The truth about monster power, just a guy telling the truth

  • #1
    I know some things can get overly convoluted and confusing as we go further into the think tank, but I'm here to make one thing clear. If you have to stop at ANY point in time, other than to look at items and decide which are worth picking up, then you shouldn't be using monster power. The proof is in the numbers.

    If the difference between farming MP0 and MP3 is that MP3 actualy challenges you and you have to spend any amount of time killing things beyond just walking through them, you should just be farming MP0, the bonuses of MP3 are EXTREMELY outweighed by the fact you are not moving nonstop.

    For those of us with gear, it is best to find the monster power where you begin to stop while killing, then use 1 less. This will maximize your farm.

    Ill repeat in all caps, USING MOSTER POWER IS ACTUALY NETTING YOU LESS FARM OVER ALL IF WHILE USING IT YOU HAVE TO STOP AT ---A N Y--- POINT IN TIME! (other than to look at items)

    Edit for clarification:

    Wizards: this means anything beyond stutterstepping, and NEVER backtracking other than to pick up items

    Monks: this means anything other than tempest rushing through everything and 1 shotting it

    Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)

    Demonhunters: this means that the only time syou shouldnt be vaulting is when your 1 shotting things.

    Wichdoctors: I have no idea how you play, but you should also never stop
  • #2
    If you are going for pure efficiency, yup, you are correct, only farm MP levels you can blitz through.

    However, what if you just want the challenge? Or if you are hunting for keys?
  • #3
    edit: What am I even talking about? I don't know. Read the threads thoroughly overneathe.

    Ha. Bagstone.

  • #4
    Sooooo... what happened to playing the game for fun/for the challenge? Oo;
  • #5
    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game
  • #6
    Quote from Cryomatic

    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game


    If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?

    *the answer is no

    You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.
  • #7
    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game


    If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?

    *the answer is no

    You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.


    at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec
  • #8
    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game


    If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?

    *the answer is no

    You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.


    at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec


    Eh...... maybe.

    WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.

    Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.

    The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.
  • #9
    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game


    If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?

    *the answer is no

    You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.


    at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec


    Eh...... maybe.

    WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.

    Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.

    The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.


    show me, i want to see
  • #10
    @ Cryo

    http://us.battle.net...6/hero/16884320

    This guy is awesome, have been in a few games with him.

    http://us.battle.net...59/hero/6395374

    I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.

    Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.
  • #11
    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    you realise that if you ww once and thing die you probably wont get enough rage to sprint and keep berserk? so youll be slower.
    if you raise the mp you can do better by WWing thrue mobs dropping tornadoes and goin quicker in berserker

    for barbarian, your thing might work on paper but it doesnt in game


    If you kill stuff with a single spin of WW, do you even NEED to maintain infinite WoTB?

    *the answer is no

    You just respec your skills to provide you with more general damage.


    at this point you shouldnt even use a WW spec


    Eh...... maybe.

    WW has alot of viable uses outside of infinite WoTB.

    Dont think for a second that infinite WoTB is the only reason to use WW, constant crits and the exceedingly high AOE hit rate benefit a variety of Barb builds a great deal.

    The best Barbs I have seen dont just blindly spec to flavor of the month.


    show me, i want to see


    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Cobearz-1638/hero/884698


    Not WW. ^^
  • #12
    Quote from AudioCG

    @ Cryo

    http://us.battle.net...6/hero/16884320

    This guy is awesome, have been in a few games with him.

    http://us.battle.net...59/hero/6395374

    I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.

    Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.


    cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt be optimal
  • #13
    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    @ Cryo

    http://us.battle.net...6/hero/16884320

    This guy is awesome, have been in a few games with him.

    http://us.battle.net...59/hero/6395374

    I have talked with this guy a bunch, he is a murder machine.

    Im working on digging up more, have to dig through post history.


    cant see it goin on, i cant see em 1 shotting using ww and i cant see their efficiency either, im sure they are strong and im sure they hurt but i think we were talking about op saying that WW 1 shotting at mp0 being the most efficient way to go vs me saying it wouldnt work so good


    Actually, both of these guys can 1 shot trash mobs with WW in MP0, I think they can do that up to MP2 or 3.

    Or are you thinking 1 shot Elites? Because no, they dont do that.
  • #14
    Quote from Psychatog

    Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)



    this and realising he didnt said 1 WW shot but goin once wich is kinda correct ><, missinterpreted it actually
  • #15
    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from Psychatog

    Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)



    this


    Yup, they can do exactly that.

    That 145k guy crits for 400K+, shit just melts to him.
  • #16
    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from Psychatog

    Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)



    this


    Yup, they can do exactly that.

    That 145k guy crits for 400K+, shit just melts to him.


    yeah but at this point they would be under their sweet spot and get more on +1-2 mp wich is why i was arguing it wasnt the best
  • #17
    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from AudioCG

    Quote from Cryomatic

    Quote from Psychatog

    Barbs: this menas anything other than WWing ONCE through trash and it dying (this menas never having to WW back through)



    this


    Yup, they can do exactly that.

    That 145k guy crits for 400K+, shit just melts to him.


    yeah but at this point they would be under their sweet spot and get more on +1-2 mp wich is why i was arguing it wasnt the best


    They both actually farm on MP2/3 most of the time, they can still one shot at that level.

    I agree with your assessment, go up in MP until you cannot blitz through it.
  • #18
    Quote from Kisho

    Sooooo... what happened to playing the game for fun/for the challenge? Oo;

    Not allowed!


    Funny how the OP says the proof is in the numbers, and then doesn't present any.

    By now most should have realized that for farming low MP is most efficient, and low is usually consistent with the "never stop" scenario. But honestly, who cares. Not everything that is efficient is also fun. And last time I checked, MP 10 was the best for killing ubers.
  • #19
    i love threads with these names... it's funny how many different "truth" there are xD
  • #20
    "the truth about...." generally means "my view about...." ;)

    though in general, my opinion is the same. low monster powers are better for farming. though that does not mean, you shouldnt go for high monster-power. just for one-shot-solo-farming act3 you shouldnt.
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