So what did I get for my Bday? Oh not much, an F5 and a couple other tornadoes. Plus 5 days of no power. Well.... at least I still have my house and all my stuff in some form of order.
Extra unrelated note: They got Bin la din (honestly dunno how his name is spelled) not that it matters now. Bwahahahahahahaha!
Try celebrating your birthday on Christmas every year. You'd learn very quick that its just like any other day. Just be happy that you were born and most of all thank your parents.
You are just whining and assigning too much value to a random date on the calendar. There are a lot more people than days out there, it's impossible for some natural event to occur without it being someone's birthday.
My bday is in the fall, I celebrate it in the summer because it's more convenient.
"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Nopes, Acid is completely and absolutely right at this point in time given the current knowledge and using the most rudimentary form of logic and common sense there is- something which any human must be capable of but is unwilling to.
As much as I am a believer, there is not a thread of evidence for God's existence.
Deal with it.
Nopes, Acid is completely and absolutely right at this point in time given the current knowledge and using the most rudimentary form of logic and common sense there is- something which any human must be capable of but is unwilling to.
As much as I am a believer, there is not a thread of evidence for God's existence.
Deal with it.
Wait...how did we even get there?
Bleh.
If God were to show up on Jay Leno, then the entire concept of "believing" would be thrown out the window and sin would practically be non-existent, rendering the entire concept of "believers go here, sinners and non-believers go there" null and rendering the entire concept of creating mankind to worship me [God] because I've granted them the gift of life despite the fact that I haven't shown up on The Ellen Degeneres show, completely invalid.
Nopes, Acid is completely and absolutely right at this point in time given the current knowledge and using the most rudimentary form of logic and common sense there is- something which any human must be capable of but is unwilling to.
As much as I am a believer, there is not a thread of evidence for God's existence.
Deal with it.
Wait...how did we even get there?
Bleh.
No offense Nekro but maybe you need to do some acid to expand your limitations of thinking. I didn't peg you for an "inside of the box" kind of guy. I'm disappointed.
Also, for the record, you fail to understand what I mean by knowledge. Even if there was no proof, you would still not have knowledge of such a thing.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Using primitive logic doesn't mean anything true according to such logic is, in fact, true.
Real life could care less about your scientific method.
Primitive?
Do you understand what the word 'rudimentary' means? I cannot comprehend that first sentence anyway so I might be the one misunderstanding. You might need to rephrase it.
Most importantly, logic and common sense do NOT automatically require science/ scientific method as a medium to exist. Real life would laugh in your face for thinking or implying so.
If God were to show up on Jay Leno, then the entire concept of "believing" would be thrown out the window and sin would practically be non-existent, rendering the entire concept of "believers go here, sinners and non-believers go there" null and rendering the entire concept of creating mankind to worship me [God] because I've granted them the gift of life despite the fact that I haven't shown up on The Ellen Degeneres show, completely invalid.
This is called rationalization. Not evidence. Like I said, there is no evidence.
Saying God wants it to be so simply doesn't cut it out. Just replace 'God' by the 'spaghetti monster' or 'Santa Claus' and you can say the exact same thing to justify or guess at the latter's existence.
Bottom line- no evidence(at this point in time) means no existence (at this point in time).
No offense Nekro but maybe you need to do some acid to expand your limitations of thinking. I didn't peg you for an "inside of the box" kind of guy. I'm disappointed.
Also, for the record, you fail to understand what I mean by knowledge. Even if there was no proof, you would still not have knowledge of such a thing.
Keep cool. I'll overlook your insults just this once though.
Nice try, making that twist on the word knowledge when you've so conveniently overlooked the fact that I said I'm a believer. If you hadn't, the discussion would have been more interesting that just a point-and-say- "You no agree. You bad."
And you clearly have no knowledge that the spaghetti monster, the giant grasshopper on the moon, Santa Claus and the gremlins do not exist. See how easy that was?
If your 'knowledge' is formed from imagination and faith, then good luck with it.
I'm happy though that you've at least acknowledged the fact there is no proof.
I made no twist on the word knowledge. I simply presume a more intimate understand of the word from a philosophical point of view. Think John Locke.
To have knowledge of something like the existence of god you would pretty much need to be a god. Understand that I'm choosing my words very carefully.
And I made no assertion as to whether there was, or was not proof. I'm merely pointing out that perspective is very important. Even proof is a relative term.
Abstract thought is more important to our understanding of the world than you might think.
And, I don't care what you believe in. That does not concern me. Whether you are atheist or catholic I would present the same information.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
God is all that there is. All that there is, is infinity. Infinity is also you and me and that ant over there and that big tree outside and even your monitor. If you look at a fire you can see infinity in some physical form that we can grasp. If god is infinite, then the universe is infinite too. If the universe is infinite then it means there is no such thing as this or that does not exist. So this could mean that even every thought or imaginary perspective you ever had, is actually a possible reality.
If everything is a possible reality, then it means that you are infinitely creating infinite realities inside your head using your infinite imagination. Doesnt that sound god-like?
God is all that there is. All that there is, is infinity. Infinity is also you and me and that ant over there and that big tree outside and even your monitor. If you look at a fire you can see infinity in some physical form that we can grasp. If god is infinite, then the universe is infinite too. If the universe is infinite then it means there is no such thing as this or that does not exist. So this could mean that even every thought or imaginary perspective you ever had, is actually a possible reality.
If everything is a possible reality, then it means that you are infinitely creating infinite realities inside your head using your infinite imagination. Doesnt that sound god-like?
You are god.
Thanks you.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I made no twist on the word knowledge. I simply presume a more intimate understand of the word from a philosophical point of view. Think John Locke.
Oh yeah, John Locke. How could I have overlooked him...
My bad, my bad.
To have knowledge of something like the existence of god you would pretty much need to be a god. Understand that I'm choosing my words very carefully.
Choose more carefully then.
There is no evidence of God's existence. That IS the current and accurate knowledge on the matter.
Anything else is you being very imaginative and using philosophy as refuge.
And I made no assertion as to whether there was, or was not proof. I'm merely pointing out that perspective is very important. Even proof is a relative term.
Yes, words are relative.... What a brilliantly magical counter-argument. If there was even a point of contention with the term 'proof' here, I would at least hand you that but there is none except the one you've created in your mind. Read up on what you wrote in the previous post. I will write what you mentioned again just so you can keep track- 'even if there was no proof...'.
Nothing gets more circular and mundane than discussing with someone claiming they are open-minded but who are obviously operating within a fixed mind set.
God exists. That is your box. Everything that comes inside that box, you'll break it down and rationalize it to preserve and protect your thoughts.
I will give you some friendly advice that are you are familiar with- Think outside the box.
You are not ready yet though so that advice will go unheeded.
Abstract thought is more important to our understanding of the world than you might think.
Why not. I'll have a try-
Ice cream and cookies are more important to the world than you might think. I hope that sounded mysteriously important enough to stand as an actual point.
And, I don't care what you believe in. That does not concern me. Whether you are atheist or catholic I would present the same information.
You better start caring. That would have saved you from cheaply throwing petty insults my way to comfort your thoughts on God and all the philosophy you've dredged up around it.
I understand where you could get the idea that you might know what I believe. But you don't.
I'm no philosophy major. Nor do I claim to know all there is to know about it. But I do readily believe that the 6 or so philosophy courses I have taken and ongoing personal study of the subject have shown me how scarce a thing like knowledge really is.
Label me however you want but the concepts I present to you have been taught for several centuries and are worth a listen. But by all means continue to mock what you do not understand.
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Even if you were a philosophy major, it would have changed nothing.
I'm not mocking anything. Those concepts do so by their own accord- their supposed complexity does nothing in hiding their insubstantiality. Especially since I apparently need acid to understand them, I am now pretty sure they are worthless as well.
People have taught and believed for quite a bit of time that the Earth was flat which just shows that your centuries could as well be days as far as evidence goes. If it has been around long enough, it has to be true, right?
Yes I know, 'true' is a relative term.
Acid said God does not exist. He is absolutely and perfectly right. There is no evidence for it.
Suit yourself. Truth is not relative. It is the complete opposite. That is why it is such a rare thing. And knowledge, even more so.
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Not really. By definition, truth cannot be relative. That's what makes it a "truth". No matter who perceives the truth, it will always remain the same.
A square will always have 4 equal lengths that make it up. A square can never be defined in any other manner. Then, it is no longer a square. No matter who perceives that, it will always remain the same because it lives within a definition of specific boundaries set forth by mathematics. That is a truth.
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
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Extra unrelated note: They got Bin la din (honestly dunno how his name is spelled) not that it matters now. Bwahahahahahahaha!
You are just whining and assigning too much value to a random date on the calendar. There are a lot more people than days out there, it's impossible for some natural event to occur without it being someone's birthday.
My bday is in the fall, I celebrate it in the summer because it's more convenient.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Nopes, Acid is completely and absolutely right at this point in time given the current knowledge and using the most rudimentary form of logic and common sense there is- something which any human must be capable of but is unwilling to.
As much as I am a believer, there is not a thread of evidence for God's existence.
Deal with it.
Wait...how did we even get there?
Bleh.
Real life could care less about your scientific method.
If God were to show up on Jay Leno, then the entire concept of "believing" would be thrown out the window and sin would practically be non-existent, rendering the entire concept of "believers go here, sinners and non-believers go there" null and rendering the entire concept of creating mankind to worship me [God] because I've granted them the gift of life despite the fact that I haven't shown up on The Ellen Degeneres show, completely invalid.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
No offense Nekro but maybe you need to do some acid to expand your limitations of thinking. I didn't peg you for an "inside of the box" kind of guy. I'm disappointed.
Also, for the record, you fail to understand what I mean by knowledge. Even if there was no proof, you would still not have knowledge of such a thing.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Do you understand what the word 'rudimentary' means? I cannot comprehend that first sentence anyway so I might be the one misunderstanding. You might need to rephrase it.
Most importantly, logic and common sense do NOT automatically require science/ scientific method as a medium to exist. Real life would laugh in your face for thinking or implying so.
This is called rationalization. Not evidence. Like I said, there is no evidence.
Saying God wants it to be so simply doesn't cut it out. Just replace 'God' by the 'spaghetti monster' or 'Santa Claus' and you can say the exact same thing to justify or guess at the latter's existence.
Bottom line- no evidence(at this point in time) means no existence (at this point in time).
Keep cool. I'll overlook your insults just this once though.
Nice try, making that twist on the word knowledge when you've so conveniently overlooked the fact that I said I'm a believer. If you hadn't, the discussion would have been more interesting that just a point-and-say- "You no agree. You bad."
And you clearly have no knowledge that the spaghetti monster, the giant grasshopper on the moon, Santa Claus and the gremlins do not exist. See how easy that was?
If your 'knowledge' is formed from imagination and faith, then good luck with it.
I'm happy though that you've at least acknowledged the fact there is no proof.
To have knowledge of something like the existence of god you would pretty much need to be a god. Understand that I'm choosing my words very carefully.
And I made no assertion as to whether there was, or was not proof. I'm merely pointing out that perspective is very important. Even proof is a relative term.
Abstract thought is more important to our understanding of the world than you might think.
And, I don't care what you believe in. That does not concern me. Whether you are atheist or catholic I would present the same information.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
If everything is a possible reality, then it means that you are infinitely creating infinite realities inside your head using your infinite imagination. Doesnt that sound god-like?
You are god.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
My bad, my bad.
Choose more carefully then.
There is no evidence of God's existence. That IS the current and accurate knowledge on the matter.
Anything else is you being very imaginative and using philosophy as refuge.
Yes, words are relative.... What a brilliantly magical counter-argument. If there was even a point of contention with the term 'proof' here, I would at least hand you that but there is none except the one you've created in your mind. Read up on what you wrote in the previous post. I will write what you mentioned again just so you can keep track- 'even if there was no proof...'.
Nothing gets more circular and mundane than discussing with someone claiming they are open-minded but who are obviously operating within a fixed mind set.
God exists. That is your box. Everything that comes inside that box, you'll break it down and rationalize it to preserve and protect your thoughts.
I will give you some friendly advice that are you are familiar with- Think outside the box.
You are not ready yet though so that advice will go unheeded.
Why not. I'll have a try-
Ice cream and cookies are more important to the world than you might think. I hope that sounded mysteriously important enough to stand as an actual point.
You better start caring. That would have saved you from cheaply throwing petty insults my way to comfort your thoughts on God and all the philosophy you've dredged up around it.
I'm no philosophy major. Nor do I claim to know all there is to know about it. But I do readily believe that the 6 or so philosophy courses I have taken and ongoing personal study of the subject have shown me how scarce a thing like knowledge really is.
Label me however you want but the concepts I present to you have been taught for several centuries and are worth a listen. But by all means continue to mock what you do not understand.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I'm not mocking anything. Those concepts do so by their own accord- their supposed complexity does nothing in hiding their insubstantiality. Especially since I apparently need acid to understand them, I am now pretty sure they are worthless as well.
People have taught and believed for quite a bit of time that the Earth was flat which just shows that your centuries could as well be days as far as evidence goes. If it has been around long enough, it has to be true, right?
Yes I know, 'true' is a relative term.
Acid said God does not exist. He is absolutely and perfectly right. There is no evidence for it.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
A square will always have 4 equal lengths that make it up. A square can never be defined in any other manner. Then, it is no longer a square. No matter who perceives that, it will always remain the same because it lives within a definition of specific boundaries set forth by mathematics. That is a truth.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged