How was Diablo, Baal, and Mephesto born in the first place? Were they just there since the beggining of time? I have only played Diablo 2 and I never read the books so please no flamming.
The answer is: Unknown. Since the beginning of time Evil has always existed, as does Good. Evil and Good are based upon the conscience of all living things, judgment if you may call it. This being Evil as the 7 Evils of the Burning Hells and Good as the Agiris Council of the High Heavens
I've been reading the D3 forums since it was anounced and all that info is kinda jumbled together. But somewhere in my memory there is a mention of their father - i forgot who, where, when, what - all that shit, but i can tell ya they have a dad. i think.
No, the Prime Evils don't have a 'father' that we know of. It has never been mentioned, its only speculated by fans.
When the Prime Evils are destroyed, it is mentioned by Tyrael that they have been "sent back to the black abyss that spawned them". So apparently they were spawned from the black abyss - whatever that is.
There is also knowledge of another world that is above both Heaven and Hell, just as Heaven and Hell are above Sanctuary. We don't know anything of this world except that there are extremely powerful beings called Dreamers that come from it (that look like toads), as described in Legacy of Blood. I really can't tell you much about them. They made it sound like this higher world is the one that created Heaven and Hell and are the ones who keep the balance between them. Kind of like fate, I think.
So it is possible that these Dreamers or someone else from their world created the black abyss that spawned the Prime Evils. Possible, but not confirmed.
There's an official thread for asking lore questions, I'll merge this with that one.
The Smith in Act I seems like a shifty character. As all of the monsters were the humans/animals in their corrupted form, is there any idea who he is? Also, does he have anything to do with Hephasto?
This is the original lore regarding the Overlords. The Sin War changed this a bit, however, so now we aren't too sure on their origin now.
Overlords (Tyrannus Pinguis): Even the Seraphim are not immune to the corruption of the Dark Lords. One such angels, Inarius, was proud of his beauty and boasted loudly of his purity and worth. His thoughts became so clouded that he believed himself to be above both Angel and Demon, and he left the High Heavens to form his own dominion. He constructed a great cathedral of mirrored glass and crystal, and followers flocked to him, drawn by his numinous charm and wealth. Once Inarius had gathered a sizable army, he decided to prove his power.
Inarius first laid siege to an infernal temple devoted to the worship of Mephisto, but made the foolish mistake of overestimating his prowess. The armies of Inarius laid waste to the temple and killed the dark monks that dwelled within. The Three Evils had considered the vain warrior a mere nuisance and amusement until this time, but this was an insult that they could not bear.
Mephisto himself is said to have appeared at the cathedral of Inarius. He laid waste to the church and the surrounding countryside. The Lord of Hatred took the proud archangel and his followers captive. He bound Inarius with tremendous chains and slowly tore the wings from the back of the angel. Great barbed hooks were then used to stretch out the once glowing skin and his features were distorted by vile powers. Many of the followers of Inarius were given as gifts to Baal and Diablo, but the rest were molded to match the bloated image of the now crippled angel. To this day, Inarius is said to be trapped in Hell within a chamber of mirrors, his eyelids torn from his face as he is forced to gaze upon his misshapen form for all eternity. His misguided followers now serve as Hell's taskmaster taking the anguish of their lost glory out upon the bodies of others.
These grotesque demons have considerable brawn hidden beneath their layers of greasy flab. Do not underestimate their strength or their intelligence for crossing swords with them is ill advised. You will be far better served to combat them with ranged weapons or magic.
Note here the mention of 'anguish'. Andariel is the Maiden of Anguish, so it is fitting that The Smith would be with her.
The Rogue Monastery served as temple, military headquarters and home for the Sisters of the Sightless Eye for generations. It was here that the Rogues gathered in times of peace to train and in times of war to utilize that training. During the Sin War, the ancient Horadric Mages forged and enchanted a Weapon that also held the power to create powerful artifacts. When their union dissolved, this Horadric Malus was entrusted to the Sisterhood guarding the pass into the East.
When Andariel's deceit overthrew the structure of the Sisterhood, a great struggle between the followers of Blood Raven and those of Kashya, erupted. The Rogues were forced to give up their ancestral home and the Monastery is now filled with voracious hellspawn. While all of these dark beasts are dangerous, the Overlord who guards the Malus is particularly brutal. Known as The Smith, this vile craftsman now uses the power of the Malus to create weaponry for the minions of Diablo.
When the Serephim who followed the Angel Inarius into battle were made to pay for the destruction of an infernal temple by an outraged Mephisto, many were forced into unholy servitude to the Lord of Hatred. Inarius himself was bound with tremendous chains as the wings were slowly torn from his back. Great barbed hooks were then used to stretch out his once glowing skin and his features were distorted by the vile powers of The Three. Hephasto, one of the weapon smiths of Inarius that was corrupted by Mephisto, rose through the ranks of Hell to become a master armorer for the forces of darkness. While his place at the fires of the Hellforge is coveted amongst jealous Overlords, none dare cross swords with him lest he take the anguish of his lost glory out upon their bloated bodies.
Hey man I just remembered a question you asked sometime ago on a separate topic and I think it's more than worthy of being quoted here.
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How do the Spirits of the natural world (Sanctuary) relate to Trag'Oul?
Druids can talk to animals and plants and even commune with the supreme Spirits of Nature. I would really like someone such as Knaak to write a book based on the Druids and the Spirits of Sanctuary. They must be similar to Trag'Oul - created with Sanctuary and likely unknown to the High Heavens or Burning Hells. Trag'Oul is the sentient guardian of Sanctuary, so he must be in league with the Spirits too. But are the spirits below, equal or of higher power than him? Trag'Oul actually seems kind of weak. Well, powerful in his own realm, but it takes so much of his strength to interfere with Sanctuary. Does this mean that the Spirits have their own realm of existence too? And how do the spirits relate to the Worldstone? Surely they must have something to say about it.
In the past I thought that the Druids must be connected to Trag'Oul just like the Necromancers are, but then I realised that they have these Spirits of Nature, which seem to be similar to Trag'Oul but not quite the same.
Its also interesting to note that Priests of Rathma are able to commune with spirits of all the people and even creatures who have died in the area, but are unable to commune with the spirits of animals and plants. Clearly there is a distinct difference between spirits of nature and spirits of deceased creatures. Though I fail to see what that difference is, exactly.
In case anyone wishes to check the full discussion which developed on the question, please see this page and I'd suggest that unless someone has a definite answer to this, please carry on the discussion there.
Are the Durance of Hate, the Guardian Tower, the Temple of Light, and the Ruins of Mephisto's Temples, just different names for the same place?
They have all been referred to as the place that Mephisto was imprisoned in (except the last one), respectively, in the zone map, the quest log, the Act 3 cimematic (referred to by Tyrael), and the map of Sanctuary in the D2 manual.
I believe that the Durance of Hate is a level within the Guardian Tower, and the tower is part of the Temple of Light. So yeha, basically the same place.
However, Mephisto's Temple is a different location, further south. Apparently its an old temple that was built back in the early years of the Sin War. Can't say when for sure, but its definitely a different place to the Guardian Tower.
Oh yeah, and thanks for reminding me about that thread, Angellium. I'll email Knaak about that now, I never got around to it last time lol.
How come we can dig in the ground and find hell in Diablo 1 if sanctuary is hidden (and not linked to hell) ?
SANCTUARY IS NO LONGER HIDDEN FROM HELL
about you being able to find hell in the ground, it's probably a normal portal to hell (i dont know how it got there and who made it
SANCTUARY IS NO LONGER HIDDEN FROM HELL
about you being able to find hell in the ground, it's probably a normal portal to hell (i dont know how it got there and who made it
huh... It was hidden in diablo 1.......
And I see no portals in diablo 1.... Wtf dude, really...
And I see no portals in diablo 1.... Wtf dude, really...
it wasnt, how would the Prime evils be in Sanctuary if it was??
and in the expansion i think there is a crack that leads to hell (i havent played it, i've seen my friend play it tho) somewhere in the outskirts of Tristram
And I see no portals in diablo 1.... Wtf dude, really...
Easy man...just trying to answer the question.
Are you sure it is actually "hell" we fight diablo in in the first one? I know we fight him in hell in the second but a portal is opened for us to get there. If I remember right...it isn't hell in d1...just Diablo's lair that he has had PLENTY of time to turn into a seemingly "hellish" atmosphere...but I could be totally wrong...
it wasnt, how would the Prime evils be in Sanctuary if it was??
and in the expansion i think there is a crack that leads to hell (i havent played it, i've seen my friend play it tho) somewhere in the outskirts of Tristram
Sanctuary WAS hidden from hell in diablo 1, Sanctuary was hidden from hell since it's creation because of the worldstone.
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Easy man...just trying to answer the question.
Are you sure it is actually "hell" we fight diablo in in the first one? I know we fight him in hell in the second but a portal is opened for us to get there. If I remember right...it isn't hell in d1...just Diablo's lair that he has had PLENTY of time to turn into a seemingly "hellish" atmosphere...but I could be totally wrong...
I don't know if it is actually hell, maybe some people on this forum can confirm it ?
Oh and sry, I said WTF dude to that guy and his CAPS.
Sanctuary WAS hidden from hell in diablo 1, Sanctuary was hidden from hell since it's creation because of the worldstone.
I don't know if it is actually hell, maybe some people on this forum can confirm it ?
im sorry dude but you are wrong, there comes one point where (in the novels i think) that Liliith did something To Trag'Oul or Rathma (damn i cant remember anything) that brought him down to the level where he can no longer cloak Sanctuary from Hell or Heaven, (he came with the worldstone)
The answer is: Unknown. Since the beginning of time Evil has always existed, as does Good. Evil and Good are based upon the conscience of all living things, judgment if you may call it. This being Evil as the 7 Evils of the Burning Hells and Good as the Agiris Council of the High Heavens
woah... that basicallly amounts to nothing
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When the Prime Evils are destroyed, it is mentioned by Tyrael that they have been "sent back to the black abyss that spawned them". So apparently they were spawned from the black abyss - whatever that is.
There is also knowledge of another world that is above both Heaven and Hell, just as Heaven and Hell are above Sanctuary. We don't know anything of this world except that there are extremely powerful beings called Dreamers that come from it (that look like toads), as described in Legacy of Blood. I really can't tell you much about them. They made it sound like this higher world is the one that created Heaven and Hell and are the ones who keep the balance between them. Kind of like fate, I think.
So it is possible that these Dreamers or someone else from their world created the black abyss that spawned the Prime Evils. Possible, but not confirmed.
There's an official thread for asking lore questions, I'll merge this with that one.
This is the original lore regarding the Overlords. The Sin War changed this a bit, however, so now we aren't too sure on their origin now.
Note here the mention of 'anguish'. Andariel is the Maiden of Anguish, so it is fitting that The Smith would be with her.
In case anyone wishes to check the full discussion which developed on the question, please see this page and I'd suggest that unless someone has a definite answer to this, please carry on the discussion there.
They have all been referred to as the place that Mephisto was imprisoned in (except the last one), respectively, in the zone map, the quest log, the Act 3 cimematic (referred to by Tyrael), and the map of Sanctuary in the D2 manual.
However, Mephisto's Temple is a different location, further south. Apparently its an old temple that was built back in the early years of the Sin War. Can't say when for sure, but its definitely a different place to the Guardian Tower.
Oh yeah, and thanks for reminding me about that thread, Angellium. I'll email Knaak about that now, I never got around to it last time lol.
Besides the fact that Diablo took ideas from Christianity, how is the cross related to the Zakarum and the angels?
http://www.sc2armory.com/
Sister sites.
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Angiris_Council
It was a portal that Diablo opened...
SANCTUARY IS NO LONGER HIDDEN FROM HELL
about you being able to find hell in the ground, it's probably a normal portal to hell (i dont know how it got there and who made it
huh... It was hidden in diablo 1.......
And I see no portals in diablo 1.... Wtf dude, really...
it wasnt, how would the Prime evils be in Sanctuary if it was??
and in the expansion i think there is a crack that leads to hell (i havent played it, i've seen my friend play it tho) somewhere in the outskirts of Tristram
Easy man...just trying to answer the question.
Are you sure it is actually "hell" we fight diablo in in the first one? I know we fight him in hell in the second but a portal is opened for us to get there. If I remember right...it isn't hell in d1...just Diablo's lair that he has had PLENTY of time to turn into a seemingly "hellish" atmosphere...but I could be totally wrong...
Sanctuary WAS hidden from hell in diablo 1, Sanctuary was hidden from hell since it's creation because of the worldstone.
I don't know if it is actually hell, maybe some people on this forum can confirm it ?
Oh and sry, I said WTF dude to that guy and his CAPS.
im sorry dude but you are wrong, there comes one point where (in the novels i think) that Liliith did something To Trag'Oul or Rathma (damn i cant remember anything) that brought him down to the level where he can no longer cloak Sanctuary from Hell or Heaven, (he came with the worldstone)