with the "TRADE" title and waiting for ages for someone with gear that interested me to appear and make offers that normally weren't good for me at all. All the games "ITEM X FT" that I had to rush into before someone took the item.

    The AH in D3 may not be perfect, but it will be awesome nonetheless.
  • #60
    I will prefer to use the IGG AH, but I will use both. I won't ever spend cash to buy an item though, except with money I have earned through the game.

    I am not against the RMAH, but I prefer to enjoy the game and not take half the game away from myself by buying gear.
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