Hey guys im at a loss. I can farm Mp8 ~ 10 Decently but when it comes to survivability and elite dps i suffer alot (especially in 9 and 10). I am sitting on 24 Mil and I am a Sleet Stormer, any advice on gear and build would be aprreciated.
PS: I have read tons of Sleet Storm threads and watched videos but I am still open to suggestions!
What FFS9 said: Change your rare ring for the best zuni pox with critical chance you can get. That will net you at least 120 AR, increasing your total mitigation (damage reduction) in 2% (that's a lot, if you ask me).
Your DPS is fine for MP9, but your mitigation is still low. Try to aim to at least 89.5% mitigation, and change your storm armor to Energy Armor / Pinpoint Barrier. That will get your EHP to 430~EHP (with the zuni pox) and your mitigation on 89%, ready for MP10. With this
Your elite DPS is very nice (you have a good 6/27/5 SoJ) and this probably will keep you alive during elite fights on MP10.
Also, pinpoint barrier gives you another 5% critical chance, putting you on a nice 57.5% SleetStorm critical chance, which paired with critical mass reduces all cooldowns and procs APoC more often.
Although Shock Armor gives more DPS, my feeling is that the build is more solid with Pinpoint Barrier. The only downside is the -20 AP loss because Energy Armor.
EDIT: Also, consider changing the Helm or Wand for one with APoC. Only 8 is a little low, when facing single elites. On a pack of 5 mobs that's not a problem, but when facing a single yellow/blue champion things tend to get ugly, and you run out of AP fast.
Thanks for the help i made some adjustments and mp 8 is my norm now. I can actually do mp 9 and 10 as well although those damn chargers bring me under 10% hp grrrrr... But yeah my soj does enough to where i can take out elites. I read through a previous thread about sleet skorn and i saw that link you made to your frineds build Bribous. JUST WOW his items lol. Do you still think its worth trying to get all that extra ray of frost crit? If i can get the money going i want to try and do that haha XD.
I can actually do mp 9 and 10 as well although those damn chargers bring me under 10% hp grrrrr...
I hate them too. Sometimes they come from nowhere-out-of-screen and hit me directly. And sometimes I can manage to time the Frost Nova just before the hit. It's beautiful when that happens!
...I read through a previous thread about sleet skorn and i saw that link you made to your frineds build Bribous. JUST WOW his items lol. Do you still think its worth trying to get all that extra ray of frost crit? If i can get the money going i want to try and do that haha XD.
The guy is obstinate! That's actually the 3rd Mara's Kaleidoscope he has and the second Skull Grasp. I've given him the first Skull Grasp he had, but it had Strength instead Intelligence, although a little more total crit chance (5CC + 5RoF).
On my point of view, If you don't have a SoJ, the Skull Grasp with the extra RoF CC is worth. More critical means more CM procs, with means less cooldown on everything, including APoC. The build works better.
Just for comparison, we play together, and he can easily out-DPS me on mobs and we can get par on elites, but my gear is more expensive than his. I use my Archon gear with 3 different pieces: StormCrow (on the place of a Mempo), Triumvirate with APoC and SoJ instead of a rare ring.
So, I have to run with 11 more APoC than him, and we have about the same AP consumption in-game. So, resuming, the extra RoF crit is nice, if you don't already have good items.
I use all times. My DPS against mobs is about 1M (or so), more than enough for MP10 white-mobs, and I don't have the patience to change any gear while in middle-fight.
The only DPS problem I have is when I'm on MP10, on a party with 4 against Extra-life elites, IF my partners are sub-par with my DPS.
When playing with DAC, for example, we can carry the whole party without a problem. Alone it takes more time.
General question: How do people rate the sleetstorm build compared to regular CMWW builds? Both QoL and damage wise?
Not having to use explosive blast opens up the possibilities for some fun stuff (or simply familiar/magic weapon) and I'm looking for something that's a bit less RSI inducing.
Now, my personal input: I've used CMWW before, and for quality of life there's absolutely no comparison: Sleet Storm is way better than CMWW for your life and hands.
For damage, sleet storm does a ton of it. Look at my Wiz: 180k sheet DPS that does effectively 713k unbuffed DPS. That's a nice number, on my view, capable of running MP8~9 without hesitation. (And just for record, fully buffed I achieve 980k DPS and abour 1250k DPS against elites).
Maybe you don't have the great multipliers SNS gives to you, but it's not too shabby either. And way easier to gear. I swapped 3 pieces from my traditional Archon Gear (SoJ, Triumvirate with APoC and StormCrow for the APoC too).
Personally I'm using Explosive Blast, but because I don't smash the button. I use it only part-time, when the pack of white mobs is too big that would take a while to kill them all.
So, CMWW or SleetStorm ? SleetStorm, no questions asked. Easier to gear, easier to play, no RSI attached and big damage. If you pair it with Archon, you gain the damage reach and tankiness when necessary.
Sleetstorm maybe easier to use and more fun (subjective) but it doens't compare to CMWW. The crowd control and ease of CMWW on high mp is untouched. Now if you wanna just trash farm it may not be that different but if you go to a difficult area on mp10 and just farm elites (like vota), you'll notice the difference easily.
^^ @RasAlgheti, CMWW and it's variants (like SNS) are the most powerful builds for the wizards right now, no questions asked. Even for trash mobs, on higher MP's they may be better, and are almost a "must-have" on a group.
I don't discuss fun-factor, because that's subjective, we agree on that. Some people find Archon boring, some think it's fun. That's personal. (And just for the record, I never talked about fun on my earlier posts).
What I can affirm, is that SS is easier on the hands (no button-smashing needed) and indeed does a ton of DPS. And doesn't have a windup time. So, it's "insta-ton-dps".
I think the biggest difference between a top-notch SNS and a top-notch SS is the crowd control against ubers/single target elites.
^Yeah, dont get me wrong I tried SS, its a fun change of pace build. Its just too bad CMWW is so broken. I do hope they nerf it a bit, but still keep it a viable build.
PS: I have read tons of Sleet Storm threads and watched videos but I am still open to suggestions!
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Thanks!
Your DPS is fine for MP9, but your mitigation is still low. Try to aim to at least 89.5% mitigation, and change your storm armor to Energy Armor / Pinpoint Barrier. That will get your EHP to 430~EHP (with the zuni pox) and your mitigation on 89%, ready for MP10. With this
Your elite DPS is very nice (you have a good 6/27/5 SoJ) and this probably will keep you alive during elite fights on MP10.
Also, pinpoint barrier gives you another 5% critical chance, putting you on a nice 57.5% SleetStorm critical chance, which paired with critical mass reduces all cooldowns and procs APoC more often.
Although Shock Armor gives more DPS, my feeling is that the build is more solid with Pinpoint Barrier. The only downside is the -20 AP loss because Energy Armor.
EDIT: Also, consider changing the Helm or Wand for one with APoC. Only 8 is a little low, when facing single elites. On a pack of 5 mobs that's not a problem, but when facing a single yellow/blue champion things tend to get ugly, and you run out of AP fast.
Wizard | Demon Hunter
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The guy is obstinate! That's actually the 3rd Mara's Kaleidoscope he has and the second Skull Grasp. I've given him the first Skull Grasp he had, but it had Strength instead Intelligence, although a little more total crit chance (5CC + 5RoF).
On my point of view, If you don't have a SoJ, the Skull Grasp with the extra RoF CC is worth. More critical means more CM procs, with means less cooldown on everything, including APoC. The build works better.
Just for comparison, we play together, and he can easily out-DPS me on mobs and we can get par on elites, but my gear is more expensive than his. I use my Archon gear with 3 different pieces: StormCrow (on the place of a Mempo), Triumvirate with APoC and SoJ instead of a rare ring.
So, I have to run with 11 more APoC than him, and we have about the same AP consumption in-game. So, resuming, the extra RoF crit is nice, if you don't already have good items.
Wizard | Demon Hunter
The only DPS problem I have is when I'm on MP10, on a party with 4 against Extra-life elites, IF my partners are sub-par with my DPS.
When playing with DAC, for example, we can carry the whole party without a problem. Alone it takes more time.
Wizard | Demon Hunter
Not having to use explosive blast opens up the possibilities for some fun stuff (or simply familiar/magic weapon) and I'm looking for something that's a bit less RSI inducing.
First, the directions: There is a very nice build compendium on the official forums you can look, and inside the compendium you can see the two most popular Sleet Storm builds: 1h + Offhand original build and the variant that uses Blizzard plus Explosive Blast.
Now, my personal input: I've used CMWW before, and for quality of life there's absolutely no comparison: Sleet Storm is way better than CMWW for your life and hands.
For damage, sleet storm does a ton of it. Look at my Wiz: 180k sheet DPS that does effectively 713k unbuffed DPS. That's a nice number, on my view, capable of running MP8~9 without hesitation. (And just for record, fully buffed I achieve 980k DPS and abour 1250k DPS against elites).
Maybe you don't have the great multipliers SNS gives to you, but it's not too shabby either. And way easier to gear. I swapped 3 pieces from my traditional Archon Gear (SoJ, Triumvirate with APoC and StormCrow for the APoC too).
Personally I'm using Explosive Blast, but because I don't smash the button. I use it only part-time, when the pack of white mobs is too big that would take a while to kill them all.
So, CMWW or SleetStorm ? SleetStorm, no questions asked. Easier to gear, easier to play, no RSI attached and big damage. If you pair it with Archon, you gain the damage reach and tankiness when necessary.
Wizard | Demon Hunter
I don't discuss fun-factor, because that's subjective, we agree on that. Some people find Archon boring, some think it's fun. That's personal. (And just for the record, I never talked about fun on my earlier posts).
What I can affirm, is that SS is easier on the hands (no button-smashing needed) and indeed does a ton of DPS. And doesn't have a windup time. So, it's "insta-ton-dps".
I think the biggest difference between a top-notch SNS and a top-notch SS is the crowd control against ubers/single target elites.
Wizard | Demon Hunter