Kripp and Alkaizer talk about Diablo 3

  • #1
    Alkaizer joins Kripp on his stream to talk about a variety of topics, one of which was their thoughts on Diablo 3. Kripp has made his views on Diablo 3 known, but this is the first time we get to hear Alkaizer's thoughts on the game after he was the first to reach paragon 100.




    Edit: I didn't post this video to cause controversy or raise an argument. I like both of these guys, as well as Diablo 3. Like them, and all of you, I just want the best possible version of Diablo 3.
  • #2
    Thanks for posting, it just reminds me again why I don't like these people. Extreme elitist behavior, all this "I want more complexity", "I hate casuals", "Blizzard is shit they just want to make money" (HAHAHAHA and this coming from people who made thousands just through a Blizzard game?), and the worst thing in the end: "just throw some random shit out and let people like me take the shit abilities and turn it into something awesome". Well, guess what, whenever I see these "uber players" like Kripp and co. they play the same stupid boring builds that everyone and their dog is using, why doesn't he just take one of the shit abilities in D3 and create a build around it? He certainly has the time, gear, and resources.

    It's so sad that people actually help them earning money.
  • #3
    thanks for sharing
  • #4
    @Bagstone, truth hurts. Deal with it.
  • #5
    Shows how misinformed he is imo. Doesn't know why the pony level was fun.. Because of them.
  • #6
    Professor Doctor Kripp - Master of pseudo-scientific Path of Excel BS! This guy is just hilarious.
  • #7
    Quote from Bagstone

    Thanks for posting, it just reminds me again why I don't like these people. Extreme elitist behavior, all this "I want more complexity", "I hate casuals", "Blizzard is shit they just want to make money" (HAHAHAHA and this coming from people who made thousands just through a Blizzard game?), and the worst thing in the end: "just throw some random shit out and let people like me take the shit abilities and turn it into something awesome". Well, guess what, whenever I see these "uber players" like Kripp and co. they play the same stupid boring builds that everyone and their dog is using, why doesn't he just take one of the shit abilities in D3 and create a build around it? He certainly has the time, gear, and resources.

    It's so sad that people actually help them earning money.


    Completely agree, these two are asshats, and complete hypocrites.
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  • #8
    That's cool, and they're very entitled to their own opinion. Doesn't necessarily mean their opinions carry more weight than anyone else's.

    Fact of the matter is that its currently hip and cool to hate on D3, so these 2 will get a lot of "likes" and "follows". I'm not just talking about real criticisms of real problems, I'm talking about 95% of people who complain about the game on forums are going out of their way to make things up just to be upset and negative about.

    What I don't really get is the game is $60 dollars, has no subscription and has no micro-transactions. A typical game will give you anywhere from 40-80 hours of game play (guesstimate) and then its over. People like these guys have hundreds if not thousands of hours into D3, and then they talk about how much of a garbage game it is and whatnot. How do you put 100s of hours into a game if its "one of the biggest failures ever"?

    And then to compare D3 to PoE is laughable. I can't directly criticize PoE because it is free to play, so it is what it is, but compared to D3 the game is rubbish.
  • #9
    Quote from Bagstone

    Thanks for posting, it just reminds me again why I don't like these people. Extreme elitist behavior, all this "I want more complexity", "I hate casuals", "Blizzard is shit they just want to make money" (HAHAHAHA and this coming from people who made thousands just through a Blizzard game?), and the worst thing in the end: "just throw some random shit out and let people like me take the shit abilities and turn it into something awesome". Well, guess what, whenever I see these "uber players" like Kripp and co. they play the same stupid boring builds that everyone and their dog is using, why doesn't he just take one of the shit abilities in D3 and create a build around it? He certainly has the time, gear, and resources.

    It's so sad that people actually help them earning money.


    Obviously you're just venting frustration but..

    You're criticizing two very smart personalities who are one of the few that hasn't given into the money and genuinely play games out of passion and won't accept half assed maneuvers. Trying to argue that either of these people are anything less than important pioneers of d3 is silly.

    People who are very successful in the gaming community are either smart and extremely good at what they do, they have a very exploitable personality that anyone can manipulate to cause drama or the key feature of the stream is to distract the viewer from half ass content and instead reward them as frequently as possible with treats. I would like to see valid arguments that these two persons fit into any other description than the first one.

    The video itself answers your question regarding building specs around shitty abilities. Its impossible to make something out of nothing, because of the chickenshit team refuses to add anything that isn't tested for months instead of making sure people have things to do and figure out what needs to be changed after smarter more active people have had a chance to test it out.
  • #10
    Quote from Strafir

    Quote from Bagstone

    Thanks for posting, it just reminds me again why I don't like these people. Extreme elitist behavior, all this "I want more complexity", "I hate casuals", "Blizzard is shit they just want to make money" (HAHAHAHA and this coming from people who made thousands just through a Blizzard game?), and the worst thing in the end: "just throw some random shit out and let people like me take the shit abilities and turn it into something awesome". Well, guess what, whenever I see these "uber players" like Kripp and co. they play the same stupid boring builds that everyone and their dog is using, why doesn't he just take one of the shit abilities in D3 and create a build around it? He certainly has the time, gear, and resources.

    It's so sad that people actually help them earning money.


    Obviously you're just venting frustration but..

    You're criticizing two very smart personalities who are one of the few that hasn't given into the money and genuinely play games out of passion and won't accept half assed maneuvers. Trying to argue that either of these people are anything less than important pioneers of d3 is silly.

    People who are very successful in the gaming community are either smart and extremely good at what they do, they have a very exploitable personality that anyone can manipulate to cause drama or the key feature of the stream is to distract the viewer from half ass content and instead reward them as frequently as possible with treats. I would like to see valid arguments that these two persons fit into any other description than the first one.

    The video itself answers your question regarding building specs around shitty abilities. Its impossible to make something out of nothing, because of the chickenshit team refuses to add anything that isn't tested for months instead of making sure people have things to do and figure out what needs to be changed after smarter more active people have had a chance to test it out.


    Congratulations, you're a text book example of exactly what the person you quoted is talking about.
  • #11
    Quote from LeChokeJames

    Congratulations, you're a text book example of exactly what the person you quoted is talking about.


    Could you please expand abit?
  • #12
    Both of these guys clearly have a lot of knowledge but I don't feel like they represent the core of DiabloFANS. I'd much rather hear what the mods on this site have to say then these two know it alls.
  • #13
    Quote from Nodnarb

    Both of these guys clearly have a lot of knowledge but I don't feel like they represent the core of DiabloFANS. I'd much rather hear what the mods on this site have to say then these two know it alls.


    So much this, I can't give you enough +1s for that. Seriously! Amen, brotha!

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    Quote from Strafir

    You're criticizing two very smart personalities who are one of the few that hasn't given into the money and genuinely play games out of passion and won't accept half assed maneuvers. Trying to argue that either of these people are anything less than important pioneers of d3 is silly.


    Are YOU serious? Haven't given into the money? Kripparian makes tons of money streaming. Don't be so foolish to think that he's a "genuine gamer." From the very beginning he's been playing all you people to get as much revenue as possible. It's called pandering and he's a master of it. If he thought that his fans wanted to hear that Whimsyshire was a good place to go and masturbate for 27 hours at a time then he'd make a video about that and laugh his way to the bank while all his puppets post about how amazing Whimsyshire is.

    If you really think that Kripp isn't driven by the money he makes being who he is then you're so indescribably naive that I'm not sure what to say to you other than you are his exact target audience.
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  • #14
    Quote from LeChokeJames
    And then to compare D3 to PoE is laughable. I can't directly criticize PoE because it is free to play, so it is what it is, but compared to D3 the game is rubbish.


    Amen, bro. And because PoE is rubbish - gameplay-, graphics- and otherwise - it has to cater to these pseudo-scientific, self-proclaimed "pro gamer" types who for sure know how to exploit the countless imbalances.

    "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." - It fits so perfectly how these two guys earn their money.
  • #15
    Quote from shaggy

    Quote from Nodnarb

    Both of these guys clearly have a lot of knowledge but I don't feel like they represent the core of DiabloFANS. I'd much rather hear what the mods on this site have to say then these two know it alls.


    So much this, I can't give you enough +1s for that. Seriously! Amen, brotha!

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    Quote from Strafir

    You're criticizing two very smart personalities who are one of the few that hasn't given into the money and genuinely play games out of passion and won't accept half assed maneuvers. Trying to argue that either of these people are anything less than important pioneers of d3 is silly.


    Are YOU serious? Haven't given into the money? Kripparian makes tons of money streaming. Don't be so foolish to think that he's a "genuine gamer." From the very beginning he's been playing all you people to get as much revenue as possible. It's called pandering and he's a master of it. If he thought that his fans wanted to hear that Whimsyshire was a good place to go and masturbate for 27 hours at a time then he'd make a video about that and laugh his way to the bank while all his puppets post about how amazing Whimsyshire is.

    If you really think that Kripp isn't driven by the money he makes being who he is then you're so indescribably naive that I'm not sure what to say to you other than you are his exact target audience.



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    That is all....... I will now leave this thread for I do not want to be exposed to anymore ass kissing of these gaming "superstars".

    To hear the first man to reach para 100 espouse an opinion that the game isn't fun......that's fucking insane and dysfunctional. Yeah....play the game like a zombie for hundreds and hundreds of hours and then complain about how fun it isn't.

    Go jack off with shards of glass you stupid fucks.
  • #16
    Quote from shaggy

    Are YOU serious? Haven't given into the money? Kripparian makes tons of money streaming. Don't be so foolish to think that he's a "genuine gamer." From the very beginning he's been playing all you people to get as much revenue as possible. It's called pandering and he's a master of it. If he thought that his fans wanted to hear that Whimsyshire was a good place to go and masturbate for 27 hours at a time then he'd make a video about that and laugh his way to the bank while all his puppets post about how amazing Whimsyshire is.

    If you really think that Kripp isn't driven by the money he makes being who he is then you're so indescribably naive that I'm not sure what to say to you other than you are his exact target audience.


    Your standards for calling someone a cheat and saying that they have no business calling themselves genuine according to that post seem to end when you stream which is outrageous to say the least. I never denied him making money, but he does for a good reason, a reason that is more pure than almost any popular streamer out there.

    Popularity is not a valid reason to avoid discussions regarding an inferior game, even if that game made you, in fact I would find it more offensive if he completely ignored it and did not bother filling in why he suddenly quit a game he was planning to play for years to come.

    It hardly makes it his fault if haters use him as a reference in the childish manner they do.

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  • #17
    Quote from ruksak

    Go jack off with shards of glass you stupid fucks.


    I literally just laughed out loud with that one.

    To topic,

    Who freaking cares what they think. Only thing that matters to me is what I think. I like the game, I think its going in the right direction and if some epeen pro thinks different who really gives a shit. Ever think he wants the game to survive to continue his cashcow he created in Diablo3. No...he is doing this for the love of the game and the thoughtfullness of his heart...yeah right. Couldnt be to keep his name out there....Blizzard does this and they are the devil reincanated..kripp does it and he is a god...pfft.
  • #18
    I personally like D3. I don't play as much as I did but still its great to come home to and slay some baddies.

    Sure, PoE has some great features but I'm over the days playing games with terrible graphics.


    As for Kripp and Alk, I could care less what they say about the game. Big whoop, one beat diablo before a patch, one lvled to 100 paragon first doing 16 hour days for a few weeks. /ignored
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  • #20
    I never denied him making money, but he does for a good reason, a reason that is more pure than almost any popular streamer out there.


    Uh... you just did a few posts before. -
    You're criticizing two very smart personalities who are one of the few that hasn't given into the money and genuinely play games out of passion and won't accept half assed maneuvers.


    People who are very successful in the gaming community are either smart and extremely good at what they do


    And I guess that gives them the right to be douchebags and make fun of everybody else who enjoys this game. Go play Path of Exile or Torchlight 2 then if you think this game is hopeless. Goodbye and good riddance. Leave the rest of us alone.

    Because we'll see you in 10 years when D4 comes out, chode.
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  • #21
    Just for the record, I'm all for this discussion as long as it doesn't become a flame/troll fest. Bear that in mind, and keep an open mind to new ideas. Attack these ideas, not the people defending them ;) That goes for both sides of the discussion.

    I haven't watched the videos yet, but I have a strong bias against these sort of "elitist" players and tend to heavily agree with Bagstone. Neither of them invented the wheel, they both got solid ideas from forums (strong affixes like LoH, builds, paths, etc.) and made a name out of it.

    People seem to think these are awesome guys and that they have insane game knowledge when they usually just have tons of free dedicated time (so they're obviously going to be top-end and insanely powerful players) and some more free time to check forums/youtube/streams for good ideas while they're at it.

    Also, I can't bear to see these people behaving like they're the most important players of the fanbase (hint: they aren't) and the rest is crap, and all changes should be made to fit their own playstyle. All they want is "moar end-game, moar challenges. moar difficult things that nobody can do without putting 5k hours into it so I can prove that I'm oh-so-good".

    Kripparian in particular seems to be quite bad at anything that's even remotely competitive that doesn't involve putting in 5k hours for the guaranteed advantage. I've checked him stream a couple times while PvPing on PoE, and even on a game that's he's supposedly so good, he seems to get stomped around by other people "using OP stuff". If he wants so desperately to prove he's so good and hardcore at games, why not play something like DotA 2, LoL or SC2, where your opponents actually have brains, instead of being just random codes.

    People like Kripparian, Athene and Force wanted an "end-game grind" so badly in order to "have a reason to play", and then proceeded to never enjoy it. They want "customization systems" so badly but don't try multiple characters or inventing new builds. IIRC Force went as far as saying "I don't enjoy the game anymore because I used the RMAH", I can't even begin to understand that. I honestly find that sort of attitude weird and quite ignorant.

    As far as the PoE vs D3 debate goes: I see D3 as a heavy-action focused game with pretty decent combat (good positioning, proper management of cooldowns, very fluid) and "weaker", simplified (debatable, though) RPG elements; and PoE as a more heavy-RPG (elements) focused game, with a lot less focus on "combat management".

    As soon as people who dislike D3 for those design-choices realize that they're just that, design choices that don't fit their personal playstyle (aka a very complex RPG system with very traditional RPG elements), the sooner they're going to be at peace with themselves. Same goes for those who dislike PoE. People need to learn what diversity and preference really mean - as there's no such thing as "better" in such a world.
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