Is there a possibility that we may encounter some of them in Diablo III?
Well, not really. It happened a long time ago, and... well, there is another issue with actually meeting them. It's kind of a Sin War spoiler though
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What sort of powers did the Edyrem have?
All sorts. I don't remember any specific powers, but they wre quite like wizards with wide differences in what they could do. And obviously some were more powerful than others.
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Don't laugh at me, I haven't read the books yet, but I'm working on it!
I just want to know: Who were the Edyrem?
They are the "next-generation" nephalem. Basically, Uldyssian awakens magic powers within regular people in the books, and they collectively become known as the Edyrem. Humans are descendants of the Nephalem who've had their powers successively diminished over generations, but the Edyrem are the turning point, as they again unlock the potential that mankind has.
I do not however recall what Edyrem stands for, but it has some meaning.
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okay here is my question-
in a lore book i read Heaven and Hell were always evenly matched. so how did the Angels match the Demons if the Demons have larger numbers+the Seven Evils? Did the Angles have like a super powerful God dude or something? Is the Angiris Counsel a huge step up in power than an Arch-Angel?
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I think what the High Heavens lacks in numbers it makes up for in actual power. Of course, although we've never seen many angels, that doesn't mean that there aren't just as many in Heaven as demons are in Hell. And, perhaps the Angiris Council is the "heavenly" counterpart to the Seven Evils?
The angels are quite a few more than one may think, which is clearly revealed in The Sin War. My explanation containts spoilers from the books, so read with care.
At the end of The Veiled Prophet, a massive battle is inisiated between Heaven and Hell in Sanctuary, and the angels are just as many as the demons. The reason we never see this is because the angels never interfere, thus we just encounter a few powerful angels, when they are in fact very many.
The Angiris Council can also be seen as the equivalent of the Three and perhaps the four Lesser Evils.
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**WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILERS FROM THE SIN WAR TRILOGY BELOW**
In the books Uldyssian manages to change the very structure of the worldstone to, what I belive, the Nephalems advantage. Now looking at the diablo game when 3000 years have passed shouldn't all humans be equipped with the powers of the Nephalem? When reading forums it feels like everyone still looks at the worldstone as something that drains away the power of the Nephalem? Or is it something that I have missed in some other Lore?
Well that is sort of an unanswered question. Perhaps the "reset" of Sanctuary reset the Worldstone; perhaps the change would come about very slowly; perhaps the Worldstone was tampered with after Uldyssian did what he did.
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How was Diablo defeated by humans despite the fact that he is the most powerful being in Diablo universe(his universe)?We know that it was his will to get a strong body at first (referring to diablo I's end).But in Diablo II he was really defeated.
Even Inarius in his world afraid to encounter Diablo.I think it's silly humans can defeat Diablo.I hope in DIII we will get help of some greater powers to defeat Diablo.
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The nephalem (aka humans) have the potential to be more powerful than demons and angels, which is why the Sin War (war to take over Sanctuary) has gone on for so long.
It does seem kind of silly though that humans can defeat someone like Diablo, but we never truly defeat him. Recently one of the devs said that 'defeating' the Three in Diablo II was just the tip of the iceberg.
And also remember that angels and demons lose much of their power while on Sanctuary.
It might be that the hero of the game developed some of the powers of the Nephalem, just like Uldyssian did back in the Sin War. We have no idea who the characters we play are, and it could be possible that they are not just skilled humans, but actually possess some extraordinary magical talent as well.
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Are there more planes in creation than just heaven hell and sanctuary? Because there is trags realm too, im not sure if thats apart of sanctuary or a seperate plane. Also what about the amazon godesses?
And in the Sin War trilogy the third book, trag was talking to some other being who seemed more powerful than him. Does anyone have a clue who they were?
There appears to be, but there are no names given and neither Heaven nor Hell seem to be aware of them. Hopefully more will be revealved in D3.
The Amazon gods we know very little of, I think it's been theorized that they are Nephalem.
The other beings are also very vague, but may be beings similar to Trag'Oul in their respective realms.
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What happened to the shards of all the soulstones? They were all shattered. I mean BEFORE being destroyed on the hellforge. Only pieces of them were destroyed on the forge.
Well since this thread ism't for theorizing, there is no answer for you. We don't know.
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So are Azmodan and Belial still duking it out down there?
As far as my thinking goes, yes.
Although theoretically, the whole war could also be a ruse to fool the High Heavens. However from a storytelling point that would in my mind not be a path Blizzard would consider walking down. It also seems to serve little purpose, as the war is really not very well known.
As for the Worldstone, we're told it was to open Sanctuary for Hell to enter freely, working sort of like a part of Hell. Of course, we do not know if this is true. Tyrael is the one who tells us if I remember correctly.
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really? i always felt that it was the brothers getting screwed over lol. but, considering my previous theory that is displayed in most all of the books that humans know very little about what is actually going on and just have pieces of the puzzle. And the whole "prime evils defeated 1/3 of the legions of hell before succumbing" could just be myth and the prime evils weren't defeated but rather intended for it to happen. i understand
The underlying idea as to why I believe that is that Sanctuary is the tool needed to win, and the Three realize this. Now, they faked the exile, as is evident by Andariel and Duriel rejoining them, but I think it might have backfired with Azmodan and Belial starting their own little homegrown war. It is possibly that it was planned for those two to stay behind and guard Hell, but things got out of hand when they got the power they now wield as lords of Hell.
EDIT: And Veltras, that topic took a lot of muster out of me last time I discussed it, I think we ought to leave it for now. At least until we get some more canon from Blizzard
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Since he is the Lord of Destruction, I think Baal is probably the less intelligent of the Three and thus has less influence on their ultimate plan, so that's probably why we didn't hear too much about him so far.
Although following your reasoning, Baal would probably be mightier than his brothers in single combat, which I find hard to believe, seeing as Diablo is always held as the strongest of the Three in terms of raw power.
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Here is my theory. Previously posted in a dead thread.
I think the prime evils wanted their soulstones destroyed so that they could return to hell and reclaim their throne.
That would depend on how the Exile is interpeted. I always drew the conclusion from the game that the Exile was masterminded by the Three, meaning the whole "Lesser Evils kikcs out Prime Evil" thing was a ruse to begin with.
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i know that part. that wasn't my question. Thats the earliest information of baal i know of. I have yet to finish the sin war so maybe his story starts there. But like, we have way more info on diablo and mephisto. what about baal? what was he up to way back in the day?? preferably starting in sin war era if his history traces that far back
There's practically nothing of Baal in The Sin War, as far as I remember we never really get any interaction from him, just his name mentioned a few times.
Makes you wonder what he was up to all those years.
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Yes, I too have often thought that even the destruction of the Worldstone was part of their plan as well. I guess it was a win/win situation for them: corruption or destruction. But we'll find out the answer soon enough.
I'd guess it was more of a backup-plan. If their goal was to destroy it, couldn't Baal have done it himself? I can't see how Tyraels powers would in any way be any more suited to destroy the Worldstone compared to Baal.
To me, it seemed the original plan of corrupting the stone was to give Hell an advantage, only granting access to hell but limiting it still for Heaven. It also seems as if destroying it is a carefully considered action. Tyrael doesn't reveal any form of hints to suggest that he knows what will happen, and once again it seems unlikely that Baal would possess that knowledge.
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I would like ask the question:Who is next in queue to the Throne?
Since most of us are pretty much assuming the Three will return, I don't think there's any real answer to that, other than Azmodan/Belial.
Tyrael is an angel. i don't think he'll have any way of controlling demons, at least not as long as two Lesser Evils still live.
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Sorry if this is kind of random, but did any of you ever think how odd it is that Baal's and Mephisto's soulstones were stored in elaborate, grand places, while Diablo's was just underneath a backwater town in the middle of nowhere?
Most likely just a plot device Blizzard used to get us out in the open
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All sorts. I don't remember any specific powers, but they wre quite like wizards with wide differences in what they could do. And obviously some were more powerful than others.
I do not however recall what Edyrem stands for, but it has some meaning.
At the end of The Veiled Prophet, a massive battle is inisiated between Heaven and Hell in Sanctuary, and the angels are just as many as the demons. The reason we never see this is because the angels never interfere, thus we just encounter a few powerful angels, when they are in fact very many.
The Angiris Council can also be seen as the equivalent of the Three and perhaps the four Lesser Evils.
The Amazon gods we know very little of, I think it's been theorized that they are Nephalem.
The other beings are also very vague, but may be beings similar to Trag'Oul in their respective realms.
Although theoretically, the whole war could also be a ruse to fool the High Heavens. However from a storytelling point that would in my mind not be a path Blizzard would consider walking down. It also seems to serve little purpose, as the war is really not very well known.
As for the Worldstone, we're told it was to open Sanctuary for Hell to enter freely, working sort of like a part of Hell. Of course, we do not know if this is true. Tyrael is the one who tells us if I remember correctly.
EDIT: And Veltras, that topic took a lot of muster out of me last time I discussed it, I think we ought to leave it for now. At least until we get some more canon from Blizzard
That would depend on how the Exile is interpeted. I always drew the conclusion from the game that the Exile was masterminded by the Three, meaning the whole "Lesser Evils kikcs out Prime Evil" thing was a ruse to begin with.
Makes you wonder what he was up to all those years.
To me, it seemed the original plan of corrupting the stone was to give Hell an advantage, only granting access to hell but limiting it still for Heaven. It also seems as if destroying it is a carefully considered action. Tyrael doesn't reveal any form of hints to suggest that he knows what will happen, and once again it seems unlikely that Baal would possess that knowledge.
Since most of us are pretty much assuming the Three will return, I don't think there's any real answer to that, other than Azmodan/Belial.
Tyrael is an angel. i don't think he'll have any way of controlling demons, at least not as long as two Lesser Evils still live.
Most likely just a plot device Blizzard used to get us out in the open