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I have a nice Mask of Jeram (MoJ): 98% pet damage, 6% crit chance and socket with the 12% cooldown reduction gem
I have a bad rolled Ring of Royal Grandeur (RoRG), a Tall Man's Finger (TMF), and a Stone of Jordan (SoJ) with cold damage (good for Jade).
I don't have Uhkapian Serpent (US), only Thing of the Deep (Totd) and Homunculus.
I only have a decent ThunderFury (TF), no Starmetal Kukri (SMK), no Rhen'ho Flayer, no Sunkeeper.
I only play solo and actually, I am doing fast Torment 3 bounties and rifts with the classic pet build.
I don't have the Tasker and Theo gloves, but with the TF, the MoJ, TMF and TotD, I go fast and smooth, and almost never die.
The thing is that I have the full Jade set, so I can go with the 6 pieces, or 5 with the RoRG, but I don't have Quetzalcoatl.
1. Is it possible to make an efficient jade build without the Quetzalcoatl, to farm Torment 4 or 5, at a good speed?
I think the worst thing is the cooldown of Soul Harvest. Lowering the 15 scs with passives (2 scs of Spirit Vessel and 3-5 scs for the kills of Grave Injustice) is it enough?
Maybe a nice helm with the 12% cooldown reduction gem and some cooldown reduction it some items...
2. Is it better to stick with pets and search for the TaT gloves?
I love the Fierce Loyalty passive, running at 155% walk speed for me is a must, and makes the gargantuan dog hits harder.
Depending of 1 or 2, i will spend my shards for Kadala in helms or gloves...
1- Never tried it, T5 should be no problem with solo and some good other gear. (Like Strongarm bonus + a good Sun Keeper etc) But T6 would not be efficient at all. Quetz doubles your damage.
You need at least %30 CDR. At least that's for me, I will try %45+ on greater rifts. CDR is required to break faces in T6 with serious speed.
2- Tasker is so hard to find. As same as you have other good gear, it may be tolerated. (Like a really good Magefist etc) But you will need it eventually.
You will probably get like 30-35 Quetz before you can get a single Tasker and Theo from Kadala. My suggestion, keep going with Jade and stash all useful pet items.
Yeah you have way better odds of getting a Quetz than TnT so you should go for jade build first.
I don't know why you've got a CDR gem for pet build though, it's nearly useless. A %life gem would help you live through higher torments which grant way more xp.
I have no survival problems in T3, so reducing the cooldown of the BBV and Gargantuan is more util for me than extra life...
I think I will stick with pets till I get the Quetz and maybe then give it a shot to Jade...
Why the last 2 people use Cain instead Jade in boots and pants? Is 8% IAS more useful than the 500 Int?
With the RoRg (I have not great belt) i am planning to go with 2 blackthorne, 2 Augild and 2 Jade, to get the 3 bonus of that sets. If Cain is better than Jade, I will change to Blackthorne, Augild, Cain...
Jade is faster by far so long as you have the damage to one shot everything (or in groups have EP monk to back up the burst, or 2 jade docs, etc..)
Pet doc is safer and easier (lower skill cap), and has better sustained damage. Jade can befrustratingwith Rift Guardians and whatnot as it is difficult to get soul harvest's cd low enough to keep you busy when there are no trash enemies to fuel grave injustice.
For me Jade is great for t6. I havnt been playing on PTR but I will probably be playing my pet doc more in greater rifts when they go live as I anticipate the build will be stronger due mostly to sustained damage vs. short potent bursts.
As for you, considering you currently have essentially a full pet build - TNT and a suspect jade set w/o quetzl, I'd stick with the pets. Or you can try timing yourself on solo t4 rifts, take average time of 5 runs in each gear set and find out for yourself what works better.
I like pet doc better, although I do have Hexxing Pants, Starmetal kukri. I pump out serious damage, if I can craft a hellfire amulet in 2.1 with Gruesome feast passive, its going to be crazy.
Fully buffed against elites, my super dog hits for 100mil, fetishes will hit 35mil. I've had 5 stacks of feast before they made super dog from Tallmans finger good which caused me to drop Gruesome feast and had fetishes hitting for 70mil a pop while the feast buff is on.
Pet doc can do some serious damage thats not in question. That said, I don't think those of you that think its *faster* than jade have played jade correctly.
I have good but not godly gear and my harvest does 0.5 billion damage off the bat w/ haunt and swarm. If im wearing harringtons and its procced, it goes well over 1b per cast. If im in a group with a variety of other buffs, i've seen it go over 2b per cast.
Keep in mind of youre rolling around bursting groups youre resetting your (already low) cooldowns constantly, and should have excellent uptime on spirit walk as well.
The issues as I see it are: at some point (above t6) your damage becomes incapable of efficiently triggering cd reduction from grave injustice and you end up sitting around doing not much waiting for harvest to come off cd. Additionally, I understand that in greater rifts the mob damage escalates quickly; optimizing jade gear doesn't leave a lot of room for survival stats and you're going to get one shot anytime youre not in spirit walk (and even 1 shot through it in you don't move fast enough.)
Pet doc has much better SUSTAINED damage which alleviates the issues with cdr and also substantially bettersuitability.
Pet doc can do some serious damage thats not in question. That said, I don't think those of you that think its *faster* than jade have played jade correctly.
I have good but not godly gear and my harvest does 0.5 billion damage off the bat w/ haunt and swarm. If im wearing harringtons and its procced, it goes well over 1b per cast. If im in a group with a variety of other buffs, i've seen it go over 2b per cast.
Keep in mind of youre rolling around bursting groups youre resetting your (already low) cooldowns constantly, and should have excellent uptime on spirit walk as well.
The issues as I see it are: at some point (above t6) your damage becomes incapable of efficiently triggering cd reduction from grave injustice and you end up sitting around doing not much waiting for harvest to come off cd. Additionally, I understand that in greater rifts the mob damage escalates quickly; optimizing jade gear doesn't leave a lot of room for survival stats and you're going to get one shot anytime youre not in spirit walk (and even 1 shot through it in you don't move fast enough.)
Pet doc has much better SUSTAINED damage which alleviates the issues with cdr and also substantially bettersuitability.
I think Jade has way better AoE but pet doc will rape Jade on single target rift guardians and there is no comparison. The problem with Jade is that you need to have density, pet doc doesn't. In G.rifts, it will come down to density for a Jade doc. Pet doc isn't near as good as jade in aoe situations.
Vs ubers, Pet doc is going to destroy Jade though, in high density rifts, Jade will always be better. If Blizzard buffs rift density in build 3 of 2.1 PTR, that is going to buff Jade a whole lot.
You don't benefit from Grave Injustice on single target fights unless it has adds. I think it evens out, I think Jade docs will move on to two-handers in 2.1.
I have a nice Mask of Jeram (MoJ): 98% pet damage, 6% crit chance and socket with the 12% cooldown reduction gem
I have a bad rolled Ring of Royal Grandeur (RoRG), a Tall Man's Finger (TMF), and a Stone of Jordan (SoJ) with cold damage (good for Jade).
I don't have Uhkapian Serpent (US), only Thing of the Deep (Totd) and Homunculus.
I only have a decent ThunderFury (TF), no Starmetal Kukri (SMK), no Rhen'ho Flayer, no Sunkeeper.
I only play solo and actually, I am doing fast Torment 3 bounties and rifts with the classic pet build.
I don't have the Tasker and Theo gloves, but with the TF, the MoJ, TMF and TotD, I go fast and smooth, and almost never die.
The thing is that I have the full Jade set, so I can go with the 6 pieces, or 5 with the RoRG, but I don't have Quetzalcoatl.
1. Is it possible to make an efficient jade build without the Quetzalcoatl, to farm Torment 4 or 5, at a good speed?
I think the worst thing is the cooldown of Soul Harvest. Lowering the 15 scs with passives (2 scs of Spirit Vessel and 3-5 scs for the kills of Grave Injustice) is it enough?
Maybe a nice helm with the 12% cooldown reduction gem and some cooldown reduction it some items...
2. Is it better to stick with pets and search for the TaT gloves?
I love the Fierce Loyalty passive, running at 155% walk speed for me is a must, and makes the gargantuan dog hits harder.
Depending of 1 or 2, i will spend my shards for Kadala in helms or gloves...
Thanks in advance!!!
You need at least %30 CDR. At least that's for me, I will try %45+ on greater rifts. CDR is required to break faces in T6 with serious speed.
2- Tasker is so hard to find. As same as you have other good gear, it may be tolerated. (Like a really good Magefist etc) But you will need it eventually.
You will probably get like 30-35 Quetz before you can get a single Tasker and Theo from Kadala. My suggestion, keep going with Jade and stash all useful pet items.
I don't know why you've got a CDR gem for pet build though, it's nearly useless. A %life gem would help you live through higher torments which grant way more xp.
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I think I will stick with pets till I get the Quetz and maybe then give it a shot to Jade...
Why the last 2 people use Cain instead Jade in boots and pants? Is 8% IAS more useful than the 500 Int?
With the RoRg (I have not great belt) i am planning to go with 2 blackthorne, 2 Augild and 2 Jade, to get the 3 bonus of that sets. If Cain is better than Jade, I will change to Blackthorne, Augild, Cain...
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Pet doc is safer and easier (lower skill cap), and has better sustained damage. Jade can befrustratingwith Rift Guardians and whatnot as it is difficult to get soul harvest's cd low enough to keep you busy when there are no trash enemies to fuel grave injustice.
For me Jade is great for t6. I havnt been playing on PTR but I will probably be playing my pet doc more in greater rifts when they go live as I anticipate the build will be stronger due mostly to sustained damage vs. short potent bursts.
As for you, considering you currently have essentially a full pet build - TNT and a suspect jade set w/o quetzl, I'd stick with the pets. Or you can try timing yourself on solo t4 rifts, take average time of 5 runs in each gear set and find out for yourself what works better.
I have Jade Doc but for faster farm, Wazecheian and Rechel's make me 160% moving speed.
I recommend Pet Build.
Fully buffed against elites, my super dog hits for 100mil, fetishes will hit 35mil. I've had 5 stacks of feast before they made super dog from Tallmans finger good which caused me to drop Gruesome feast and had fetishes hitting for 70mil a pop while the feast buff is on.
I have good but not godly gear and my harvest does 0.5 billion damage off the bat w/ haunt and swarm. If im wearing harringtons and its procced, it goes well over 1b per cast. If im in a group with a variety of other buffs, i've seen it go over 2b per cast.
Keep in mind of youre rolling around bursting groups youre resetting your (already low) cooldowns constantly, and should have excellent uptime on spirit walk as well.
The issues as I see it are: at some point (above t6) your damage becomes incapable of efficiently triggering cd reduction from grave injustice and you end up sitting around doing not much waiting for harvest to come off cd. Additionally, I understand that in greater rifts the mob damage escalates quickly; optimizing jade gear doesn't leave a lot of room for survival stats and you're going to get one shot anytime youre not in spirit walk (and even 1 shot through it in you don't move fast enough.)
Pet doc has much better SUSTAINED damage which alleviates the issues with cdr and also substantially bettersuitability.
Vs ubers, Pet doc is going to destroy Jade though, in high density rifts, Jade will always be better. If Blizzard buffs rift density in build 3 of 2.1 PTR, that is going to buff Jade a whole lot.
You don't benefit from Grave Injustice on single target fights unless it has adds. I think it evens out, I think Jade docs will move on to two-handers in 2.1.