Hi all. I just registered here on these forums yesterday though I've been coming here for my D3 updates for many months now. I've had some thoughts and suggestions for D3 based on what I've read/heard/seen and wanted to bounce those ideas of you guys.
1. GAMEPLAY
At first glance it all looks pretty awesome. Though when they say there is a big emphasis on killing masses of monsters they aren't kidding. I remember act 1 in D2 where the killing starts pretty slowly. From what I've seen in the videos I have no complaints. I am a little concerned for the checkpoint/waypoint issue. Like many of you I'm sure, I tried different games to satisfy my D3 hunger, one being Titan Quest. That game uses a checkpoint system where the player has to activate a fountain for the checkpoint to be saved. Though I agree this did in most cases help keep me immersed in the action, sometimes it had a severe opposite effect. Not knowing where the next town would be I had to run way back in many cases because my inventory was full, etc. As long as waypoints stay in the game at a reasonable spacing I don't think running back would be a problem. Though it does take the player out of the action much more than simply making a town portal. Of course then I found out that my player in Titan Quest could open a portal to any major city I had been to. That all said, in the new screens it looks like there are town portals on the hotbar. I'm not sure if that means tps will for sure be in the game since I remember there being some debate about it.
An issue that ties in with waypoints/checkpoints is boss runs. I discuss this more in the items section. How easy should boss runs be? Should item aquisition be centered around it? Well I think that bosses should always be able to drop the best items and as long as that is true there will always be boss runs. Taking away waypoints/checkpoints near bosses will only make it more difficult for the less hardcore players to keep up.
1a. Mercenaries
Well they appear to be random occurances rather than hireable. I actually think this is a good move. Heroes don't need help but mercs can tag along if they behave. The only reason it seems like a big change is because D2, after 10 years, has insane items that grant auras that people put on mercs. Without auras, I doubt many people would miss mercs much.
2. SKILLS
2a. Barbarian
Looks pretty cool so far. No comments really except see passive offensive skills section.
2b. Witch Doctor
Again, looks pretty awesome. Especially with the rune system.
2c. Wizard
Gotta say I'm quite impressed with the wizard but I don't really like disintegrate. It's not that I see this being the most played wizard build at launch it's just something about the skill. It doesn't look right. The way the wizard aims it kind of makes it look like she turns into a giant ray gun. It might be more believable if it came out of the end of a staff but then it wouldn't make much sense when a staff isn't equipped.
2d. Skill Tree
I understand that hoarding of points is a failure in the eyes of the developer. Unfortunately, some ideas are born better than others. Forcing players to spend points (more than 1) on prereqs just to avoid hoarding doesn't address the problem. Synergies in D2 attempted to make lower skills more attractive but all they really did is bolster the same select skills that were being used before. Instead of focusing on having players use a wide range of skills count of them choosing only a few. I think no matter what builds turns out to work, they will only consist of a handful of skills. That's what makes the build unique. If all builds require highly diverse point spending then all builds approach being similar.
With that in mind choosing only a few skills may not be possible unless you want to have unused points. Skill rank 2/5? It looks like the max skill level will be 5. I understand its much more exciting to gain new skills than gain another point in the same skill but it seems as though with 90+ skills to eventually work with I can almost have one of everything (the level cap will be 99 right?). I hope lots of these skills are passive so I don't have to juggle using 10+skills to play the game.
2e. Passive Offensive Skills
In Titan Quest certain skills were passive skills but instead of D2 passive skills like Iron Skin or Dodge they were aggressive skills like counter-attack. As I leveled and put points in these skills I felt a significant increase in power. Moreso than when gaining usable skills. I think it would be cool for classes like the barbarian to have skills like these. Having a chance to hit more than one enemy or attack with both weapons really makes a barbarian feel more powerful and unpredictably destructive. These would have to proc off normal attack and certain skills to be viable (since I don't imagine many people will be killing with normal attack once they reach a decent level)
3. ART STYLE/ANIMATIONS
3a. Environment
I love it. Especially outdoors with the weather effects. Hopefully there will be a variety of intense weather effects in the game. I hope in time those who don't like it will come around. Those people who say Blizzard doesn't listen to you are a little confused. They listen but that doesn't mean they're going to do everything you say. If I tell you to start dressing differently and you don't do it does that mean you're just not listening to me? I have never been disappointed with a Blizzard game and I doubt it'll start with D3. One comment though. In the wizard gameplay movie as she enters the dungeon, it seems a lot darker (in terms of light not colour) than in the original barbarian gameplay. I hope this is the case because the lighting for that dungeon has been adjusted since the original gameplay demo.
Just watched the gameplay demo again and had to reiterate how impressed I am with the art style. I really think it will breath life into discovering areas in D3.
3b. Animations
As the wizard executes some of her skills she looks a little like a ninja with the jumping in the air and creating ninja clones of herself. Seems a little bit much but I've only seen small clips of it so I won't judge it yet.
Monster death animations = awesome. So cool to be able to follow a trail of corpses and know exactly what/who killed them.
4. UI
Well the UI. I know many more iterations are to come but I have some thoughts.
4a. Skill Bar
Looks like I would expect so far but theres a small point that kind of annoys me. I really liked in D2 how the left click skill was on the left side of the bar. Now both left and right click skills are on the right. This is just me clinging to old ways I guess. Also, the 5 skill hotbar seems really good for skills like holy shield, shiver armor, etc. but with a max of 2 right click skills it seems like it might make some players only want 3 aimed skills (1 left, 2 right). I know Bashiok has addressed this be saying its actually very easy to pick up using aimed skills on the hotbar but I still can't help but think it will get annoying especially when one of those 2 right click skills is taken up by something like teleport.
Also, this might have been answered but assuming there will be a weapon switch I'm also guessing there will be a hotbar switch connected to that?
Lastly, during the outdoor video footage and screenshots, it looks to me like the UI is too bright compared to the environment. It stands out too much. Maybe its cause I'm crazy or maybe its cause I think the skill icons are too bright (discussed 2 sections down).
4b. Inventory Screen
I like the changes since the first gameplay video but it still needs work. It may come as no surprise that the rather chaotic layout of the equipped item boxes doesn't look right for me. From reading around, many people agree with this. I would change both rings from the left side of the armor to one on each side. The chest armor box is bigger than the rest. In fact, for most of the items being the same item size, the item boxes that fit them seem to vary a lot. I can understand wanting to give a sense of scale where there really isn't one but if I have to choose sense of scale over an organized layout I would pick layout. One thing I think that may solve this is having large and small item graphics. Once the item is equipped the graphic fills the whole box, in similar proportions to D2. When it was announced that all items would be the same size I was actually really disappointed even though it makes sense. I like to see the item graphic.
On a separate note, the graphics for some items look very cartoon-ish at the moment. I assume this is just a temporary thing.
Lastly, the bagged inventory. Though I prefer to see all my items at once I think my biggest problem with the current setup is that it looks like the items autosort. Meaning, if I remove the first item all the other items move to fill in the gap. I hope the final build has gridlines so I can move my items as I please without autosort. If anyone played Nox they will know what I'm talking about when I say autosort is a frustrating system. Of course I could be totally wrong about the autosort. Just looks like it at this point.
4c. Skill Icons
I read a post by a forum member that the skill icons are too shiny and round. I completely agree. I really liked the D2 icons but I am not averse to colours. In fact with the new skill bar and other changes I agree that colour is necessary. I just think they need to be more solid looking, washed out and rugged. Almost like a painting on a rock surface.
4d. Fury Balls
It's an interesting change and definately eliminates any confusion between rage and mana but I don't quite see how its any different than before. Maybe even worse. Say I quickly look down and see half a globe of rage. I have about half my rage. Now suppose I see one ball of rage. I now have to look to see how close I am to getting a second ball of rage before I know if I have 1/3 or almost 2/3 of my rage. It seems like it's less straight forward than the old system. But hey, I haven't played it so I don't know best. It it's just a matter of visuals how about something like a ring system charging from the centre outwards.
4e. Cursor
The arrow looks sort of like it belongs in SC2 or something. I like the hand style one. Not the exact same but something similar.
5. ITEMS
5a. Item Colour
Well seems like almost all the same colours will be back. I was pretty excited to hear that purple might not be unique but instead a new item type? Badass. The blue in D2 was sort of a light blue and I think if purple is the same sort of light purple it will fit in perfectly. But please keep uniques gold/brown-ish. Is orange in use? Could rares maybe be a little more orange so as not to confuse them with gold? It's just that one of those things that will let me know I'm playing Diablo is seeing that beautiful gold amulet or ring lying on the ground.
5b. Item Types
I'm sure we'll see a bunch of item types and probably some new ones. But will class specific items return? I think I remember hearing the answer to this but I can't find it now.
5c. Item Descriptions
Based on the fact that there weren't any item requirements in the gameplay demo I would say that the item descriptions are not finalized. Some thoughts though. I don't think its necessary to show the item graphic again in the item description. Also I'm not a fan of the bulleted item attributes. I would like to see a system where the innate item properties and additional magic/rare/unique/other mods are separated. Again, not too much on this since I'm sure it has changed a lot.
5d. Item Models
Looks like weapons with elemental damage have a graphic to match. What about rares with multi elemental? I suppose it could be both graphics on top of each other but it might also be cool to have separate graphics for certain combinations. Like +fire and +poison might show the weapon dripping fire. It's a bad example but you get the point right? I am also assuming that unique items will have unique models instead of just changing colours like in D2.
5e. Item Drops
It looks like special monsters are harder to kill in D3 and there is more focus on the style and mechanics of those monsters. It also looks as though better items drops accompany this which I am happy to see.
As far as boss runs go I think blocking them would be a poor idea and as a result they will be inevitable. I have no problem with this. If other people want to run Baal (or Boss x in D3) over and over that's fine. What I'm concerned with is how I will keep myself busy. I think that Bosses should always have a chance to drop the best items but I have a problem with them having the only chance to drop certain items. I hope that the random quest feature will use named monsters as a way to keep item hunting interesting.
Separate drop screens = genius. One of the best ideas I've heard for D3. I know it's going to make me want to MF with other people and that alone will make the game better.
5f. Set Items
I understand Blizzard's point of view. I have no ideas at the moment for how to make them more meaningful.
EDIT: Not actually a set item really but what about items that when equipped sort of create set type bonuses. Like a certain "set" amulet doubles the lighning damage you do. Or maybe instead the amulet will add 200 defense if your armor defense is less than 500. Rather than just getting all pieces of a set you sort of make your own. It would be a balance between how many "set" items you equip and the rest of your gear since you want maximum normal gear for the item to affect. I dunno. Maybe this is also too complex. I'm a dreamer. What can I say.
5g. Runes
Badass. nuff said.
6. STORY/QUESTS
In Titan Quest, on the best D2 clones, I got the feeling that there was real chaos going on and not just a few events caused by the end-game evil. This was because of the sidequests. Remember, you can never have too many random sidequests. Especially if you plan to wait another 10 years before D4 (but seriously don't do this).
7. TRADING
With a max of 4 or 5 players to each game there will be a huge number of games going on. The last thing we need is to make even more with trade games. Trade channels you can never see whats going on because everyone spams and when D2 was big there were so many of them. Well I was thinking. With talk of trade cities and whatnot how come I never trade there? Would be cool to have an area you could join sort of like the main cities in Guild Wars. You join this trade area and suddenly trade with a bunch of other people. No need to create private games for each trade or whispering to 4 people at once. You can run around, trade, obviously not use any skills, but basically it adds some fun to trading. Because of the volume of players you would still need a bunch of trade games at any given time. The way it worked in Guild Wars is you just selected which game or channel you wanted to join and it took you there without quiting the game.
Also, I haven't decided if this idea fits Diablo yet but you could also have personal BUY and SELL lists. There was mention in the forums of having notifications in case an item you need drops for a party member. If that happened, your BUY list would pick up on it and you would be notified. The same would happen if an item on your SELL matches someone elses BUY. Again, I'm not sure if this fits since you would have to pick your items from a master list within the game. Just a thought. In fact, after writing about it, it sounds too complicated.
It has also come up in the forums that with separate screen drops you might not be able to drop gold or drop an item for another player. Well why not make it so you can drop an item on a party member's portrait and it drops on their screen. Maybe it would show on your screen on the ground greyed out so you know it made it. Regarding trading on the battlefield, I think this would solve the problem of giving an item to a party member. But trading? Do you really carry around items in case you need to trade on the battlefield? In my opinion, let players give all
the items they want but leave trading for town.
Being able to bet on duels. There would need to be a countdown before hostility was activated and maybe an option of disabling potions (if they turn out to be in the game) for the duration of the duel or best of 7 duels. Lots of options I'm sure but worth considering I think.
Thanks to those who read all this. Comments/additions would be welcome. Am I totally out of line? Let me know.
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Wizard
One thing I wanted to address was the wizard/staff thing. I'm not so sure D3 wizards will focus on staffs. They seem to have globe offhand items, and staffs seem to more of a trained thing like sorceress, or for old people like Cain.
Mercenaries
Also I THINK mercenaries are in. I can't remember where I read that but I'm pretty sure they said hireables will be in as well as random encounters like we saw in the demo video. I agree though the main thing that made them so alluring was the auras, and I enjoyed equipping them also. It was always fun to watch my mercenary attempt to take on some difficult monsters with chance on hit weapons and a aura or two going. It was like my character had a character in a way.
Skills
Indeed a LOT of the skills you'll see are passive. There is a skill calculator here based off of the 08' Blizzcon build.
Most active skills have 1 rank for now and I imagine will stay low, while passive will have multiple ranks.
The counterattacks you speak of seem a little boring in my opinion for Diablo, at least in the since that you stand there and have a 25% chance to counter attack if that's what you mean. It DOES seem though that a lot more skills are becoming multiple target skills. Bash, charge, leap attack all seemed to hit multiple targets while they didn't in D2.
Animations
The wizard seems to be asian to me, so it's kind of like they're throwing in that extra ninja feel for effect, I don't think it's necessarily bad.
Death animations seem to be a big thing right now they're working on. I'm very excited about it. I believe they said in Blizzcast 8 that they're up to around 35 different animations per monster to die. So I imagine we'll see some burning to death from fire, some rotting from plague, some being sliced apart. It should be fun.
Skillbar
Well you also have to remember each hotkey skill may work differently. Suppose it's like this. A skill like shiver armor you'd just hit 1 and it would cast it on yourself. But a skill like cold bolt you would hit 2 and it would ask you where to aim it, so you'd hit 2 then click where you want it to go like a normal skill.
The right and left mouse buttons will work almost like D2 though.
Inventory Screen
I just wanted to remind you incase you hadn't seen that the UI has changed recently. It looks like this now. So the outdoors part of the UI looking bright, I'm not sure what you mean.
I do see what you mean by it looks autosort now. And I do hope that's changed.
Fury
It really won't be any different than the old system D3 started with I'd guess. The way some games I've played with a similar system is you just start out using the skills you can and before you know it you're almost not even paying attention to your globes. If anything though I hope they make it so that on a barbarian a skill that requires more fury than you have is blacked out on your hotkeys, so you know which skills you have enough fury for or not.
Cursor
To me it looks like a polished metal arrow.
Item Color
Don't worry uniques are a brownish/orange. Jay Wilson was wrong about them being purple, purple will be another item type we haven't seen yet.
Class Specific
I think they already said yes to this, the wizard seems to have a sort of class specific orb item.
Item Drops
If you're talking about sort of open loot tables for bosses, I agree. Say a boss can drop 8 items, perhpaps make 3 of them unique to only that boss, and then the other 5 can be nearly any item you'd find throughout the normal gameplay. I think that's kind of what you're talking about.
Story
This is probably one this I'm most excited about it seems like it will have a lot of twists and turns. As for side quests I hope they do make plenty of those. It seems like they certainly at least want to add more than D2.
Also SORT of on this same note, I think the chaotic feeling will be there judging by these quotes from Jay Wilson:
"We want to generate the feeling of everything getting worse... it's part of our narrative. It makes the more gloomy part of the game a place where the stakes get higher. If you start out at the apocalypse, and then move to more apocalypse, it's not going to have much of an impression on players."
Trading
I'm sure once you pick up your item that only you can see, you're free to drop it again for everyone to see. Gold also.
As for overall trading I'm not too sure what to think about it, I really hope there is some balance and something besides just trade games.
I hope I covered most of what you meant and said. My eyes almost fell out reading it all.
Look forward to more great posts from you.
But a skill like cold bolt you would hit 2 and it would ask you where to aim it, so you'd hit 2 then click where you want it to go like a normal skill.
I'm almost 100% sure that this would not happen, unnecessarily slow. More like, you hit two and a cold bolt is sent where your mouse is.
Wow, very nice in-depth post. One of the comments that you made regarding Disintegrate, I really agree with.
If you watch any gameplay of the wizard, all of her/his spells have incredible depth and detail. If you haven't watched the spell effects in slow-mo you really should, there are many subtle details that can be missed. But in regards to Disintegrate, although you can see cool red rippling effects it doesn't seem to share the chaotic nature of many other spells.
You obviously don't want it to look like red lightning or flickering flame, but it still seems to be missing something. To me disintegrate means almost like a targeted Black Hole effect. As if this beam was actually a tear in space that was pulling particles into it. As opposed to a red beam that seems to make monster explode if you keep it on them long enough.
But we're still really early, and I'm sure its something they'll continue working on.
Again, nice post. And keep up the good work Blizzard.
Wow Daemaro can't believe you have so many posts especially if theyre all the same good feedback you gave me.
To clarify a few things though. What i meant by the skill bar seeming to bright was when outdoors. I have seen the new UI screens but they are inside the dungeon. Just hoping the skill icons will become more subtle.
Also about the bosses I was saying that I think there shouldn't be any monster in the game that is the only source of an item. Maybe with the exception of one or two items. I just don't want blizz to make a habit of it because then were back to doing boss runs for items and having named monsters be useless again. With re-specing I just don't think Ill be playing through the game as much so I will need more to do and more variety with the characters I do have.
As for skills like cold bolt: it does indeed send it to where your mouse currently is. I remember reading a post from Bashiok about it.
Thanks for the replies so far.
EDIT: Just checked out that link with the skills but I thought only the barbarian was playable at blizzcon and with limited skills. So how are all the skills for the wizard listed and none for the barbarian? It also looks different than the recent screens (with arrows showing pre-reqs for specific skills). Interesting to read nonetheless.
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EDIT: Just checked out that link with the skills but I thought only the barbarian was playable at blizzcon and with limited skills. So how are all the skills for the wizard listed and none for the barbarian? It also looks different than the recent screens (with arrows showing pre-reqs for specific skills). Interesting to read nonetheless.
Nope all 3 classes were playable at Blizzcon. You're probably thinking of WWI when the game was first announced. All we got then was to watch a demo of the barbarian. At blizzcon though the Wizard was the main interest so people got her skills down first. It seems we have most of the barbarian skills listed on our wiki page here, but they're not put into a neat calculator yet.
I believe the only class whos skills weren't well documented were the Witch Doctors. Expect more info on that from the next event to have a demo though.
Hmm. In that case I'm worried for the first time about the skills in D3. The more I read about wizard skills the easier it is to wait for D3. Not cool.
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Well first of all I really don't like that the active skills max at 1 point. This seems like something that should/will be changed (I hope im right). I don't really get why wizard points are to be spent on things like increased life or armor. Those are things melee classes should have and yes im sure it will lead to some sort of melee wizard but
1. all classes will have +health and +armor skills
2. only wizard will have those
in case 1, not very interesting. in case 2, not very logical. How does it make sense that my barbarian that lives for phyical combat sees the same or less of a health boost than a wizard who focuses on magic. I welcome new skills like increased casting speed for the wizard but would think it stupid for the barbarian just to leave open the possibility of some weird build. It doesn't fit. Your wizard want more health? Your barb want faster cast? Get the items for it! Seriously blizz, dont make items less significant.
Let me just state that I DO like the active skills (except disintegrate as explained in the original post) I just dont like many of the passive skills. Example of a passive that sounds awesome: static residue in the storm tree.
As a general point, I dont like how passive = 15pts and active = 1 pt. I feel like every build I have will use not only the same skills but also the same level of skills while only changing passives. That for me = seriously boring. With re-specing, I only see myself having multiples of the same class because of the variation in skills while leveling. Otherwise I would just respec my end-game class.
I also dont like skills that are affected by attributes (+dam per pt of vit). Has it been confirmed that stats will be auto-assigned or is this still in debate? If it is auto-assign then skills like these are really affected by character level and not attributes. I think Diablo is more about putting in the points than hitting a certain level (yes I realize this would also work off +attributes from items but I still don't like it).
Also, skills that affect only one other skill (i.e. improved spectral blade) are like synergies but worse since they are not useful by themself. Seems stupid to make the skill max of 1 point, the passive max of 15 instead of making the skill itself a max of 5 or 10 or something. The only reason I can see for this is not wanting the skill to become more powerful until a certain number of points has been invested in the skill tree.
Can someone confirm which is more recent. the blizzcon skills or the screenshots I saw with blizzcast 8? The screenshots with blizzcast 8 are different then at http://www.diablo-source.com/index.php?cmd=skill
BTW, thank you for all the replies. Its making me think about a lot I didn't consider before.
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Blizzcast 8 is far more recent and accurate. Pretty much all skills, especially numbers are subject to change. The amount of points in each passive/active is something I'm sure they'll be working on until near the end.
For now though I'd focus more on the general effect of passive/active skills because like I said, the numbers will for sure change.
Woooo! So I was looking through http://www.diablo-source.com/index.php?cmd=skill which has been updated with many more barbarian skills. It looks as though double strike and slashing strikes are both skills like I was hoping (read original post). My only question now is: will that affect skills or just normal attack? Just normal attack would be really boring.
Man those 2 skills alone make be want to start a barbarian as soon as I open the D3 box (in 1-2 years from now *cry*)
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They never said that there won't be hirelings. There still is a chance you can hire mercenaries. The only thing we saw so far were "followers."
2c. Wizard
The same thing with inferno for the sorceress in Diablo 2. It would be cool if they could make it so that when you have a staff equipped, or a wand, it would come from that. But, that's too much work.
3. ART STYLE/ANIMATIONS
3a. Environment
"I hope in time those who don't like it will come around."
They probably already did. They care enough to complain about it, right? They will play the game either way.
3b. Animations
"Seems a little bit much but I've only seen small clips of it so I won't judge it yet."
You just did. Anyways, ninja-like? I hardly think that a violent burst of energy onto the floor to keep her in the air and repel missile attacks is ninja-like. It's damn God like.
4e. Cursor
I pictured the gauntlet from Diablo 2 in a Diablo 3 screenshot (and in the gameplay). It didn't seem to work for me. A little distracting as well.
8. Secret Happy Unicorn Rainbow Level
EPIC!!!!!!!!!
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1. GAMEPLAY
At first glance it all looks pretty awesome. Though when they say there is a big emphasis on killing masses of monsters they aren't kidding. I remember act 1 in D2 where the killing starts pretty slowly. From what I've seen in the videos I have no complaints. I am a little concerned for the checkpoint/waypoint issue. Like many of you I'm sure, I tried different games to satisfy my D3 hunger, one being Titan Quest. That game uses a checkpoint system where the player has to activate a fountain for the checkpoint to be saved. Though I agree this did in most cases help keep me immersed in the action, sometimes it had a severe opposite effect. Not knowing where the next town would be I had to run way back in many cases because my inventory was full, etc. As long as waypoints stay in the game at a reasonable spacing I don't think running back would be a problem. Though it does take the player out of the action much more than simply making a town portal. Of course then I found out that my player in Titan Quest could open a portal to any major city I had been to. That all said, in the new screens it looks like there are town portals on the hotbar. I'm not sure if that means tps will for sure be in the game since I remember there being some debate about it.
An issue that ties in with waypoints/checkpoints is boss runs. I discuss this more in the items section. How easy should boss runs be? Should item aquisition be centered around it? Well I think that bosses should always be able to drop the best items and as long as that is true there will always be boss runs. Taking away waypoints/checkpoints near bosses will only make it more difficult for the less hardcore players to keep up.
1a. Mercenaries
Well they appear to be random occurances rather than hireable. I actually think this is a good move. Heroes don't need help but mercs can tag along if they behave. The only reason it seems like a big change is because D2, after 10 years, has insane items that grant auras that people put on mercs. Without auras, I doubt many people would miss mercs much.
2. SKILLS
2a. Barbarian
Looks pretty cool so far. No comments really except see passive offensive skills section.
2b. Witch Doctor
Again, looks pretty awesome. Especially with the rune system.
2c. Wizard
Gotta say I'm quite impressed with the wizard but I don't really like disintegrate. It's not that I see this being the most played wizard build at launch it's just something about the skill. It doesn't look right. The way the wizard aims it kind of makes it look like she turns into a giant ray gun. It might be more believable if it came out of the end of a staff but then it wouldn't make much sense when a staff isn't equipped.
2d. Skill Tree
I understand that hoarding of points is a failure in the eyes of the developer. Unfortunately, some ideas are born better than others. Forcing players to spend points (more than 1) on prereqs just to avoid hoarding doesn't address the problem. Synergies in D2 attempted to make lower skills more attractive but all they really did is bolster the same select skills that were being used before. Instead of focusing on having players use a wide range of skills count of them choosing only a few. I think no matter what builds turns out to work, they will only consist of a handful of skills. That's what makes the build unique. If all builds require highly diverse point spending then all builds approach being similar.
With that in mind choosing only a few skills may not be possible unless you want to have unused points. Skill rank 2/5? It looks like the max skill level will be 5. I understand its much more exciting to gain new skills than gain another point in the same skill but it seems as though with 90+ skills to eventually work with I can almost have one of everything (the level cap will be 99 right?). I hope lots of these skills are passive so I don't have to juggle using 10+skills to play the game.
2e. Passive Offensive Skills
In Titan Quest certain skills were passive skills but instead of D2 passive skills like Iron Skin or Dodge they were aggressive skills like counter-attack. As I leveled and put points in these skills I felt a significant increase in power. Moreso than when gaining usable skills. I think it would be cool for classes like the barbarian to have skills like these. Having a chance to hit more than one enemy or attack with both weapons really makes a barbarian feel more powerful and unpredictably destructive. These would have to proc off normal attack and certain skills to be viable (since I don't imagine many people will be killing with normal attack once they reach a decent level)
3. ART STYLE/ANIMATIONS
3a. Environment
I love it. Especially outdoors with the weather effects. Hopefully there will be a variety of intense weather effects in the game. I hope in time those who don't like it will come around. Those people who say Blizzard doesn't listen to you are a little confused. They listen but that doesn't mean they're going to do everything you say. If I tell you to start dressing differently and you don't do it does that mean you're just not listening to me? I have never been disappointed with a Blizzard game and I doubt it'll start with D3. One comment though. In the wizard gameplay movie as she enters the dungeon, it seems a lot darker (in terms of light not colour) than in the original barbarian gameplay. I hope this is the case because the lighting for that dungeon has been adjusted since the original gameplay demo.
Just watched the gameplay demo again and had to reiterate how impressed I am with the art style. I really think it will breath life into discovering areas in D3.
3b. Animations
As the wizard executes some of her skills she looks a little like a ninja with the jumping in the air and creating ninja clones of herself. Seems a little bit much but I've only seen small clips of it so I won't judge it yet.
Monster death animations = awesome. So cool to be able to follow a trail of corpses and know exactly what/who killed them.
4. UI
Well the UI. I know many more iterations are to come but I have some thoughts.
4a. Skill Bar
Looks like I would expect so far but theres a small point that kind of annoys me. I really liked in D2 how the left click skill was on the left side of the bar. Now both left and right click skills are on the right. This is just me clinging to old ways I guess. Also, the 5 skill hotbar seems really good for skills like holy shield, shiver armor, etc. but with a max of 2 right click skills it seems like it might make some players only want 3 aimed skills (1 left, 2 right). I know Bashiok has addressed this be saying its actually very easy to pick up using aimed skills on the hotbar but I still can't help but think it will get annoying especially when one of those 2 right click skills is taken up by something like teleport.
Also, this might have been answered but assuming there will be a weapon switch I'm also guessing there will be a hotbar switch connected to that?
Lastly, during the outdoor video footage and screenshots, it looks to me like the UI is too bright compared to the environment. It stands out too much. Maybe its cause I'm crazy or maybe its cause I think the skill icons are too bright (discussed 2 sections down).
4b. Inventory Screen
I like the changes since the first gameplay video but it still needs work. It may come as no surprise that the rather chaotic layout of the equipped item boxes doesn't look right for me. From reading around, many people agree with this. I would change both rings from the left side of the armor to one on each side. The chest armor box is bigger than the rest. In fact, for most of the items being the same item size, the item boxes that fit them seem to vary a lot. I can understand wanting to give a sense of scale where there really isn't one but if I have to choose sense of scale over an organized layout I would pick layout. One thing I think that may solve this is having large and small item graphics. Once the item is equipped the graphic fills the whole box, in similar proportions to D2. When it was announced that all items would be the same size I was actually really disappointed even though it makes sense. I like to see the item graphic.
On a separate note, the graphics for some items look very cartoon-ish at the moment. I assume this is just a temporary thing.
Lastly, the bagged inventory. Though I prefer to see all my items at once I think my biggest problem with the current setup is that it looks like the items autosort. Meaning, if I remove the first item all the other items move to fill in the gap. I hope the final build has gridlines so I can move my items as I please without autosort. If anyone played Nox they will know what I'm talking about when I say autosort is a frustrating system. Of course I could be totally wrong about the autosort. Just looks like it at this point.
4c. Skill Icons
I read a post by a forum member that the skill icons are too shiny and round. I completely agree. I really liked the D2 icons but I am not averse to colours. In fact with the new skill bar and other changes I agree that colour is necessary. I just think they need to be more solid looking, washed out and rugged. Almost like a painting on a rock surface.
4d. Fury Balls
It's an interesting change and definately eliminates any confusion between rage and mana but I don't quite see how its any different than before. Maybe even worse. Say I quickly look down and see half a globe of rage. I have about half my rage. Now suppose I see one ball of rage. I now have to look to see how close I am to getting a second ball of rage before I know if I have 1/3 or almost 2/3 of my rage. It seems like it's less straight forward than the old system. But hey, I haven't played it so I don't know best. It it's just a matter of visuals how about something like a ring system charging from the centre outwards.
4e. Cursor
The arrow looks sort of like it belongs in SC2 or something. I like the hand style one. Not the exact same but something similar.
5. ITEMS
5a. Item Colour
Well seems like almost all the same colours will be back. I was pretty excited to hear that purple might not be unique but instead a new item type? Badass. The blue in D2 was sort of a light blue and I think if purple is the same sort of light purple it will fit in perfectly. But please keep uniques gold/brown-ish. Is orange in use? Could rares maybe be a little more orange so as not to confuse them with gold? It's just that one of those things that will let me know I'm playing Diablo is seeing that beautiful gold amulet or ring lying on the ground.
5b. Item Types
I'm sure we'll see a bunch of item types and probably some new ones. But will class specific items return? I think I remember hearing the answer to this but I can't find it now.
5c. Item Descriptions
Based on the fact that there weren't any item requirements in the gameplay demo I would say that the item descriptions are not finalized. Some thoughts though. I don't think its necessary to show the item graphic again in the item description. Also I'm not a fan of the bulleted item attributes. I would like to see a system where the innate item properties and additional magic/rare/unique/other mods are separated. Again, not too much on this since I'm sure it has changed a lot.
5d. Item Models
Looks like weapons with elemental damage have a graphic to match. What about rares with multi elemental? I suppose it could be both graphics on top of each other but it might also be cool to have separate graphics for certain combinations. Like +fire and +poison might show the weapon dripping fire. It's a bad example but you get the point right? I am also assuming that unique items will have unique models instead of just changing colours like in D2.
5e. Item Drops
It looks like special monsters are harder to kill in D3 and there is more focus on the style and mechanics of those monsters. It also looks as though better items drops accompany this which I am happy to see.
As far as boss runs go I think blocking them would be a poor idea and as a result they will be inevitable. I have no problem with this. If other people want to run Baal (or Boss x in D3) over and over that's fine. What I'm concerned with is how I will keep myself busy. I think that Bosses should always have a chance to drop the best items but I have a problem with them having the only chance to drop certain items. I hope that the random quest feature will use named monsters as a way to keep item hunting interesting.
Separate drop screens = genius. One of the best ideas I've heard for D3. I know it's going to make me want to MF with other people and that alone will make the game better.
5f. Set Items
I understand Blizzard's point of view. I have no ideas at the moment for how to make them more meaningful.
EDIT: Not actually a set item really but what about items that when equipped sort of create set type bonuses. Like a certain "set" amulet doubles the lighning damage you do. Or maybe instead the amulet will add 200 defense if your armor defense is less than 500. Rather than just getting all pieces of a set you sort of make your own. It would be a balance between how many "set" items you equip and the rest of your gear since you want maximum normal gear for the item to affect. I dunno. Maybe this is also too complex. I'm a dreamer. What can I say.
5g. Runes
Badass. nuff said.
6. STORY/QUESTS
In Titan Quest, on the best D2 clones, I got the feeling that there was real chaos going on and not just a few events caused by the end-game evil. This was because of the sidequests. Remember, you can never have too many random sidequests. Especially if you plan to wait another 10 years before D4 (but seriously don't do this).
7. TRADING
With a max of 4 or 5 players to each game there will be a huge number of games going on. The last thing we need is to make even more with trade games. Trade channels you can never see whats going on because everyone spams and when D2 was big there were so many of them. Well I was thinking. With talk of trade cities and whatnot how come I never trade there? Would be cool to have an area you could join sort of like the main cities in Guild Wars. You join this trade area and suddenly trade with a bunch of other people. No need to create private games for each trade or whispering to 4 people at once. You can run around, trade, obviously not use any skills, but basically it adds some fun to trading. Because of the volume of players you would still need a bunch of trade games at any given time. The way it worked in Guild Wars is you just selected which game or channel you wanted to join and it took you there without quiting the game.
Also, I haven't decided if this idea fits Diablo yet but you could also have personal BUY and SELL lists. There was mention in the forums of having notifications in case an item you need drops for a party member. If that happened, your BUY list would pick up on it and you would be notified. The same would happen if an item on your SELL matches someone elses BUY. Again, I'm not sure if this fits since you would have to pick your items from a master list within the game. Just a thought. In fact, after writing about it, it sounds too complicated.
It has also come up in the forums that with separate screen drops you might not be able to drop gold or drop an item for another player. Well why not make it so you can drop an item on a party member's portrait and it drops on their screen. Maybe it would show on your screen on the ground greyed out so you know it made it. Regarding trading on the battlefield, I think this would solve the problem of giving an item to a party member. But trading? Do you really carry around items in case you need to trade on the battlefield? In my opinion, let players give all
the items they want but leave trading for town.
8. Secret Happy Unicorn Rainbow Level
Pretty please?
EDIT: Wanted to add this because I thought it was was really cool idea. The poster seems to be a little angry that blizzard doesn't listen to the fans' every word but still...found it here: http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15612&highlight=unique+model
Being able to bet on duels. There would need to be a countdown before hostility was activated and maybe an option of disabling potions (if they turn out to be in the game) for the duration of the duel or best of 7 duels. Lots of options I'm sure but worth considering I think.
Thanks to those who read all this. Comments/additions would be welcome. Am I totally out of line? Let me know.
Wizard
One thing I wanted to address was the wizard/staff thing. I'm not so sure D3 wizards will focus on staffs. They seem to have globe offhand items, and staffs seem to more of a trained thing like sorceress, or for old people like Cain.
Mercenaries
Also I THINK mercenaries are in. I can't remember where I read that but I'm pretty sure they said hireables will be in as well as random encounters like we saw in the demo video. I agree though the main thing that made them so alluring was the auras, and I enjoyed equipping them also. It was always fun to watch my mercenary attempt to take on some difficult monsters with chance on hit weapons and a aura or two going. It was like my character had a character in a way.
Skills
Indeed a LOT of the skills you'll see are passive. There is a skill calculator here based off of the 08' Blizzcon build.
Most active skills have 1 rank for now and I imagine will stay low, while passive will have multiple ranks.
The counterattacks you speak of seem a little boring in my opinion for Diablo, at least in the since that you stand there and have a 25% chance to counter attack if that's what you mean. It DOES seem though that a lot more skills are becoming multiple target skills. Bash, charge, leap attack all seemed to hit multiple targets while they didn't in D2.
Animations
The wizard seems to be asian to me, so it's kind of like they're throwing in that extra ninja feel for effect, I don't think it's necessarily bad.
Death animations seem to be a big thing right now they're working on. I'm very excited about it. I believe they said in Blizzcast 8 that they're up to around 35 different animations per monster to die. So I imagine we'll see some burning to death from fire, some rotting from plague, some being sliced apart. It should be fun.
Skillbar
Well you also have to remember each hotkey skill may work differently. Suppose it's like this. A skill like shiver armor you'd just hit 1 and it would cast it on yourself. But a skill like cold bolt you would hit 2 and it would ask you where to aim it, so you'd hit 2 then click where you want it to go like a normal skill.
The right and left mouse buttons will work almost like D2 though.
Inventory Screen
I just wanted to remind you incase you hadn't seen that the UI has changed recently. It looks like this now. So the outdoors part of the UI looking bright, I'm not sure what you mean.
I do see what you mean by it looks autosort now. And I do hope that's changed.
Fury
It really won't be any different than the old system D3 started with I'd guess. The way some games I've played with a similar system is you just start out using the skills you can and before you know it you're almost not even paying attention to your globes. If anything though I hope they make it so that on a barbarian a skill that requires more fury than you have is blacked out on your hotkeys, so you know which skills you have enough fury for or not.
Cursor
To me it looks like a polished metal arrow.
Item Color
Don't worry uniques are a brownish/orange. Jay Wilson was wrong about them being purple, purple will be another item type we haven't seen yet.
Class Specific
I think they already said yes to this, the wizard seems to have a sort of class specific orb item.
Item Drops
If you're talking about sort of open loot tables for bosses, I agree. Say a boss can drop 8 items, perhpaps make 3 of them unique to only that boss, and then the other 5 can be nearly any item you'd find throughout the normal gameplay. I think that's kind of what you're talking about.
Story
This is probably one this I'm most excited about it seems like it will have a lot of twists and turns. As for side quests I hope they do make plenty of those. It seems like they certainly at least want to add more than D2.
Also SORT of on this same note, I think the chaotic feeling will be there judging by these quotes from Jay Wilson:
Trading
I'm sure once you pick up your item that only you can see, you're free to drop it again for everyone to see. Gold also.
As for overall trading I'm not too sure what to think about it, I really hope there is some balance and something besides just trade games.
I hope I covered most of what you meant and said. My eyes almost fell out reading it all.
Look forward to more great posts from you.
Thanks,
Daemaro
If you watch any gameplay of the wizard, all of her/his spells have incredible depth and detail. If you haven't watched the spell effects in slow-mo you really should, there are many subtle details that can be missed. But in regards to Disintegrate, although you can see cool red rippling effects it doesn't seem to share the chaotic nature of many other spells.
You obviously don't want it to look like red lightning or flickering flame, but it still seems to be missing something. To me disintegrate means almost like a targeted Black Hole effect. As if this beam was actually a tear in space that was pulling particles into it. As opposed to a red beam that seems to make monster explode if you keep it on them long enough.
But we're still really early, and I'm sure its something they'll continue working on.
Again, nice post. And keep up the good work Blizzard.
To clarify a few things though. What i meant by the skill bar seeming to bright was when outdoors. I have seen the new UI screens but they are inside the dungeon. Just hoping the skill icons will become more subtle.
Also about the bosses I was saying that I think there shouldn't be any monster in the game that is the only source of an item. Maybe with the exception of one or two items. I just don't want blizz to make a habit of it because then were back to doing boss runs for items and having named monsters be useless again. With re-specing I just don't think Ill be playing through the game as much so I will need more to do and more variety with the characters I do have.
As for skills like cold bolt: it does indeed send it to where your mouse currently is. I remember reading a post from Bashiok about it.
Thanks for the replies so far.
EDIT: Just checked out that link with the skills but I thought only the barbarian was playable at blizzcon and with limited skills. So how are all the skills for the wizard listed and none for the barbarian? It also looks different than the recent screens (with arrows showing pre-reqs for specific skills). Interesting to read nonetheless.
Nope all 3 classes were playable at Blizzcon. You're probably thinking of WWI when the game was first announced. All we got then was to watch a demo of the barbarian. At blizzcon though the Wizard was the main interest so people got her skills down first. It seems we have most of the barbarian skills listed on our wiki page here, but they're not put into a neat calculator yet.
I believe the only class whos skills weren't well documented were the Witch Doctors. Expect more info on that from the next event to have a demo though.
1. all classes will have +health and +armor skills
2. only wizard will have those
in case 1, not very interesting. in case 2, not very logical. How does it make sense that my barbarian that lives for phyical combat sees the same or less of a health boost than a wizard who focuses on magic. I welcome new skills like increased casting speed for the wizard but would think it stupid for the barbarian just to leave open the possibility of some weird build. It doesn't fit. Your wizard want more health? Your barb want faster cast? Get the items for it! Seriously blizz, dont make items less significant.
Let me just state that I DO like the active skills (except disintegrate as explained in the original post) I just dont like many of the passive skills. Example of a passive that sounds awesome: static residue in the storm tree.
As a general point, I dont like how passive = 15pts and active = 1 pt. I feel like every build I have will use not only the same skills but also the same level of skills while only changing passives. That for me = seriously boring. With re-specing, I only see myself having multiples of the same class because of the variation in skills while leveling. Otherwise I would just respec my end-game class.
I also dont like skills that are affected by attributes (+dam per pt of vit). Has it been confirmed that stats will be auto-assigned or is this still in debate? If it is auto-assign then skills like these are really affected by character level and not attributes. I think Diablo is more about putting in the points than hitting a certain level (yes I realize this would also work off +attributes from items but I still don't like it).
Also, skills that affect only one other skill (i.e. improved spectral blade) are like synergies but worse since they are not useful by themself. Seems stupid to make the skill max of 1 point, the passive max of 15 instead of making the skill itself a max of 5 or 10 or something. The only reason I can see for this is not wanting the skill to become more powerful until a certain number of points has been invested in the skill tree.
Can someone confirm which is more recent. the blizzcon skills or the screenshots I saw with blizzcast 8? The screenshots with blizzcast 8 are different then at http://www.diablo-source.com/index.php?cmd=skill
BTW, thank you for all the replies. Its making me think about a lot I didn't consider before.
For now though I'd focus more on the general effect of passive/active skills because like I said, the numbers will for sure change.
Warhammer Online: Mystics - R40/RR41 Goblin Shaman
I doubt it'll be forced upon them I'm sure there will be staves also.
Hopefully not! Thanks for the information.
Warhammer Online: Mystics - R40/RR41 Goblin Shaman
Man those 2 skills alone make be want to start a barbarian as soon as I open the D3 box (in 1-2 years from now *cry*)
1a. Mercenaries
They never said that there won't be hirelings. There still is a chance you can hire mercenaries. The only thing we saw so far were "followers."
2c. Wizard
The same thing with inferno for the sorceress in Diablo 2. It would be cool if they could make it so that when you have a staff equipped, or a wand, it would come from that. But, that's too much work.
3. ART STYLE/ANIMATIONS
3a. Environment
"I hope in time those who don't like it will come around."
They probably already did. They care enough to complain about it, right? They will play the game either way.
3b. Animations
"Seems a little bit much but I've only seen small clips of it so I won't judge it yet."
You just did. Anyways, ninja-like? I hardly think that a violent burst of energy onto the floor to keep her in the air and repel missile attacks is ninja-like. It's damn God like.
4e. Cursor
I pictured the gauntlet from Diablo 2 in a Diablo 3 screenshot (and in the gameplay). It didn't seem to work for me. A little distracting as well.
8. Secret Happy Unicorn Rainbow Level
EPIC!!!!!!!!!
I didn't bother reading some because I didn't care for those sections.