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Why didn't they just "walk over" to sanctuary?
I guess neither the lesser evils nor the high heavens should become suspicious. "We are not on sanctuary by choice."
That's a theory I subscribed to in the past, but it doesn't seem to be what actually happened. From what we can tell from the Book of Cain, Heaven didn't know the Three were exiled to Sanctuary. Tyrael only found out by happenstance some decades after it happened, and then he did everything he could to keep that knowledge from the rest of the Council. Thus he created the Horadrim to hunt them down.
In light of this, it would seem that the Three never intended for the soulstones to be used to begin with, since they ravaged Sanctuary just fine without them for forty years. What seems mor elikely is that, once Tyrael decided to use the soulstones, then Izual informed the Three about them and their weakness.
Now Diablo somehow got the knowledge of the black soulstone and he adapted his plan, or someone else plays a role later on (Adria's betrayal stuff) which somehow has to lead to the merging theory.
The Black Soulstone was only created by Zoltun Kulle after the Three were all imprisoned, so like I said, it's really hard to say anything definitive about it at this point.
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I'm not sure I understand the exact question, are you wondering how Azmodan figured out the Black Soulstone existed, or how Diablo figured it out? At this point both questions are impossible to answer, and I bet they rely on story development within D3 which we have yet to hear of.
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This speech however implies that there was never any tensions within the ranks of Hell, and that it has all been a ploy to fool both Sanctuary and Heaven. This would, by extension, also mean that the civil war that is said to be raging between Azmodan and Belial has been nothing but a ruse."
Not necessarily. While that has certainly been the prevailing theory on this matter over the years, I think the Black Soulstone cinematic, plus what we know of events within D3 disprove this line of thought. Azmodan and Belial both appear to be at real odds with the Prime Evils.
What's important to note here is that even if the Three did mastermind their own exile, it does not necessitate that the Lesser Evils knew about this. The Lesser Evils could have been duped by the Three, and likely were.
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Did we fight Lilith in the pandemonium event or was that purely a game event and didn't really happen lore wise?
Gibson is correct, but it has little to do with the Book of Cain. The Pandemonium Event, or Uber Diablo for that matter, were never canonical events. Even during the days of D2, before the Sin War books etc., it made absolutely no logical, metaphysical or narrative sense within the Diablo Universe. They were two fun events designed to deal with design flaws within D2, nothing more.
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I've always wondered why Baal was portrayed as a cunning, subtle and devius prime evil in the cinematics (being freed by marius while appearing before him as a pleading Tal'Rasha & taking on the guise of Tyrael during the talk with Marius), while being described as a force of destruction in the lore. Is there a way to make the deception fit his overall character?
It is true that many view Baal as the dumbest of the Three, especially in the Sin War novels, but it appears that this is a somewhat incorrect image of him. He might still be the "dumbest" of the Three, which is perhaps where this image comes from, but that should still make him pretty smart. Remember, the "lore" in the games and the books is almost always told by some person who have had no actual contact with Baal.
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Lilith is the mother of Andariel according to some people. Is that right ?
I don't think it is since Andariel is one of the seven Evils, so she spawned from one of the Tathamet's head, not from Lilith. Right ?
It's not right. The story that Lilith was Andariel's mother comes from the Arreat Summit, but has been retconned with the Book of Cain where Andariel is stated to have spawned from one of Tathamet's seven heads.
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Anyways i thought the horadrim stopped Zoltun Kulle before he was able to create that black soulstone as their last mission. I am kind of confused. Could anyone explain?
Furthermore, it is important to note that while the Book of Cain is canon, it is only canon from Deckard Cain's perspective. Meaning that since Cain isn't omniscient, there may be factual errors in his account. As Metzen and the other writers pointed out in the recent Book of Cain signing interview, this means that details could be off in Cain's account.
In short, Cain and the Horadrim could well believe that the Black Soulstone was never created, but this belief may well be wrong. Since the stone appeared in the teaser cinematic, it would seem they were.
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That's uncertain to be sure. His story is hinted at in the Legacy of Blood, but since that book is no longer considered canon it's hard to draw anything conclusive for that.
However, the Diablo lore is understandeable much slimmer than the Warcraft lore at this point, but I think Blizzard want's to greatly expand it. And that cannot be done without further exploring the characters already present. Horazon and his brother Bartuc were both interesting characters in D1 and D2, so I would be surprised if we didn't learn more about them some day. Whether that will be in D3 or not I don't know.
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Some time ago, someone had a theory that Diablo was originally an Archangel called Mirakodus, who also appeared in the Kingdom of Shadow, but it was never confirmed, so who knows.
That theory holds about as much water as theories predicting that Deckard Cain is the ultimate evil in the universe, perhaps less even. Which is to say none at all.
Aside from the fact that events in The Kingdom of Shadow cannot be considered canon outright, Miradokus did appear in Kingdom of Shadow, but as nothing more than Diablo disguised. To take that persona as proof that demons were once angels it just as ridiculous as thinking demons were once humans just because Lilith disguises herself as one in Birthright.
The clearest account of the origin of angels and demons we have come from Inarius in Birthright, where he recalls how heaven and hell were created at the same time and quickly fell into war with each other. To question that account is to question the lore established in D1 and D2, and there are no accounts in the lore to suggest anything else is true.
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So when Sankekur, being influenced telepathically by Mephisto, shattered Mephisto's soulstone, he shoved a piece of the soulstone into himself to contain Mephisto and each of the counsil members (willingly?) shoved a piece into their hands, corrupting them? Is that the reason that the counsil members have soulstones in their bodies?
But why did Diablo use Leoric's son? Wouldn't it be better to use a grown man's body, like one of Leoric's servants? Maybe it was easier to possess a boy's mind than a grown man's mind? When Diablo possessed Leoric's son, the boy went into the labyrinth and shoved a large piece of Diablo's soulstone into his forehead, and became Diablo?
Diablo was likely looking for a strong mind to possess, not a strong body: Albrecht is tranformed into a demonic form way larger than his human size.
Albrecht was also abducted by Lazarus himself and drawn into the labyrinth.
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1) If Diablo's and Mephisto's soulstones were shattered by Lazarus and Sankekur, how did they keep the stones close to their human hosts? And how do we imprison them in the stones again then (to later destroy them at the Hellforge)?
Diablo shoved it into his forehead and Baal had it in his chest (before Marius pulled it out). Originally the High Council had them shoved into the palms of their hands (as you can see if you look at Ismail Vilehand (Diablo II)). The particular detail about the palms might have been retconned, but Mephisto likely had some shard stuck in his body somewhere as well.
Imprisoning them again in new soulstones is not needed or favorable I think.
2) Why did Diablo not use Lazarus as his human host?
Perhaps he was too weak, Diablo wanted a strong host and Leoric was the strongest he could find until the warrior came along. There is also some hints from the D2 manual that Lazarus might have already been touched by Mephisto while he served as a priest in Kurast, which would explain how Lazarus knew where Diablo was and perhaps also by how easily he seems to have succumbed to Diablo. Since Mephisto would then already have touched his mind, perhaps his body would no longer be suitable for Diablo as a host.
3) How was Tyrael fooled into using the using the soulstones for the benefit of the Three? Was it a bad idea to imprison them in the soulstones? If yes, what would be a better idea?
Doomscream is pretty right about this. There doesn't seem to have been a really good alternative either. Why simply killing them wasn't a good idea isn't quite explained: perhaps the Horadrim couldn't kill them (unlikely seeing as they did beat all Three before capturing them) or perhaps killing them would in effect just send them back to Hell on way or another (an explanation I favor) or something else entirely.
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Why would Tyrael want the soulstone to be destroyed? Baal is not in it, and because it's damaged it can't even be used to capture Baal again.
Not entirely. The soulstones weren't the perfect prisons the Horadrim though, but they still worked to some degree. That's why Baal remained imprisoned until Marius came, and why Diablo spent hundreds of years beneath Tristram stuck in a stone. Both Diablo's and Mephisto's soulstones were also shattered, the former by Lazarus and the latter by Sankekur, yet both Diablo and Mephisto kept their stones literally attached to their human hosts. Baal likewise also goes through the trouble of tracking Marius down and retrieving the fragment he holds in the ending cinematic of D2.
A part of the Prime Evils was indubtably still contained in their respective soulstones, and it likely hurt their powers to keep it away from themselves. Likewise, if a part of the stone remained after the death of a Prime Evil, it could perhaps have been used to bring them back. If I were Tyrael and I realized I had been fooled into using the soulstones for the benefit of the Three, I would have them destroyed even if I didn't know for sure that they were a potential threat in and of themselves.
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my friend brought something up to me the other day and now it's pissing me off that i can't find what he's talking about. In the Sin War books (thinking its Scales of the Serpent) Uldyssian finds a woman in a stone...all i could find online is the name "Elise" but i'm not sure if that's right. i don't have the time to read the whole book just to find her. so, if anyone knows what page it's on i'll appreciate it.
I don't recall any part where he finds a woman in stone. What you might be talking about (and what Desmond is also referring to) is a passage in SotS where Uldyssian comes upon a ruin where a male demon and female couple appear to have lived until Lilith killed them. The anger of the male demon lingers in the place, but there's no trace ofthe female and no name given of her.
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In light of this, it would seem that the Three never intended for the soulstones to be used to begin with, since they ravaged Sanctuary just fine without them for forty years. What seems mor elikely is that, once Tyrael decided to use the soulstones, then Izual informed the Three about them and their weakness.
The Black Soulstone was only created by Zoltun Kulle after the Three were all imprisoned, so like I said, it's really hard to say anything definitive about it at this point.
What's important to note here is that even if the Three did mastermind their own exile, it does not necessitate that the Lesser Evils knew about this. The Lesser Evils could have been duped by the Three, and likely were.
Baal needed the soulstone in order to corrupt the Worldstone.
In short, Cain and the Horadrim could well believe that the Black Soulstone was never created, but this belief may well be wrong. Since the stone appeared in the teaser cinematic, it would seem they were.
I don't think anyone's going to fault you for not browsing through 600 posts before asking your question here
However, the Diablo lore is understandeable much slimmer than the Warcraft lore at this point, but I think Blizzard want's to greatly expand it. And that cannot be done without further exploring the characters already present. Horazon and his brother Bartuc were both interesting characters in D1 and D2, so I would be surprised if we didn't learn more about them some day. Whether that will be in D3 or not I don't know.
Aside from the fact that events in The Kingdom of Shadow cannot be considered canon outright, Miradokus did appear in Kingdom of Shadow, but as nothing more than Diablo disguised. To take that persona as proof that demons were once angels it just as ridiculous as thinking demons were once humans just because Lilith disguises herself as one in Birthright.
The clearest account of the origin of angels and demons we have come from Inarius in Birthright, where he recalls how heaven and hell were created at the same time and quickly fell into war with each other. To question that account is to question the lore established in D1 and D2, and there are no accounts in the lore to suggest anything else is true.
In short, demons are not fallen angels.
Diablo was likely looking for a strong mind to possess, not a strong body: Albrecht is tranformed into a demonic form way larger than his human size.
Albrecht was also abducted by Lazarus himself and drawn into the labyrinth.
Imprisoning them again in new soulstones is not needed or favorable I think.
Perhaps he was too weak, Diablo wanted a strong host and Leoric was the strongest he could find until the warrior came along. There is also some hints from the D2 manual that Lazarus might have already been touched by Mephisto while he served as a priest in Kurast, which would explain how Lazarus knew where Diablo was and perhaps also by how easily he seems to have succumbed to Diablo. Since Mephisto would then already have touched his mind, perhaps his body would no longer be suitable for Diablo as a host.
Doomscream is pretty right about this. There doesn't seem to have been a really good alternative either. Why simply killing them wasn't a good idea isn't quite explained: perhaps the Horadrim couldn't kill them (unlikely seeing as they did beat all Three before capturing them) or perhaps killing them would in effect just send them back to Hell on way or another (an explanation I favor) or something else entirely.
A part of the Prime Evils was indubtably still contained in their respective soulstones, and it likely hurt their powers to keep it away from themselves. Likewise, if a part of the stone remained after the death of a Prime Evil, it could perhaps have been used to bring them back. If I were Tyrael and I realized I had been fooled into using the soulstones for the benefit of the Three, I would have them destroyed even if I didn't know for sure that they were a potential threat in and of themselves.
It's on page 85 in SotS.