This thread is for any discussion on the status of the corruption within the American government (not a democratic vs republican debate).
Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories. No personal attacks are to be made and anyone is entitled to their opinion about the American government.
As stated in another thread, my opinion is this:
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The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
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If someone says something that seems untrue then do not call them a liar or get mad at them. This is not the thread for flaming. If you have a problem with a point, ask for more detail or sources.
Alright, let the discussion begin.
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hm? US invading Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 terrorist attack.
say what u wish, they are completely 2 different things.
and i don't wana look shit up so "say" your wrong so ima shut up and wait for equinox to do it.
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It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
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and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
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hm? US invading Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 terrorist attack.
say what u wish, they are completely 2 different things.
and i don't wana look shit up so "say" your wrong so ima shut up and wait for equinox to do it.
I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
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I dont even want to touch this thread. I just cant see why we dont focus on ourselves instead of things we hate. Humans make mistakes, humans do good and BAD things...this is the world we live in and something that is completely and utterly out of our control. The ones that just ignore it and live out your lives is what counts to me.
P.S. I hate politics...people elected by the people to represent them and a year later the very same people hate what the people they have elected, have done.....oooo brain twister lol.
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This thread is for any discussion on the status of the American government (not democratic or republican).
The status of the American government? Eh, that's just so broad of a topic I don't know what to say. Are you talking about the federal government then? Or state and local governments as well? And with status do you mean our economy, the status of our individual rights, our international policy, or just anything I can think of.
I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
i'm pretty sure it was because we had a reason to believe he had weapons of mass destruction..
Nothing else.
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We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
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@ OP, you broke your own rule in your original post
Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories.
I assume you are referring to the comment that America stages or at least purposefully allows catastrophic attacks on themselves to allow them to go to war. This is not my theory. This is a theory shared by many hundreds if not thousands of experts and investigators.
If you want sources then I suggest finding a documentary such as Zeitgeist. It's long but split into 3 sections with the second half directed towards this and the corruption inside the American government.
The status of the American government? Eh, that's just so broad of a topic I don't know what to say. Are you talking about the federal government then? Or state and local governments as well? And with status do you mean our economy, the status of our individual rights, our international policy, or just anything I can think of.
I'm terrified of where this thread is going.
Federal and very general: what is your opinion? Are they doing a swell job? Are they completely corrupt and trying to take away our civil liberties and lead us into an Orwellian society? Somewhere in between?
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I assume you are referring to the comment that America stages or at least purposefully allows catastrophic attacks on themselves to allow them to go to war. This is not my theory. This is a theory shared by many hundreds if not thousands of experts and investigators.
If you want sources then I suggest finding a documentary such as Zeitgeist. It's long but split into 3 sections with the second half directed towards this and the corruption inside the American government.
i like how theres videos proving that video wrong..shit happens.
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We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin) ~~us West Ladder~~
The status of the American government? Eh, that's just so broad of a topic I don't know what to say. Are you talking about the federal government then? Or state and local governments as well? And with status do you mean our economy, the status of our individual rights, our international policy, or just anything I can think of.
I'm terrified of where this thread is going.
I am with ya on this one...
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I like how in that video when it talks about how ignorant Americans are about the federal income tax, it equates not knowing about the federal income tax with being either party trash or a drunk hippie who has pissed himself. God, just 45 seconds into the film and the guy has destroyed his credibility. Sorry Mr. Filmmaker, we Americans are just so ignorant that we might as well drink ourselves into a stupor every day.
i like how theres videos proving that video wrong..shit happens.
Source? the only critique of that movie I found was that certain specifics in the religious section were a bit off. The fact that America is in essence owned by the major banking corporations and has complete control over the currency (the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal, it is private and separate from the state) is not a theory, it is a well-known fact.
Income tax being a fraud is also not a theory. No law in America exists that requires people to pay it. Unfortunately that doesn't stop the IRS from illegally invading your property and repossessing all your stuff if you refuse.
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Source? the only critique of that movie I found was that certain specifics in the religious section were a bit off. The fact that America is in essence owned by the major banking corporations and has complete control over the currency (the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal, it is private and separate from the state) is not a theory, it is a well-known fact.
Income tax being a fraud is also not a theory. No law in America exists that requires people to pay it. Unfortunately that doesn't stop the IRS from illegally invading your property and repossessing all your stuff if you refuse.
And BTW I was referring to your "point" that 100% of taxes go to Bankers LOL. What pays for schools, roads, social security, welfare, etc. ???? And lastly, sorry but your little video hardly count as proof/evidence/reliable. I've already seen it.
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
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And BTW I was referring to your "point" that 100% of taxes go to Bankers LOL. What pays for schools, roads, social security, welfare, etc. ????
That's the internal revenue code... Basically the handbook for the IRS. This is not the law, the law to pass income tax was never voted in and there have been many court cases where the defendant took the case to the supreme court and won. The judges ruled in each case that they need not pay the tax as there was no law telling them to do so. Not to mention the all the IRS experts interviewed that say they have not filed a tax return or payed income tax in years.
Also the American constitution states that there are only 2 types of taxes: Direct and proportioned, Or indirect and not proportioned. Direct means that you get taxed for a specific thing such as paying for gas, this tax is proportioned directly to road and city maintenance. The second type indirect is something like GST or income tax where everyone has to pay. This tax has to be spread evenly among Americans through basic governmental duties. Income tax however IS proportioned, given 100% solely to pay the banks whom the government is indebted to by trillions of dollars.
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The Internal Revenue Code IS the law in and of itself. Oh and uh, what about Wesley Snipes, why did he get a prison sentence if the courts don't hold people accountable. LOL Can you personally link me to any cases where the defendant won his case. You say there are many so you should easily be able to find a few.
I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
The media was always against Bush.
Saddam was completely unrelated to 9-11. The nuclear crap was an excuse to go in there and free millions of people from oppression from an insane tyrant. A tyrant that killed MILLIONS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE during his reign.
There was never a connection between the two, and if it was ever made, I didn't notice it, nor have I heard of it to this day. Until you can show me an article from that date, proving your statements, I will regard it as speculation and you have an unstable argument.
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Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories. No personal attacks are to be made and anyone is entitled to their opinion about the American government.
As stated in another thread, my opinion is this:
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The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
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If someone says something that seems untrue then do not call them a liar or get mad at them. This is not the thread for flaming. If you have a problem with a point, ask for more detail or sources.
Alright, let the discussion begin.
say what u wish, they are completely 2 different things.
and i don't wana look shit up so "say" your wrong so ima shut up and wait for equinox to do it.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
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I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories.
Check out my Youtube channel: RetroGameClips
P.S. I hate politics...people elected by the people to represent them and a year later the very same people hate what the people they have elected, have done.....oooo brain twister lol.
I'm terrified of where this thread is going.
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i'm pretty sure it was because we had a reason to believe he had weapons of mass destruction..
Nothing else.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
I assume you are referring to the comment that America stages or at least purposefully allows catastrophic attacks on themselves to allow them to go to war. This is not my theory. This is a theory shared by many hundreds if not thousands of experts and investigators.
If you want sources then I suggest finding a documentary such as Zeitgeist. It's long but split into 3 sections with the second half directed towards this and the corruption inside the American government.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...dex=0&hl=en-CA
Edit:
Federal and very general: what is your opinion? Are they doing a swell job? Are they completely corrupt and trying to take away our civil liberties and lead us into an Orwellian society? Somewhere in between?
i like how theres videos proving that video wrong..shit happens.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
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Source? the only critique of that movie I found was that certain specifics in the religious section were a bit off. The fact that America is in essence owned by the major banking corporations and has complete control over the currency (the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal, it is private and separate from the state) is not a theory, it is a well-known fact.
Income tax being a fraud is also not a theory. No law in America exists that requires people to pay it. Unfortunately that doesn't stop the IRS from illegally invading your property and repossessing all your stuff if you refuse.
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
And BTW I was referring to your "point" that 100% of taxes go to Bankers LOL. What pays for schools, roads, social security, welfare, etc. ???? And lastly, sorry but your little video hardly count as proof/evidence/reliable. I've already seen it.
Check out my Youtube channel: RetroGameClips
jump in anytime..:D
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
That's the internal revenue code... Basically the handbook for the IRS. This is not the law, the law to pass income tax was never voted in and there have been many court cases where the defendant took the case to the supreme court and won. The judges ruled in each case that they need not pay the tax as there was no law telling them to do so. Not to mention the all the IRS experts interviewed that say they have not filed a tax return or payed income tax in years.
Also the American constitution states that there are only 2 types of taxes: Direct and proportioned, Or indirect and not proportioned. Direct means that you get taxed for a specific thing such as paying for gas, this tax is proportioned directly to road and city maintenance. The second type indirect is something like GST or income tax where everyone has to pay. This tax has to be spread evenly among Americans through basic governmental duties. Income tax however IS proportioned, given 100% solely to pay the banks whom the government is indebted to by trillions of dollars.
Check out my Youtube channel: RetroGameClips
The media was always against Bush.
Saddam was completely unrelated to 9-11. The nuclear crap was an excuse to go in there and free millions of people from oppression from an insane tyrant. A tyrant that killed MILLIONS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE during his reign.
There was never a connection between the two, and if it was ever made, I didn't notice it, nor have I heard of it to this day. Until you can show me an article from that date, proving your statements, I will regard it as speculation and you have an unstable argument.