I disagree with almost everything said in this forum post.
2.4 has brought TONS OF CHANGES, the PTR is amazing! Set Dungeons are far from the only thing, there is around 150 reworked legendary items, and EVERY SET has been reworked to be comparable for EVERY CLASS.
Gone are the days of "You must run WW or IK to succeed as Barb" because Might of Earth and Raekor are Back! This can be said of every class!
The best part, this is just the base of the cake, 2.5 and 2.6 are going to be the icing that bring RoS to where it should have been all along.
This makes me happy.
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2.4 will be out sometime in December. They have already announced this season will end in december.
Following the pattern of the last few seasons, season will end on a sunday, patch that tuesday, new season at the end of the week. Doing a little guesstimating now:
Considering they probably want some family time during the holidays, I'd say the last two tuesdays are out. It cant be this tuesday for sure. That leaves two possible days.
Take it to the bank, 2.4 will be out on dec 8 or 15. My money is on 15.
They already said they are not following this pattern in the future!
They did however say season 4 will indeed end in December.
I think that is why you SHOULD expect it in December, because it is proven to be the time when most players hop on. I expect 2.4 slightly before Christmas, with season 5 not starting until last week of December-end of first week in January.
*Side note, the PTR is not as far off as many of you assume, you should try it once!
Looking from a company perspective, I don't believe we will see the patch before Christmas (unless they announce end of S4 tomorrow or the day after).
Most people, even most of the technical issues responsible ones will have Holiday break, so if something goes wrong with the patch they would have to bring people back from holidays. So I expect end of season 20/21st December, patch around 6th January and start of season between 8th and 10th January.
But I still hope for it to come in December, as I will have more free time over the holidays to hunt down the set dungeons and stuff. Me personally, I wouldn't even mind one month breaks between seasons.
Should i pay for blizzard fixing their beta game ? no.
Oh boo hoo hoo whaaaa I'm crying because free patches in a game I'm addicted to aren't coming fast enough ouch it hurts my feelings
... so Should i pay blizzard for fixing their beta game ? and why should i cry cuz of this ? or why should i cry over people that make complains about a game that has problems ?
I disagree with almost everything said in this forum post.
2.4 has brought TONS OF CHANGES, the PTR is amazing! Set Dungeons are far from the only thing, there is around 150 reworked legendary items, and EVERY SET has been reworked to be comparable for EVERY CLASS.
Gone are the days of "You must run WW or IK to succeed as Barb" because Might of Earth and Raekor are Back! This can be said of every class!
The best part, this is just the base of the cake, 2.5 and 2.6 are going to be the icing that bring RoS to where it should have been all along.
LoL agreed on disagreed, completely disagree with the rest.
This can be said of every class [ John Yang is the lead designer of ]! <what you left out.
Possibly wizard as well.. maybe Sader too I kinda refuse to play a build designed around purposely taking damage.
I disagree with almost everything said in this forum post.
2.4 has brought TONS OF CHANGES, the PTR is amazing! Set Dungeons are far from the only thing, there is around 150 reworked legendary items, and EVERY SET has been reworked to be comparable for EVERY CLASS.
Gone are the days of "You must run WW or IK to succeed as Barb" because Might of Earth and Raekor are Back! This can be said of every class!
The best part, this is just the base of the cake, 2.5 and 2.6 are going to be the icing that bring RoS to where it should have been all along.
LoL agreed on disagreed, completely disagree with the rest.
This can be said of every class [ John Yang is the lead designer of ]! <what you left out.
Possibly wizard as well.. maybe Sader too I kinda refuse to play a build designed around purposely taking damage.
That is not how thorns works though tbh, because a lot of the damage you deal is applied by your thorns times a % of weapon damage. Such as Concecration dealing a % of your thorns damage in an aoe circle on the ground for X seconds. Invoker is not just a sit and do nothing set, it is actually very interactive with the player, and very fun to play.
I liked patch 2.3 and patch 2.4 will be so much better. This will be the biggest patch in Diablo 3 in terms of content and balance.
Agreed, and if they continue with this route, we do not need a new expansion, we just need the Dev crew to continue to improve the quality of the game every 3-4 months, leaving us with a masterpiece of a product in the end.
Should i pay for blizzard fixing their beta game ? no.
Oh boo hoo hoo whaaaa I'm crying because free patches in a game I'm addicted to aren't coming fast enough ouch it hurts my feelings
... so Should i pay blizzard for fixing their beta game ? and why should i cry cuz of this ? or why should i cry over people that make complains about a game that has problems ?
You want discussion? I think we all know this game is far beyond beta, it doesn't feel like a beta and it's not incomplete like a beta. They are applying a free patch at 0 cost. Each individual on the team wake up, get out of their house and go to work and do work (develop Diablo 3) and for this bonus patch that they have spent work hours on is FREE. I dunno why you're crying about "pay blizz 4 fixing their beta game". It's not a beta and you're not paying so you're essentially crying for literally no reason and that's really sad m8.
You want discussion? I think we all know this game is far beyond beta, it doesn't feel like a beta and it's not incomplete like a beta. They are applying a free patch at 0 cost. Each individual on the team wake up, get out of their house and go to work and do work (develop Diablo 3) and for this bonus patch that they have spent work hours on is FREE. I dunno why you're crying about "pay blizz 4 fixing their beta game". It's not a beta and you're not paying so you're essentially crying for literally no reason and that's really sad m8.
Should i pay for blizzard fixing their beta game ? no.
Oh boo hoo hoo whaaaa I'm crying because free patches in a game I'm addicted to aren't coming fast enough ouch it hurts my feelings
... so Should i pay blizzard for fixing their beta game ? and why should i cry cuz of this ? or why should i cry over people that make complains about a game that has problems ?
You want discussion? I think we all know this game is far beyond beta, it doesn't feel like a beta and it's not incomplete like a beta. They are applying a free patch at 0 cost. Each individual on the team wake up, get out of their house and go to work and do work (develop Diablo 3) and for this bonus patch that they have spent work hours on is FREE. I dunno why you're crying about "pay blizz 4 fixing their beta game". It's not a beta and you're not paying so you're essentially crying for literally no reason and that's really sad m8.
I remeber paying to play, mb there is a free version i am not aware. So if they make a 1 time pay game and have to fix it a lot of time, is that my doing ? I am still looking for the cry here....
I remeber paying to play, mb there is a free version i am not aware. So if they make a 1 time pay game and have to fix it a lot of time, is that my doing ? I am still looking for the cry here....
You might not know this but most companies make you pay a one time fee and don't bother providing any patches. If they do they barely fix any of the issues and generally rely on the community of gamers to make addons etc... to improve the game.
Unless your making subscription payments there isn't a reason to expect more than what is initially offered.
The game is far from finished, and they failed big time @ release, even they admit it!
Saying the patches are free and we should not complain is idiotic since the multiplayer version of this game sucks beyond words. Sure, if you consider the storyline as being the whole game or at least what matters the most, then yes, you payed for it and now you can't ask for more, but if they made it online only with strong emphasis on competitive multiplayer, which now we call the Adventure Mode, then they can't ask you for money to fix something they released incomplete or broke as hell!
That's actually the drama behind it all. The story is good and the game performs well in that regard, the problem with Adventure Mode and competitive multiplayer is that they barely started working on it! Not long ago having a set on you meant you really don't want to do any killing, and it took them years to figure it out!
Also, give up the discussions about Blizzard losing money by working on the game for "free". I made a post here a while back making a general math exercise and found out that they got a shitload of cash from selling D3 and it's expansion, so much actually that they can live out of it for tens of years even if they didn't had the other games! So stop this useless rant and stop caring so much about a huge company that bathes in gold! Really now, what's this urge to defend them? You can't critique a game you love because people like you guys are oblivious to what's going on with the company making these very important discussions stray too far from what's important! I said before and I'll say it again, mods should immediately edit and erase any reply that takes this incredibly stupid and uneducated approach and give warnings to users who do it! It's a forum crime worst that going
on incredibly offensive racist rants in my book!
Nobody said anything about Blizzard losing money, that would be pointless because they have to earn money. We all know this. Nobody (unless you're a complete retard) thinks that they are doing this as a favour to all the fans who have been oh so good and loyal.
The game is finished, it feels finished and every patch they add is a nice thing to just look forward to. Each patch is a new free addition to the game. You saying the multiplayer sucks is your opinion and other people will disagree with that, me included. Why should we care if they can live for decades with the money they earnt from sales? Are you scared they are gonna shut the servers down all of a sudden and exit the building and blow it up while laughing manically? Each employee gets their monthly pay for coming in every day to work on the next patch and/or the next expansion. This monthly pay comes from sales. What's wrong with that?
The game is far from finished, and they failed big time @ release, even they admit it!
Saying the patches are free and we should not complain is idiotic since the multiplayer version of this game sucks beyond words. Sure, if you consider the storyline as being the whole game or at least what matters the most, then yes, you payed for it and now you can't ask for more, but if they made it online only with strong emphasis on competitive multiplayer, which now we call the Adventure Mode, then they can't ask you for money to fix something they released incomplete or broke as hell!
That's actually the drama behind it all. The story is good and the game performs well in that regard, the problem with Adventure Mode and competitive multiplayer is that they barely started working on it! Not long ago having a set on you meant you really don't want to do any killing, and it took them years to figure it out!
Also, give up the discussions about Blizzard losing money by working on the game for "free". I made a post here a while back making a general math exercise and found out that they got a shitload of cash from selling D3 and it's expansion, so much actually that they can live out of it for tens of years even if they didn't had the other games! So stop this useless rant and stop caring so much about a huge company that bathes in gold! Really now, what's this urge to defend them? You can't critique a game you love because people like you guys are oblivious to what's going on with the company making these very important discussions stray too far from what's important! I said before and I'll say it again, mods should immediately edit and erase any reply that takes this incredibly stupid and uneducated approach and give warnings to users who do it! It's a forum crime worst that going
on incredibly offensive racist rants in my book!
Nobody said anything about Blizzard losing money, that would be pointless because they have to earn money. We all know this. Nobody (unless you're a complete retard) thinks that they are doing this as a favour to all the fans who have been oh so good and loyal.
The game is finished, it feels finished and every patch they add is a nice thing to just look forward to. Each patch is a new free addition to the game. You saying the multiplayer sucks is your opinion and other people will disagree with that, me included. Why should we care if they can live for decades with the money they earnt from sales? Are you scared they are gonna shut the servers down all of a sudden and exit the building and blow it up while laughing manically? Each employee gets their monthly pay for coming in every day to work on the next patch and/or the next expansion. This monthly pay comes from sales. What's wrong with that?
The game is so finished they need to balance all sets, and they said that not me.
MUA HA HAH AH AHA HA HA HA. Don't even think or i'll turn off the servers
Mesah beg u , don't.
The game is far from finished, and they failed big time @ release, even they admit it!
Saying the patches are free and we should not complain is idiotic since the multiplayer version of this game sucks beyond words. Sure, if you consider the storyline as being the whole game or at least what matters the most, then yes, you payed for it and now you can't ask for more, but if they made it online only with strong emphasis on competitive multiplayer, which now we call the Adventure Mode, then they can't ask you for money to fix something they released incomplete or broke as hell!
That's actually the drama behind it all. The story is good and the game performs well in that regard, the problem with Adventure Mode and competitive multiplayer is that they barely started working on it! Not long ago having a set on you meant you really don't want to do any killing, and it took them years to figure it out!
Also, give up the discussions about Blizzard losing money by working on the game for "free". I made a post here a while back making a general math exercise and found out that they got a shitload of cash from selling D3 and it's expansion, so much actually that they can live out of it for tens of years even if they didn't had the other games! So stop this useless rant and stop caring so much about a huge company that bathes in gold! Really now, what's this urge to defend them? You can't critique a game you love because people like you guys are oblivious to what's going on with the company making these very important discussions stray too far from what's important! I said before and I'll say it again, mods should immediately edit and erase any reply that takes this incredibly stupid and uneducated approach and give warnings to users who do it! It's a forum crime worst that going
on incredibly offensive racist rants in my book!
Yes vanilla was pretty shitty. We paid extra for RoS to basically get what we should have had in the first place. The cube was the final piece, now its some tweaking and TBH I don't expect much more from this point on unless we get an expansion.
As mentioned earlier companies exist to make profit, all I'm saying is there are MANY other companies that put even less effort than Blizzard in their products (EA is an obvious target). I can't think of any games that Blizzard left unfinished and was just complete utter crap (Well maybe D1 since a 3rd party actually did the expansion which improved a few things).
Please stop the butthurt that a successful video game company makes money because they tend to deliver good games (even if it takes years and many patches its better than never). I think your mod editing should apply to this post because all you say is I hate companies who make money. I'm actually going to report your post based on your stupidity idea... gotta call them when I see them,
If you really want to make this an actual non mod editing post idea maybe speak about how RANDOM dungeon hack n slash doesn't fit well with competitive play since RNG plays a role in maps, monsters, and density etc... Since there is no PvP (this is really the only thing missing from D3) and botting/grinding has always been the way to go in any Blizzard game there really isn't much more to address from a competitive stand point.
The game was done with patch 2.1. That's when all promised content was
delivered (grifts were promised but delayed to post-release 2.1 patch).
Everything after that is a service of the company and not a fixing of
their game. NOTHING of patch 2.2 up to 2.4 is content that we as players
are entitled to because we bought the game. Blizzard did not say that
there will be a cube patched in. They did not say there will be new
bounties coming. They did not say there will be tons of new legendaries
coming. You didn't pay for that. You paid for what they promised you
when they released the game. And you got what you paid for. Everything
they do now could easily be paid DLC. The only reason why it's not is
because Blizzards service is top notch. Battlefront on the other side
makes you pay 60$ for their game with barely any content and then give
you a 50$ season pass without saying what's coming with it AND they
already work on Battlefront 2 (so don't expect much from the season
pass...).
The only companies that come even close to the amount of free service
Blizzard is giving are those with F2P games. But here it's not really
for free. It's the other guys who are paying for you. Those games are
only F2P because some whales are pumping thousands of dollars in it. You
can't really compare them.
I do not agree with this at all.
Are you telling me that a game company makes a game without intentions to fix bugs and to make modifications? Are you telling me that WoW makes their expansion with only the opening patch in mind not the end game patch? Honestly, I do not need your answer, because you know as well as I do that is false.
Every game is designed with an incorporation of multiple patches. To say that 2.1 was all we were entitled to or that it was all they intended is rubbish. Kanais Cube was worked on since the beginning of D3 Vanilla, and brought into the forefront as a project to honor the member of the Dev Crew that unfortunately passed away. In the end, it was "part of the plan" "part of what they wanted RoS to become".
"What is best in life... To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women."
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They already said they are not following this pattern in the future!
They did however say season 4 will indeed end in December.
I think that is why you SHOULD expect it in December, because it is proven to be the time when most players hop on. I expect 2.4 slightly before Christmas, with season 5 not starting until last week of December-end of first week in January.
*Side note, the PTR is not as far off as many of you assume, you should try it once!
Looking from a company perspective, I don't believe we will see the patch before Christmas (unless they announce end of S4 tomorrow or the day after).
Most people, even most of the technical issues responsible ones will have Holiday break, so if something goes wrong with the patch they would have to bring people back from holidays. So I expect end of season 20/21st December, patch around 6th January and start of season between 8th and 10th January.
But I still hope for it to come in December, as I will have more free time over the holidays to hunt down the set dungeons and stuff. Me personally, I wouldn't even mind one month breaks between seasons.
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This can be said of every class [ John Yang is the lead designer of ]! <what you left out.
Possibly wizard as well.. maybe Sader too I kinda refuse to play a build designed around purposely taking damage.
I liked patch 2.3 and patch 2.4 will be so much better. This will be the biggest patch in Diablo 3 in terms of content and balance.
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You might not know this but most companies make you pay a one time fee and don't bother providing any patches. If they do they barely fix any of the issues and generally rely on the community of gamers to make addons etc... to improve the game.
Unless your making subscription payments there isn't a reason to expect more than what is initially offered.
Why some ppl want old legs to be useful again? Thats why blizz giveing us new stuff so we dont have to use same booring gear all the time.
The game is finished, it feels finished and every patch they add is a nice thing to just look forward to. Each patch is a new free addition to the game. You saying the multiplayer sucks is your opinion and other people will disagree with that, me included. Why should we care if they can live for decades with the money they earnt from sales? Are you scared they are gonna shut the servers down all of a sudden and exit the building and blow it up while laughing manically? Each employee gets their monthly pay for coming in every day to work on the next patch and/or the next expansion. This monthly pay comes from sales. What's wrong with that?
MUA HA HAH AH AHA HA HA HA. Don't even think or i'll turn off the servers
Mesah beg u , don't.
Yes vanilla was pretty shitty. We paid extra for RoS to basically get what we should have had in the first place. The cube was the final piece, now its some tweaking and TBH I don't expect much more from this point on unless we get an expansion.
As mentioned earlier companies exist to make profit, all I'm saying is there are MANY other companies that put even less effort than Blizzard in their products (EA is an obvious target). I can't think of any games that Blizzard left unfinished and was just complete utter crap (Well maybe D1 since a 3rd party actually did the expansion which improved a few things).
Please stop the butthurt that a successful video game company makes money because they tend to deliver good games (even if it takes years and many patches its better than never). I think your mod editing should apply to this post because all you say is I hate companies who make money. I'm actually going to report your post based on your stupidity idea... gotta call them when I see them,
If you really want to make this an actual non mod editing post idea maybe speak about how RANDOM dungeon hack n slash doesn't fit well with competitive play since RNG plays a role in maps, monsters, and density etc... Since there is no PvP (this is really the only thing missing from D3) and botting/grinding has always been the way to go in any Blizzard game there really isn't much more to address from a competitive stand point.
I do not agree with this at all.
Are you telling me that a game company makes a game without intentions to fix bugs and to make modifications? Are you telling me that WoW makes their expansion with only the opening patch in mind not the end game patch? Honestly, I do not need your answer, because you know as well as I do that is false.
Every game is designed with an incorporation of multiple patches. To say that 2.1 was all we were entitled to or that it was all they intended is rubbish. Kanais Cube was worked on since the beginning of D3 Vanilla, and brought into the forefront as a project to honor the member of the Dev Crew that unfortunately passed away. In the end, it was "part of the plan" "part of what they wanted RoS to become".