Forum banned for speaking the truth -- RNG is a lie.

  • #21
    RNG is RNG!

    @OP- So many people can't face the facts they just don't have good luck. MF, NV, and MP all increase your odds at good loot, but none of them guarantee better drops. I have been getting better drops lately, but I think that's the result of 1.0.5, not some crazy Blizz conspiracy. You deserved the ban, and I hope you keep getting terrible drops.
  • #22
    This thread reminds me of the RNG madness in early WoW... "if your raid leader is a shaman, the first person to enter Molten Core is a druid night elf whose name starts with a letter 'M' and you kill the first mob in less than 10 seconds, then you'll have at least one binding drop for sure!"

    OP is not interested in discussing this topic - he's looking for people to second his conspiracy theories. If you don't agree with him, he'll insult you. Great... no wonder he was banned.
  • #23
    even with a 99.9% chance to drop, you can get unlucky and never see your drop
  • #24
    Sounds like a typical rant on only forum to me. But in all fairness I see nothing to ban for. Same things has happened to me to many times. Run with friends and they get good loot and leg. and I get crap. But I just call it bad luck and roll on.
  • #25
    Quote from Silentmike

    all these personal attacks, yet nobody offers any proof to dispute my claim, other than blizzard says it is rng therefore it must be rng. way to go fanboys, you can join the other lemmings off the end of the cliff. nobody has yet to address how 2 identical ivory towers dropped other than a vague reference to a possible bug.


    He linked you. How is that vague?


    small sample size? you're using the 1-2 instances I brought up but i've got 20k+ elite kills which I obviously can't go into kill for kill. sure, on the big picture of millions of diablo players getting billions of kills 20k is small, but it is enough for me to interpolate and draw the conclusion that there is a flaw in blizzard's rng. but go ahead and continue repeating the same old blather with absolutely zero evidence other than taking blizzard's word for it while on the other hand complaining i lack evidence. kettle, let me introduce you to pot.


    20k elite kills compared to a total sample size of hundreds of millions, if not into billions is EXTREMELY small. Mathematical statistics define your sample size, and your friends, in this context as not worthy of indication, exploration and report. Period.
  • #26
    Hey, I had 16x MP6 runs in a row without a key, the probability for that is quite low, yet, I am not saying that random is not random.
  • #27
    "Last night mp6, 3 key wardens in a row no key. Tonight mp5 4 key warden, no key"

    Did mp5 got my first key of the day after 12 key warden kills, 50%chance every time... odds are low that you miss it that many times but it do happen... so if you can get that unlucky with 50% just think of the low chance of getting a good legendary, that is so much lower % of drop:
    RNG: If legendary drops at all.
    RNG: That it's a good or decent legendary.
    RNG: That stats roll decent.
  • #28
    since people are having trouble understanding how chance versus averages works...

    You have a 10% chance per MP level to get the key... so 9 outta 10 you wont get it is the average .. but there is not promise run it 10 times and you get it, since the chance is reset every single attempt...

    You do not gain reduce your chance of not getting it by running it more, you maintain the exact same chance..
    Example: MP5 act 1 key run

    Run# 1 - no key (50% loser column)
    2 - no key (50% loser)
    3 - "
    4 - "

    Ad infinitum... it does not matter how many times you run it, if there is a chance to lose that is a constant.. your personal average may not be 50% but the chance is still 50%..

    Coin toss is a great example.. the US Quarter has a 50.9% chance to land heads down due to a slight difference in weight.. but if you flip it 100 times i can bet you there will be more then 50 times it lands tails down...that is chance.

    you cannot demand a drop just cause you ran something many times, i am well over 300k mob kills and close to 40k elites, have i got a single 100mil item? nope, now my friend though (who has more MF then me) has got 1 good pair of ice climbers.. that it.. he has half my kill rate but he gets almost no good loots.

    That is chance, you can get MF and Paragon to tweak chance in your favor but there is always that chance you will not win.
  • #29
    OP deserved to get banned.

    I got 5 keys on MP1 yesterday. Please don't report me for cheating.
  • #30
    Quote from Belphanoir

    since people are having trouble understanding how chance versus averages works...

    You have a 10% chance per MP level to get the key... so 9 outta 10 you wont get it is the average .. but there is not promise run it 10 times and you get it, since the chance is reset every single attempt...

    You do not gain reduce your chance of not getting it by running it more, you maintain the exact same chance..
    Example: MP5 act 1 key run

    Run# 1 - no key (50% loser column)
    2 - no key (50% loser)
    3 - "
    4 - "

    Ad infinitum... it does not matter how many times you run it, if there is a chance to lose that is a constant.. your personal average may not be 50% but the chance is still 50%..


    Exactly, and here's another thing many people fail to understand:
    If you are farming on MP1, your chances to get a key drop are 10% for the first run. And for the second run. And the third. And so on...
    Even if you made 20 runs without a key drop, the 21st run still gives you a 10% chance. It does not increase "because once every ten runs I should get a key". Perfect example for chance versus average. (And a perfect example why it just *feels* more rewarding to farm keys on higher levels.. tough runs on high MP are painful, but feel better than ten easy runs without a drop)
  • #31
    If I was a mod, I too would have banned you. Sorry, but forums are not democratic, they are dictorial and when you step on the mods toes, you get tossed. Your tone in that post is bad and you shhould have attempted a little more tact.
    "There is no cow level!"
  • #32
    Play scratch offs. Those have usually a 1:38056 odds of winning. So according to your theory buy 4 and you will win. Doesn't always happen that way. As long as the total run of all the sums offers those odds then that number is correct.
  • #33
    I expected the chances of you not getting the keys to be tiny, hence a good reason to whine.

    But 6%? that's not tiny at all.
  • #34
    The tone of your post felt like something you could get banned over, everyone knows Blizz don't like it when you topic a post with words simillar to "liars or incompetent" directly to them. Then the whole "my friend got"-aspect, please, show some real numbers or you will just get "rng is rng" back...
  • #35
    Quote from Silentmike

    Quit lying bliz and start explaining


    Go read the game guide it's explained quite nicely.
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/nugiyen-1382/

    Looking for EU people to team up with - ( Only top of the line players from EU )
  • #36
    If I were a mod I would ban you here also for QQ-ing.
  • #37
    Quote from Silentmike

    I was forum banned for "harassment" for this post. The entire thread was deleted, read for yourself and decide if I'm harassing or Blizzard is hiding the truth. I should've worded it without calling bliz incompetent or liars I suppose and it would've been more difficult to delete and ban but man do they piss me off.

    Thread Title:
    RNG is a lie. Bliz = liars or incompetent

    Last night mp6, 3 key wardens in a row no key. Tonight mp5 4 key wardens in a row no key, so yes I'm aggravated as I write this. These are successively 6.4% and 6.25% odds of happening. We all have "that guy" as a friend who has gotten 10-20 100m+ set pieces who have lower MF and are lower paragon than you, while you've never gotten anything worth 50m. I have one HC WD friend who got 3 pieces of his Zunimassa's set in in a matter of a few days around paragon 20. We're talking a WD getting 3 of 5 of the set specifically designed for his class. The odds against that are astronomically bad -- as in so bad that the only way it could have happened was other than random. I'll also add that the same WD just today got 3 set pieces on HC for other classes worth >100m each. He also farms mp0 and has managed to get keys at a rate far higher than 5%.

    So, how is loot distributed? Who knows, but Blizzard's insistence that it is RNG is laughable. Fanboys who post RNG is RNG when anybody says anything different remind me of lemmings that jump off the cliff behind the million that just committed suicide. Who knows maybe their blind loyalty earns them +1% MF every time they lick Blizzard's boots and I get another -1% (which would explain why my loot drops are so atrocious). There is some variable somewhere that makes some accounts more prone to good loot then others. Either Bliz doesn't know which makes them incompetent, or they know and aren't telling which makes them liars. Blizzard has lost all credibility by letting their lead designer make his favorite class twice as good as any other, so them telling us that it is RNG carries no weight in my mind.


    BTW, anybody want one of my 6 hellracks or ivory towers? I've no shortage of those items..

    EDIT: btw, Barb friend of mine just had 2 Ivory Towers drop within 15 yards of each other. They are IDENTICAL. RNG huh? BS! Quit lying bliz and start explaining


    Don't bother dude, and don't get frustrated by this. Anybody with more that 1 cubic centimeter of brain knows that this game is everything but random! And just consider that 99% of population is thinking inside the box, not because they want to, partially they are born that way, partially their brains are washed. Blizzard is one BIG MONEYMAKING company. And for them, profit is everything. Loyalty is not that important anymore cause they can launch Diablo 4 next year and everybody will buy it (me too), and so on...
    These things happen all the time for everyone:
    Couple of days after patch everybody gets insane drops. Why? Attract people.
    Me personally, and my ingame friends, got about 9 keys out of 10 attempts from warden on MP3-4 those days. Random? No. Percentage-wise, no Fucking logic.
    As the time passes by, drops are less and less. Now, I get about 3 out of 10 on MP5-7. ???

    People that are lower lvl and with lower MF get better legendary drops. Yes. Attract them to play more. And as they play more, they become more addicted. Psychology, and numbers like "3% on this and that" makes them think that every paragon lvl helps them with better loot. Crap. When I was lower lvl (now I'm para lvl 83) I got way more legendaries then I get now, and the quality was way better. And I'm not talking just about me here, ALL my ingame friends (around 20-30 of them).
    I studied economy (2 years of statistics and psychology classes), so I don't let Blizzard and these spammers on forums make idiot of me.
    Ivory Tower, Gladiator Gauntlets... Give me a break! Just useless legendaries that drop all the time, made on purpose, so kids can react "Wow, another legendary!".
    About duping items... Another great way for Blizzard to make more money is a short period of time. Don't be fooled. They make money with Diablo 3 according to quantity, not quality. 2 euros transaction, they get 1 euro. 100 euros transaction, they get 1 euro. See the point?
    In a few months kids will get bored with Diablo, hardcore gamers will be so much frustrated about what is happening with dupes and low drops, etc. And what will Blizzard do??? Give us another patch, with some cool new stuff, better drops for a couple of days... And, voila! We all play Diablo again!
    I can just tell that they are doing GREAT JOB. In their favor, of course.

    So don't bother about what people are replying to you here. They are either brainless kids, or blizzard fans and employees.
    And don't forget: we are talking about serious amount of money Blizzard is making with this game. So, expect everything.

    You cannot change the world by yourself, and fight their fight. You'll always lose.

    Cheers mate

    P.S. And 1 more thing. Of course they will ban you from forum and prevent you from facing the facts. What did you expect? Less people know what is going on, more money in their pockets ;]
  • #38
    RNG is a lie. Bliz = liars or incompetent

    if i wwere them iw ould have banned your game account too
  • #39
    I think the OP is never gonna post here ever again. :S
  • #40
    It's like a lottery why cant people understand that. There is always a small % to get some things that's worth anything, just a fraction will ever taste the glory of 100m+ items and if you do then you're one of the lucky, the more mf and the more you play the higher the odds are but nothing guaranteed...

    Mr. propaganda sensei.
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