It's time to update this cool build with stuff from 2.2! What's new?
- Rework to Zuni's bonus set: we need a spender in skill bar
- New pieces for Zuni's set: gloves and pants
The changes are really cool because the output damage got a very nice improvement and thanks to the 4p bonus we got a useful buff to our survivability which is cool considering how much we are exposed to elites affixes (no tiki, no party)
The build has a lot of potential and probably people will push it over GR57, average players can easily manage around GR50 which is fine compared to what was our GR range in 2.1!
So,I’ve tested a lot of spenders, like Grasp of the dead, Spirit Barrage (Phantasm) and Acid Could (acid rain)
Acid Rain PROS:
Our gameplay needs to be fast and versatile, we will never stand on a single spot for that long especially while fighting elites! 24 yards help us to debuff as many mobs as we can considering our darts will pierce! The absence of cooldown is very important as well and you will notice it once you try it... Darts don’t make enough damage without Zuni bonus proc. So better to keep it up all the time in all situations. Use it in case you run Enforcer over BotT
GotD PROS:
Grasp of the Dead is my favourite because i run BotT gem and has amazing sinergy with the build especially because i'm using the rune with lower CD (6 sec)
You have to keep in mind this:
The debuff from Zuni bonus will be active when the mob is in the area + 4 sec.
A little example: cast "acid cloud" on a lacuni
- Insta debuff on lacuni
- lacuni stands 2 sec in the area of acid rain, still debuffed
- lacuni jumps out of acid rain effect, it will be debuffed for the next 4 sec!
So basically the debuff will be over 4 seconds after the mob left the area of effect or your spender expired!
Once you know this, the gameplay is pretty much the same described in original post.
Any new items beside Zuni pieces?
Yes! The Convention of Elements is a brand new ring from 2.2 and it fits really fine in Carnevil! Feel free to use it once you are much more confident with your gameplay (you will remove Unity so watch out ^^)
Hey whazup guys, according to patch 2.1.2 patch notes all the fetishes now benefit from %Poison Dart affix, which is a great buff (fix) that allows us to theorycraft some new competitive stuff!
There are few things that i’d like to mention that maybe someone don’t know yet:
- You don’t need TnT gloves, because fetishes have OUR attack speed, so basically you are gonna put as IAS affix as you can to gain a lot of output dmg.
- Carnevil mask doesn’t consider which rune you are using, Fetishes will always shot Splinter Darts so POISON damage.
- Fetish Army will benefit from "%Fetish Army" + "%Poison Darts" + "%Poison"
- FS will benefit from "%Poison Darts" + "%Poison"
- When not spitting darts, fetishes will do melee/physical dmg
According to this information, I decided to spend some time on that build rather than more performing ones (jade first of all) because I believe Carnevil Doc has become a competitive build (not high like jade) considering the very short time you need to build it! The good part is that you don’t need damn rare Kukri, Furnace,TnT etc but the old Zuni and some crafted items (Cain + Aughild). Another very interesting point is that, thanks to Dagger of Darts, WD looks like is casting an AoE skill which, we all know, is one of wd biggest issue (spenders AoE are to weak and manaburn). As I said before, the build is focused on attack speed (IAS), that’s why we are going to craft Cain set rather than using Poison pants (Swamp land Waders) so we can keep %Poison Dart, gain 8% IAS (which is better than 20%Poison imho) and keep some vitality (useful for us and fetishes as well)
Our HP is going to be around 500k but that’s nothing to worry about thanks to our gem "Simplicity Strenght" which gives us some nice Life Steal (2% on hit), very nice with high IAS. Another thing very useful to keep in mind about this gem is that all our fetishes will benefit from its primary effect (huge buff). About gems, my favourite ones are Enforcer (more buff to pets) and Gogok (better FS proc rate)
If you have some general Stun on hit on your gear, Snake to the face + Gogok (an example of max ias) has more stun on hit proc rate than Splinters + Gogok even if is just 1 dart at time (around 47% vs 36%)
Fetish Army:
We are going for Legion of Daggers even if is a physical rune, because, as i said on top of the analysis, fetishes will be spitting poison darts
Wall of Zombie: We have 5 mandatory skills and 1 jolly skill. My favourite is WoZ (Wrecking Crew) because of the taunt effect that is very helpful while piranhado is on CD! It works with blue packs too and it is very useful to aggregate trash mobs in 1 point (like piranhado). So, basically with a good coordination of Spirit Walk, Piranhado and WoZ you will be in a safe position.
Useful passive skills are 5, so try to craft a nice Hellfire Amulet! I really like Tribal Rites on 40+ grifts because pets still die with the strongest mobs and some elite affixes (I think is better than using Jungle Fortitude). If you play T6 or lower grifts then Tribal Rites is not mandatory.
In short:
PROS
- Good alternative for 40s grifts
- "AoE" effect
- Easy to build
- Easy Ancient items
CONS:
- Some maps are unplayable
- Fetishes sometimes have bad positioning
- CD are long, basically you must not die
Yeah, reflect damage is a big pain But internal CD of that elite affix is not short, so basically just wait for it to finish and don't waste your Spirit Walk! need a bit practise and it will be easy to avoid!
Well done clearing 35 pre-patch
@Darials
yes! laurentiusiv gave you a good answer!
@jamesworkshop
You really need BBV for elite packs (90 CD with Tribal Rites is enough between fights) and, the most important thing, it makes you proc FS like crazy! As you can see in the video, sometime my Fetish Army dies fast but luckily i always have my BBV ready to proc brand new 15 Fetishes from the passive skill
nice analysis. it basically answers all my theory questions lol.
my problem is my dagger of darts is crap :< and carnevil is so-so. will give it a try later
how would you rank the legendary gems in order of priority ? ?
Kinda only have 1 socket slot atm. Working on my second
Gogok might be #1 because it gives you ias and cdr. The ias is technically a straight up dps buff for your fetishes and your attack rate for spawning more fetishes through the passive. And the cdr helps a lot with skills like phiranado etc...
Not sure if the ias you get from gogok stacks is added to the fetishes that have been already summoned but i think that it does not. It's probably like when you have max gogok stacks, fetishes spawned from psychophants will snapshot with that ias bonus (not sure so don't take my word for it). So also for FA, if it snapshots (and i think it does) then you'd want to re-cast it only when you have max gogok stacks.
Enforcer is simply a boost to your fetishes damage which is awesome. Simplicity's strength is a boost to your poison dart alone afaik so it might actually not be that good. the healing you get from it is quite nice though. I think it's possible to swap it for BOP if you can give up on the healing.
correct me if i am wrong but
no gogok ias snapshot from spawns, since FA and FS shoot with your own attack speed.
simplicity strength now boost FA FS poison dart as well
Btw i just cleared GR43 and i'll upload the video tomorrow morning! Dropped ancient DoD and got 400k dps!
Even if they shoot at your attack speed, the fetishes damage is determined when they spawn, according to your damage stats - and afaik, higher attack speed means higher pet damage. The fact that they shoot at your own speed does not negate the idea that they might be snapshotting your damage.
Also, even if simplicity boosts the fetishes damage gogok might still be better because of the cdr. But if it's Enforcer vs Simplicity then definitely Simplicity. Unless you think that the extra pet toughness the Enforcer gem provides is actually useful which it probably is but from my self experience FS spawn quite fast usually so it kinds of makes up for the dead fetishes...
Edit: Oh and gj on the 43 and thanks for the video. I see you got an ancient dagger now ^^ - The effectiveness of Simplicity's strength really shines when facing an RG like SK apparently...
well i played alot of time with a carnival build, its quiete fun.
i was just wondering if zeis stone will be a better choice for gogok, the as buff if you are up to 1.9 as each sec isn't that big and with 2.1.2 zeis stone looks working for all fetishes that shoots darts (correct me if im wrong, seeing these dmg differences on legendery gems isnt that easy)
my build was about 1.80 aps, i played with tasker which give extra dmg in bad situations, (yes sometimes the fetishes have to " autoattack " depending on map roll, waller etc.)
if my dagger would have rolled cold dmg i would go for frostburns. the cold dmg on weapon is enough to proc the effect of frosts, even if you use the poisn snake to the face rune -> gives a bit extra stun, like it or not ^^)
if anyone wanna farm some rifts later write pm or add me in bnet, playing on EU tag Schorsch88#2679
Fetishes spend most of their time inside zei's range, so that would be a bit a waste (at least vs elites where you move a lot and they get closer)
i prefer gogok perma 15 stacks which is a lot of more damage and FS proc rate + stun on hit very usefull vs yellows
30/4/15 UPDATE for 2.2 Patch!
GR56 Cleared!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMsvZuCdn-E
Build from diablofans tool: http://www.diablofans.com/builds/54200-carnevil-2-2-gr56-cleared-always-work-in-progress
It's time to update this cool build with stuff from 2.2! What's new?
- Rework to Zuni's bonus set: we need a spender in skill bar
- New pieces for Zuni's set: gloves and pants
The changes are really cool because the output damage got a very nice improvement and thanks to the 4p bonus we got a useful buff to our survivability which is cool considering how much we are exposed to elites affixes (no tiki, no party)
The build has a lot of potential and probably people will push it over GR57, average players can easily manage around GR50 which is fine compared to what was our GR range in 2.1!
So,I’ve tested a lot of spenders, like Grasp of the dead, Spirit Barrage (Phantasm) and Acid Could (acid rain)
Acid Rain PROS:
Our gameplay needs to be fast and versatile, we will never stand on a single spot for that long especially while fighting elites! 24 yards help us to debuff as many mobs as we can considering our darts will pierce! The absence of cooldown is very important as well and you will notice it once you try it... Darts don’t make enough damage without Zuni bonus proc. So better to keep it up all the time in all situations. Use it in case you run Enforcer over BotT
GotD PROS:
Grasp of the Dead is my favourite because i run BotT gem and has amazing sinergy with the build especially because i'm using the rune with lower CD (6 sec)
You have to keep in mind this:
The debuff from Zuni bonus will be active when the mob is in the area + 4 sec.
A little example: cast "acid cloud" on a lacuni
- Insta debuff on lacuni
- lacuni stands 2 sec in the area of acid rain, still debuffed
- lacuni jumps out of acid rain effect, it will be debuffed for the next 4 sec!
So basically the debuff will be over 4 seconds after the mob left the area of effect or your spender expired!
Once you know this, the gameplay is pretty much the same described in original post.
Any new items beside Zuni pieces?
Yes! The Convention of Elements is a brand new ring from 2.2 and it fits really fine in Carnevil! Feel free to use it once you are much more confident with your gameplay (you will remove Unity so watch out ^^)
My Follower:
- Solanium + Broken Promises for nice globes spawn (Gruesome Feast)
- a lot of IAS and CDR
- Ess of Johan mandatory
Well guys, that’s all, I’m gonna update this guide if I find out something new to share.
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GR53 Cleared!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2UCF7GbSMM
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ORIGINAL POST from 2.1.2
Hey whazup guys, according to patch 2.1.2 patch notes all the fetishes now benefit from %Poison Dart affix, which is a great buff (fix) that allows us to theorycraft some new competitive stuff!
There are few things that i’d like to mention that maybe someone don’t know yet:
- You don’t need TnT gloves, because fetishes have OUR attack speed, so basically you are gonna put as IAS affix as you can to gain a lot of output dmg.
- Carnevil mask doesn’t consider which rune you are using, Fetishes will always shot Splinter Darts so POISON damage.
- Fetish Army will benefit from "%Fetish Army" + "%Poison Darts" + "%Poison"
- FS will benefit from "%Poison Darts" + "%Poison"
- When not spitting darts, fetishes will do melee/physical dmg
According to this information, I decided to spend some time on that build rather than more performing ones (jade first of all) because I believe Carnevil Doc has become a competitive build (not high like jade) considering the very short time you need to build it! The good part is that you don’t need damn rare Kukri, Furnace,TnT etc but the old Zuni and some crafted items (Cain + Aughild). Another very interesting point is that, thanks to Dagger of Darts, WD looks like is casting an AoE skill which, we all know, is one of wd biggest issue (spenders AoE are to weak and manaburn). As I said before, the build is focused on attack speed (IAS), that’s why we are going to craft Cain set rather than using Poison pants (Swamp land Waders) so we can keep %Poison Dart, gain 8% IAS (which is better than 20%Poison imho) and keep some vitality (useful for us and fetishes as well)
Our HP is going to be around 500k but that’s nothing to worry about thanks to our gem "Simplicity Strenght" which gives us some nice Life Steal (2% on hit), very nice with high IAS. Another thing very useful to keep in mind about this gem is that all our fetishes will benefit from its primary effect (huge buff). About gems, my favourite ones are Enforcer (more buff to pets) and Gogok (better FS proc rate)
Skills I suggest:
Build: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#aQlUkP!VWhe!cbbaYb I’d like to spend some words on some skills:
Poison Dart:
If you have some general Stun on hit on your gear, Snake to the face + Gogok (an example of max ias) has more stun on hit proc rate than Splinters + Gogok even if is just 1 dart at time (around 47% vs 36%)
Fetish Army:
We are going for Legion of Daggers even if is a physical rune, because, as i said on top of the analysis, fetishes will be spitting poison darts
Wall of Zombie: We have 5 mandatory skills and 1 jolly skill. My favourite is WoZ (Wrecking Crew) because of the taunt effect that is very helpful while piranhado is on CD! It works with blue packs too and it is very useful to aggregate trash mobs in 1 point (like piranhado). So, basically with a good coordination of Spirit Walk, Piranhado and WoZ you will be in a safe position.
Useful passive skills are 5, so try to craft a nice Hellfire Amulet! I really like Tribal Rites on 40+ grifts because pets still die with the strongest mobs and some elite affixes (I think is better than using Jungle Fortitude). If you play T6 or lower grifts then Tribal Rites is not mandatory.
In short:
PROS
- Good alternative for 40s grifts
- "AoE" effect
- Easy to build
- Easy Ancient items
CONS:
- Some maps are unplayable
- Fetishes sometimes have bad positioning
- CD are long, basically you must not die
That’s a video of me clearing Grift 42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTYzlb8HYiM
(in the video description will find a link to my armory) So what’s your thoughts about new Carnevil? Cya in game, guys!
Alex "OraK", ZE clan
http://zeroempathy.net/
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
i'll try to give an answer to every question
@laurentiusiv
Yeah, reflect damage is a big pain But internal CD of that elite affix is not short, so basically just wait for it to finish and don't waste your Spirit Walk! need a bit practise and it will be easy to avoid!
Well done clearing 35 pre-patch
@Darials
yes! laurentiusiv gave you a good answer!
@jamesworkshop
You really need BBV for elite packs (90 CD with Tribal Rites is enough between fights) and, the most important thing, it makes you proc FS like crazy! As you can see in the video, sometime my Fetish Army dies fast but luckily i always have my BBV ready to proc brand new 15 Fetishes from the passive skill
@Jamoose
gl
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
I really want to try this thing. Looks really fun and i cant stand the Jade doctor playstyle.
Keep up the good work
damn orEk xD dat wannabe
@Glowpipe
here you are
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/26286-carnevil-2-1-2-gr42-cleared
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
my problem is my dagger of darts is crap :< and carnevil is so-so. will give it a try later
That's why i switched to pink potion
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
Kinda only have 1 socket slot atm. Working on my second
Not sure if the ias you get from gogok stacks is added to the fetishes that have been already summoned but i think that it does not. It's probably like when you have max gogok stacks, fetishes spawned from psychophants will snapshot with that ias bonus (not sure so don't take my word for it). So also for FA, if it snapshots (and i think it does) then you'd want to re-cast it only when you have max gogok stacks.
Enforcer is simply a boost to your fetishes damage which is awesome. Simplicity's strength is a boost to your poison dart alone afaik so it might actually not be that good. the healing you get from it is quite nice though. I think it's possible to swap it for BOP if you can give up on the healing.
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Btw i just cleared GR43 and i'll upload the video tomorrow morning! Dropped ancient DoD and got 400k dps!
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
I assume it does since looking at your armory, you leveled it up to quite a high rank.
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I updated the OP with the link to GR43! Have fun
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My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
Even if they shoot at your attack speed, the fetishes damage is determined when they spawn, according to your damage stats - and afaik, higher attack speed means higher pet damage. The fact that they shoot at your own speed does not negate the idea that they might be snapshotting your damage.
Also, even if simplicity boosts the fetishes damage gogok might still be better because of the cdr. But if it's Enforcer vs Simplicity then definitely Simplicity. Unless you think that the extra pet toughness the Enforcer gem provides is actually useful which it probably is but from my self experience FS spawn quite fast usually so it kinds of makes up for the dead fetishes...
Edit: Oh and gj on the 43 and thanks for the video. I see you got an ancient dagger now ^^ - The effectiveness of Simplicity's strength really shines when facing an RG like SK apparently...
My D3 armory
My Youtube Channel
i prefer gogok perma 15 stacks which is a lot of more damage and FS proc rate + stun on hit very usefull vs yellows
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man
www.zeroempathy.net (EU)
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhcpLBbZeLwilfRVHA0eZA
Era 3 - NS, #1 Solo WD
Era 2 - NS, #1 4man, #5 2man, #7 Solo WD
Era 1 - NS, #3 2man