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    posted a message on Almost everyone and his grandmother is Using TurboHUD

    "That's your rebuttal? Lol, dude"


    Oh how it stings! I am just going to take a guess here and say that you probably don't realize the irony in that statement you just made. (applause to the public school system)


    I want you and everyone in here to realize that if you're line of thinking is "If it just werent for those damn THUD users, I'd be top ten" you are wrong. if you can't do it without it you can't do it with it. As many have said before 1-2 GR levels maybe. Botting on the other hand does sway the leaderboards a lot-- No skill can make up for a thousand more paragon and perfectly rolled items.


    And as far as I can tell there won't be any THUD at least in the beginning of this season, so once you realize you're right back where you were to begin with please feel free to examine yourself as the reason why you may not have placed as high, what you could have done better, learn the builds more thoroughly, understand game concepts and mechanics, and then maybe just maybe you can become good monk.

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    You guys can argue whatever you want.. come up with "alternative facts" which may help me assume which political party you align yourself with but others will choose to use evidence to validate their own conclusions.


    There is no argument to be had here: Yes you can be banned for using Turbohud but according to the website owner and the overwhelming reports and constant evidence, over multiple years No one has been banned for using Turbohud. Please lets remember that in the Terms of Service for Blizzard, they are allowed to ban you for any reason or no reason at all.


    -I know people who use THUD and I know people who currently BOT. Almost everyone that was a known botter, that I have known has had their account revoked at some point, and no one that only used THUD has. I am definitely active in the NA HC Communities know several thousand people in the game, and I believe I may have the single most game hours for an NA HC player and I have never even been to a bot website, as I have zero interest in having something else play the game for me.


    -Not everyone who has been banned was banned for botting, but the large majority of them were. Just like the most recent ban waves and the ban waves in season 6-9 all of them had to do with botting, previous to that there were some bans for Blood Shard Exploit, or Hellfire Exploit, or Death Bargain Exploit. There are also occasionally people who get banned for harassment or real life threats.


    -In no way am I saying you should have used THUD or that it is approved by Blizzard. I am simply stating they have not taken action against accounts that have used them and they should not, for several reasons, for one everything in THUD is allowed as a third party add on WoW, but in their case banning the majority of your top players or even alienating them in general is bad for business, and you may think as someone from the opposition side to my argument that you would prefer it if everyone who has ever used THUD was gone, but you wouldnt we typically are the ones that help you out when you need a power level, or have questions about what to reroll, or need to know how to use a build.


    Tired of correcting things that are just known.. I do that every day in the game cause I play this game EVERY DAY. I am done discussing this as it is going nowhere, and right now - There are no THUD users period.

    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Almost everyone and his grandmother is Using TurboHUD
    Quote from magiuksgo-next

    lul how many times it has to be said - TH is not allowed by the creator of the game.

    you don't like that? GTFO

    stop these ridiculous justifications.

    Well since they've never themselves asked any THUD users to leave, how about you pretend to exert your fake authority in a different arena.
    You're argument is lacking in logic, you're using the case of "well that's the way it is" .. but it's not, and it shouldn't be. Blizzard has the authority to ban anyone for any reason or no reason at all. It is in their best interest to do what will keep the most people playing- if they had anything to do with THUD forums going down it is probably to see if they can bring more new users in by getting rid of what many people think is a heinous cheat, but the truth of the matter is they will just alienate their top playerbase. Again, I don't have to leave, I will play this game with tHUD or not and still out perform almost everyone else on the LBs.
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    posted a message on Almost everyone and his grandmother is Using TurboHUD

    what if you were to find out.. they used it when they play

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    posted a message on Almost everyone and his grandmother is Using TurboHUD
    Quote from fubaro1go-next


    'You can say whatever you want, Turbohud is cheating because Blizzard says so'.. that doesn't mean that we should g.a.f.


    If you think people should be banned for Turbohud its because you havent ever used it. I used to hate people that used maphack/Turbohud for the longest time. It literally makes the game more enjoyable to play. I don't bot, never have, never will that's because it's not only cheating, its not even playing the game, it's advantage is way beyond THUDs.. those programs give people mats/bountymats > items > keys > paragon.. They arent even comparable and that's my guess on why no one gets banned for using THUD.


    If I was playing World of Warcraft every thing that Turbohud does is not only allowed, but supported. Think about it, they have DPS meters, GuI overlays, it tells you where the quests are on the map, what you need to do for each quest etc.. etc.. and it is not part of the game itself they are third party applications.


    Why isn't it allowed in Diablo 3?


    WoW you pay $ / month.


    Also Turbohud shouldn't even have to be a thing, everything that is on Turbohud makes sense as part of the game, many of the UI changes they have made for skills n such are similar to the Turbohud layout.


    Using THUD isn't going to make you a good player - yes it is slightly advantageous, but it wont make up for skill/knowledge. Yes 95% of the top of the leaderboards use turbohud, but they will be the same people on the top of the boards if they are willing to play without it.




    This isnt about how TH can improve the game. Robbing a bank would improve my life (if i got away with it). You say its slightly advantageous. Is that suppose to mean you'll only get slightly banned? lol. Oh, and you've been provided with a list of banned players along with their contact info so you could call each one to verify why they got banned? That's not the point, nor does it matter. Blizzard does not want it in their game and considers it cheating. You agreed to that as a condition to play this game. I would never want to meet you in person on a business level, as I couldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.
    And no, i think people that used TH are scum cheaters that should be perma banned, not because I havent used it, lol. I dont need to improve the game with anything other than what's provided.
    Its people like you with this mentality that is ruining the game for me. This morning i joined a group on my para 1.4k zmonk. In the group was a 4.2k para WD. Now it could of been legit and prob was, but I was not going to associate with anyone that might have cheated, so iI left...knowing the GR would of been a breeze. All the talk about cheating or not cheating, banned or not banned, has cast a cloud over this great game for me. Its a shame.


    Ya and Im sure you had tons of friends in high school also..
    Listen up, I play this game religiously, and I have several thousand hours (the majorty of my playtime) without the use of any third party application even macros on a razer mouse (which is allowed) on this game. The same theme has been here since vanilla, and is the same in every aspect of human life its always about wah wah wah what this person gets that I don't have. You really want to make this personal with me?
    Fine I guarantee you that no matter what class it is, you play it in softcore without cheats, I play it in hardcore without cheats, I finish with a higher GR clear than you. It probably won't even be close. You think someone cheating on a video game makes them a bad person IRL.. I may hate botters in game but I don't presume to think that makes them shady characters in person, you sir are what the layman refers to as a douche, or perhaps a tool.
    And I guarantee you that WD didn't lose any sleep over you leaving, and I would put solid money on the fact that you dont understand the mechanics well enough to keep sanc down for your team. And this is someone that was interviewed for the monk forums.

    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Almost everyone and his grandmother is Using TurboHUD

    'You can say whatever you want, Turbohud is cheating because Blizzard says so'.. that doesn't mean that we should g.a.f.


    If you think people should be banned for Turbohud its because you havent ever used it. I used to hate people that used maphack/Turbohud for the longest time. It literally makes the game more enjoyable to play. I don't bot, never have, never will that's because it's not only cheating, its not even playing the game, it's advantage is way beyond THUDs.. those programs give people mats/bountymats > items > keys > paragon.. They arent even comparable and that's my guess on why no one gets banned for using THUD.


    If I was playing World of Warcraft every thing that Turbohud does is not only allowed, but supported. Think about it, they have DPS meters, GuI overlays, it tells you where the quests are on the map, what you need to do for each quest etc.. etc.. and it is not part of the game itself they are third party applications.


    Why isn't it allowed in Diablo 3?


    WoW you pay $ / month.


    Also Turbohud shouldn't even have to be a thing, everything that is on Turbohud makes sense as part of the game, many of the UI changes they have made for skills n such are similar to the Turbohud layout.


    Using THUD isn't going to make you a good player - yes it is slightly advantageous, but it wont make up for skill/knowledge. Yes 95% of the top of the leaderboards use turbohud, but they will be the same people on the top of the boards if they are willing to play without it.


    [Edit: added Following]


    Oh and before someone replies with the "oh so you're cool with THUD but not okay with Botting" line.


    Yes, that is correct. I also don't really concern myself with jaywalkers but I generally dont approve of stealing or fraud..


    And yes I drank before I was 21, and I smoke weed occasionally okay ocifer?

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    posted a message on New PTR Patch 2.4 datamined live or not yet?

    Its all tooltip changes from all the hotfixes

    Well there's a lot of new changes
    Firebirds nerf and hopefully fix the glitch
    Monk decapitation
    Sader thorns nerf
    Some other stuff I care less about:
    Visual Rewards, Set Dungeon Changes
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    posted a message on bring 2.4 now pls blizzard!!!

    I disagree with almost everything said in this forum post.


    2.4 has brought TONS OF CHANGES, the PTR is amazing! Set Dungeons are far from the only thing, there is around 150 reworked legendary items, and EVERY SET has been reworked to be comparable for EVERY CLASS.


    Gone are the days of "You must run WW or IK to succeed as Barb" because Might of Earth and Raekor are Back! This can be said of every class!


    The best part, this is just the base of the cake, 2.5 and 2.6 are going to be the icing that bring RoS to where it should have been all along.

    LoL agreed on disagreed, completely disagree with the rest.
    This can be said of every class [ John Yang is the lead designer of ]! <what you left out.
    Possibly wizard as well.. maybe Sader too I kinda refuse to play a build designed around purposely taking damage.
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    posted a message on confused monk. all the bonuses. what stacks with what? push me in the roght direction

    Class A : regular buffs/debuffs/skill
    A1: Items that buff sheet dps - Harrington / Hexing pants
    A2: Legendary Gems - Bane of the Powerful, Gem of Efficacious Toxin, Taeguk, Simplicities Strength
    A3: Self Buffs towards sheet dps - Assimilation / Foresight / Faith in the Light / Blazing Wrath / Fire Ally / Determination / Combination Strike / Unity / Momentum
    A4: Most classical debuffs towards mobs from items or skills - Strong arms / Mantra of Conviction / Breaking Wave / Flesh is Weak / Forbidden Palace
    A5: Skill damage affixes - +WoL, +DS, +LTK, etc

    Class B : + Elemental Damage (+pets)
    B1 : Elemental % affixes - SoJ/Amulet/Bracers
    B2 : Pet % (Enforcer)

    Class C : Elite Damage
    Damage dealt to Elites (SoJ/Furnace/etc)

    Class D : Bane of the Trapped
    You deal X% more towards cc'ed enemies.

    Class E : Zei's
    You deal X% more towards enemies Y yards away.

    Class F : Mythic Rhythm
    Spirit Spender damage boost after using generator.

    Class G: Relentless Assault
    20% more damage to enemies blind/stunned/frozen

    Class H : Sunwuko 4pc
    Damage buff for 3s after a clone explosion from Sunwuko 4 pc.

    Class I : Raiment 2pc
    Damage buff for generator damage from Raiment 2pc

    Class J : Bastions of Will (Focus)
    +50% Damage buff for using a Generator

    Class K : Bastions of Will (Restraint)
    +50% Damage buff for using a Spender

    Class L : Convention of Elements
    +200% Damage rotating buff specific to element

    Class Z: +% Demon/Human/Beast bonus
    Appears on a few select items such as Tyreal's Might (demons) and Pigstiker (beasts/humans).

    Effective DPS = DPS * (A1+A2+A3+A4+A5)*(B1+B2)*C*D*E*F*G*H*I*J*K*L*Z
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    “Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much”
    Heisenberg, MD


    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/15083858460#16


    To add to this:

    Zei's is also in it's own category. Just as notable is the fact that it's dynamic (which means is to say it compiles the damage as it happens not snapped). Exploding Palm damage is increased by distance from target when it explodes as opposed to static/snapped buffs (Determination, Power Shrine, Dibs buffs, CS, Moment, etc (I believe assimilation))

    Posted in: Diablo III Class Forums
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    posted a message on Open Letter against Botting
    Quote from Rogoth01go-next

    Quote from Bagstonego-next

    I'm just going to quickly address two points that come up quite a lot:


    1) "What about TurboHUD".


    TurboHUD and bots are two different issues, and they're treated differently by Blizzard. This includes about how they respond to those issues on the forums, and the history of account actions taken. Our letter and this thread is about botting. I don't think there are two different opinions about bots (unless you're a botter), something you cannot say about other issues. Therefore, please keep TurboHUD and other things out of this message, as it makes the issue more blurry and might result in a vague response. If we put the spotlight on one very specific issue and the community speaks as a whole, chances are significantly higher to get a strong response (i.e., hopefully *action* and not just *words*).


    2) "Some people on the list have done X and shouldn't be allowed to sign it".


    I guess those people on the list are the streamers. They're often being called out for exploiting, botting, or other violations of the ToS (I am not including TurboHUD here and refer to point 1) - keep it out of this thread). However, when they use exploits they usually do this to force Blizzard to act against it (example: blood shard exploit). On the other hand, all people on this list, especially the streamers, have a history of speaking up publicly against botting. Look at it this way: with this letter we are urging Blizzard to act. We are reminding them of their EULA and asking them to take action against those who violate the rules of the game. Why should anyone who is playing this game competitively violate those rules and then join an open letter which will eventually jeopardize their progress?


    It's okay to have your own opinion and you're free to express it in this thread. But please do refrain from accusations for which you have no proof, and keep this thread on topic (the botting issue). Those are my only two requests, thanks.





    ok, here's "proof", back in classic, alkaizer admitted to account sharing with multiple people in order to achieve p100 world first back when the paragon system was first added to the game after a bit of an investigation, due to his play time being near to 24 hours a day for the duration of time it took him to get that p100, he denied botting and eventually said it was due to account sharing, ergo he broke the rules by sharing account information with others which unless it was changed recently is against the EULA.

    Empyrian has abused many exploits that have been discovered over the period since seasons were added, and even had the play time average of someone who used a bot during the blood shard fiasco.

    wujido recently had his leaderboard ranking wiped and his account suspended for the use of the hellfire amulet exploit.

    your prose is regarding enforcing the EULA/TOS of diablo 3, with regard to botting in particular, but should it not apply to all breaches and as such should it not be prudent to have signatories that have not abused ANYTHING in game for personal gains, otherwise what is the point, the open letter is then just a mirror of blizzards apathy towards the subject, by all means they could have a different viewpoint on the subject after having sanctions placed on them for past misdeeds and as such want to make positive changes, but as i said, i dislike the fact that known cheaters are "supporting" this which is absolutely hypocritical to the point being made and the change being asked for.


    as i mentioned in my previous post, i have no issue with the contents of the letter, in fact i am fully aware of trying to force blizzard to pull their heads from their collective rectal cavities, and actually tackle this problem properly, my issue is with the aforementioned.


    edit: spelling



    I'm sorry but this is just a well written idiotic argument. What someone did in the past does not make them who they are today, just because a person jaywalks doesn't mean they are a thieves, or I guess a botter would be more like a rapist/murderer in this case.

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    [ It's an analogy, I'm not saying botting is akin to rape/murder or even jaywalking, they are just all illegal, but a jaywalker probably doesnt need to be in prison [account closure/removed from society] ]


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    Have you ever read the EULA TOS .. I have I was "Account Closed" under the account I play on today. How does this happen you might ask, perhaps I cheated or broke the TOS.. Well Blizzard never told me despite countless trouble tickets, a couple reviews (which resulted in nothing) they realized they made a mistake and reopened my account two months later. People get accused of doing things they didnt do all the time. (Sorry offtopic) My point is that in the Terms of Service violations are basically anything Blizzard does not like because they make it very clear that they can ban you for " no reason at all. "


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    Besides all that.. So many people violate ToS without even knowing it, now the names you mentioned may have done so knowingly, but because they have violated ToS does not make them botters. Botters and Modding (which I dont think exist, by this I mean straight up hacking items) are what I consider the top violations, Blizzard I'm sure would include the Real Life Threat category, labeling them as the same as botters makes botting not look as bad. AND you are completely ignoring all the good things these guys do with helping other people, putting out game mechanics testing, and SPEAKING OUT AGAINST BOTTING. Empyrian made a video "The Paragon Problem" to draw attention to the drawbacks of how Paragon system works which is the main cause of Botting. I don't know everything he's done as far as exploiting, but I know that people get mad at people who exploit on streams which tends to the be the reason Blizzard finally acts on an issue. On PTR people exploit all over the place and it sucks if you like climbing the leaderboards there but if it werent for countless people cheating on PTR, many exploits would've reached Live, the GR exploit had it not been so widely known would've just destroyed the season.


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    I pride myself on not cheating and I have watched former friends/clansmen reach the top of the leaderboards or hit top paragon knowing they used exploits and have to listen to people talk about all the great things these people have done, but its just so much sweeter when you hit the top of leaderboards and you don't cheat. Problem is Blizzard makes it nearly impossible to be at top of leaderboards without some violation of their own Terms of Service. Paragon umpteenhundred required is BS.. Remove the experience gear and lessen the strength or ease of paragon and botting wont matter nearly as much.

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    Ahh dang it Morty can you fix the Text Spacing on your forum

    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Open Letter against Botting
    Quote from JediTT2go-next

    I say if Blizz doesn't take action after a certain period of time we all start botting. If you can't beat em join em right?

    See here's the thing.. No. But I totally understand why someone would. They have made it very easy, and worse they have made it fruitful.
    Anyone who knows me Darth#1885, knows I don't bot. I'm sure I've had some guildmates that wish I was a bot, clan chat would be a lot more quiet right ras?

    The biggest problem isn't that Blizzard wont take action against botters, which is still questionable on how easily this could be administered but they could definitely have a report botter as if it was some concern, if not simply to say "We Do Not Approve of This." - But they don't even do that.
    The problem is Blizzard makes Diablo more beneficial to use a bot than to not use a bot. First off, there's no consequence, What's that line in that new Johnny Deep movie, "If you do something and no one sees it then it didnt happen" well on this game its more like if it hasnt been triple documented stamped, and then waved infront of a blizzard employee's face it didnt happen.
    The whole paragon and leveling system makes botting a HUGE advantage. High Paragon is necessary to compete on leaderboards- Blizz doing not have to be that way, The Way to get High Paragon is to do mindlessly unchallenging yet quick greater rifts on repeat, like a robot while wearing exp gear-> This is 100% Blizzard, without Experience gear the quickest way to Paragon would be the team that simply killed the most efficiently in the most challenging GR they can do in a reasonable time. I mean this game is absolute trash compared to even its form in the PTR prior to each patch release. I play HC which means I die once a week on the PTR due to DC and I still like playing on it many many times more than Live. The whole attitude on Live is "what are my teammates guild doing for me, who can I run with to make me better" there's no such thing as casually playing the game for fun. For Christs sake I mean I had a barb in my team die today, who probably wouldn't have died but they were wearing 2 items of LVL 23 gear because shared exp means we all gotta wear exp gear, we all become the leech.
    So why not bot when you can do it without getting caught, ~safely in HC apparently, and it's necessary for anyone who can't play all day to compete on leaderboards.. even in HC, perhaps worse in HC.
    It is better to reward for good behavior than to punish for bad behavior in almost every circumstance. Make it less rewarding to bot.
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    posted a message on D3 second expansion - Return of the Amazon class talk

    I think I'll always be impartial to Druid's thanks to Everquest, everyone's got one!


    I mean to be honest, and it will never happen but an Illusionist class (Enchanter) if they brought back Crowd Control. I'm not sure how much I like healer support versus CC, almost rather just have a straight DPS at times.


    Buff Class- Dont need it,

    Tank Class- Got a couple, (perhaps need a couple).

    DPS have..


    Synergetic DPS or what about resource allocator -- True Healer lol.. pipe dreams, yeah I dunno if this game really needs another class.


    What about an Evil Class = P Death Knight?

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    posted a message on invincible Uliana's stratagem

    Pretty sure its more like 1.7 seconds down from 2.2 originally when they changed the cdr to start after the animation. The reason you might get a shorter duration is if you test it while standing in town thats not the full animation. If you test it on a mob thats almost dead thats not the full animation. If you hit dashing strike before the end of the animation thats not the full animation.


    It wasn't invincible with CDR starting right away even though you could technically and fairly easily have enough cdr to overlap.. There was a recast delay that was just long enough for someone like Perendi to put my fking face in on 64 when I was #1 monk on HC ptr.

    Posted in: Monk: The Inner Sanctuary
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    posted a message on Soulstone Brotherhood <SSB> now recruiting!

    Bump for old times sake



    SSB is a great clan with a lotta history


    +Lada = sexy voice

    Posted in: Clans and Communities [NA]
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    posted a message on PTR 2.3 Monk - Shenlong's Generator Build (Video)

    LMB* CW - Mangle

    RMB* Cyclone Strike- Imp

    1. DS - Rad

    2. Epi - DS

    3. BoH - IwL

    4. Mantra of choice due to necessity, most likely MoS agility


    Passives NDE, STI, Harm, Beacon + ES/Guardians path on hellfire dump PG into spirit

    http://www.diablofans.com/builds/57390-burning-backhand

    Posted in: Monk: The Inner Sanctuary
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    posted a message on Does Reforge a Legendary also work for Set items?

    How about you fkin listen then mmk ?


    It works [ AS in YOU CAN PUT A SET LEGENDARY ITEM IN AND REFORGE LEGENDARY AND GET AN ANCIENT ITEM ] .. if you want to get an ancient item from your reforge it needs to be reforge legendary not Nilfurs (the set one) ... Also You have to reforge legendary if you want to reroll any 2 set set items


    Nilfurs is a set legendary reroll that used to well even at one point you could reroll 2 sets into ancients.. it costs a lot less and now its only 3 or more set and the result CANNOT be an ancient.

    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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