But some of us are greedy and want to use both, combining Sweep Attack for AoE and Shield Bash for single target by abusing piro mirella and Golden Flense to get the best of both worlds.
Combine that with a new (non shield) armor that increases the damage of Sweep attack and you're golden.
Sadly that's not an option :p
Moreover, I'd really like if they've changed Drakon's bracers so it worked with Sweep too - then Sweep becomes usable (and even deadly) both against boss and groups. Would be nice if they've moved Sweep bonus from that damn old ugly shield to a brand-new belt instead of different "goodies" like omni-slash or belt of hammers (which noone uses at all now if we're speaking about GR progression).
Hang on to pieces with optimal rolls. As far as clear times go I think the idea is to have the sets be roughly equal, Condemn being faster for trash and Rolands for the RG, pylons notwithstanding.
One thing that needs desperate attention are the animations of shield bash/punish and how those imputs respond when you've got the set bonus stacked to max.
It is as though the game gets stuck bashing, if you hold down bash for any amount of time it can flat out prevent the use of other abilities, this isn't anything new but tonight I was noticing that when I stopped holding bash it took a moment for anything else to become available, as though the attacks were in a q. Which would make sense with the buff, hold down bash for x amount of seconds the game calculates an amount of attacks that should be performed and proceeds, however it prevents defensive skills/generators from functioning properly.
I haven't found the new shield yet on PTR and not super motivated to find it.
so are the new Roland set and bracers and what not just not worth going after? If I've got a semi decent Condemn set is it better just to stick with that?
New Rolands set outperforms Akkhan by quite a large margin.
I was really hoping that they wouldn't go with their plan of adding stacking % dmg onto a shield but alas they did and well I don't want to say it's completely useless without trying, but it's probably completely useless.
The devs apparently want to create a play-style where you use Rolands in this exact fashion
- Sweep Attack for AOE
- Shield Bash for STD
My suggestion was to re-design golden fleanse to give a damage buff so it would be competitive with other Roland viable weapons (Blood Brothers/Furnace to name two).
Make the Sweep Attack shield unlock all Sweep Attack runes and re-design the last rune to be something along the lines of generate 5 wrath per attack and 2-3 additional per target hit.
The current last rune and lightning rune both do pretty much the exact same thing, one freezes 100% and the other stuns 50%.
They will never achieve what they want out of Rolands unless Sweep Attack is turned into a useful utility (unlock runes giving stun/gather/loh/wrath) with an AOE damage buff along the lines of what they did.
Otherwise it's always going to be superior to just go flat out Shield Bash.
But you know, maybe they'll play the set one day and realize that the way their itemization is currently setup for the Crusader class, it makes no sense to give up the shield slot and the weapon slot to make a useless skill do useless aoe damage.
nothing will beat a pure fire shield bash build until they put Denial affix on a belt slot or golden flence to make up for the lost of piro marella and the wrath refund nerf on the bracer. I've tried going 5 piece + cindercoat + RORG and I was still having wrath issue on single target . =/
The following items are intended to be Seasonal only for Season 3. Note that not everything on this list is currently flagged as a Season 3 item at this time. This is a bug and should be fixed in a future PTR patch:
Dead Man's Legacy (rework)
Dread Iron (rework)
Obsidian Ring of the Zodiac (rework)
Hammer Belt (Placeholder Name)
Little Man's Finger
Iceblink (Legendary gem)
Mutilation Guard (Legendary gem)
Bottomless Potion of Amplification
Messed around with rolands on the PTR, it felt like I was seriously lacking in survivability despite keeping iron skin up with pretty good uptime, even on lower GR's (35ish). I've got really solid rolands gear too, 3/6 ancients, an ancient piro, etc. The damage felt like it was there and fantastic, but I was just having trouble staying alive.
Anyone else have experiences like this or advice on it?
yes i can confirm its WAY better than barbarians now!!!
tested last night (first day on 2.2)
with 6pc of rolands
golden flense + hellscull (waiting for the denial)
and the result is that everything melts IN ONE HIT ONLY!
gems used : bane of the trapped+pain enhancer+toxin
with no perfect gear (all items of Roland are NOT ancients)
i managed to do some t6 very fast rifts...
i will test more during weekend...hope to find some better gear and ancient stuff!!!!!!!
Everything melts with one hit on t6, even those play your way shitty builds can do t6. The thing is if a set/build is viable above GR50. Glad that you enjoy it but you cant really compare it and say that X is better than Y from clearing the new normal mode that t6 has become.
For now Crusader is a bit behind on the GR leaderboards but not by far. Patch is still fresh so we prolly have to w8 till next week to be able to see how things are performing ( talking for non-season here cause for s3 is going to be really early to judge ) .
After trying out various Shield Bash builds Is it just me or are the Shield Bash bracers (Drakon's Lesson) designed for not solo pushing Greater Rifts?
With the latest patches increasing density in rifts makes it a nightmare to be using Shield Bash at GR48+ when all the white monsters are crowding together on you making your damage pretty much non existent due to the bracers becoming completely useless in most cases besides RG.
That "When you hit 3 or less enemies" really has to go.